Linux-Misc Digest #607, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Mar 99 02:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: No module off found for kernel 2.2.3? (Jack Bowling)
Re: How to load a different MIB on Linux when .... (Glen Turner)
Re: Catch MicroSoft napping. (Steve Thompson)
Re: Names to call Windows... (Jeffrey L Straszheim)
Re: System locks when I play mp3s (Cai Yu)
newbie modem (Patricio Ortiz)
Re: microsoft bus mouse ("Nick H")
Re: Gimp compilation ("Spud")
Re: yet another GNOME install question .. gotta sec? ("Spud")
Re: LILO (Mike Freitas)
Re: CDROM that requires Win98? (Scott Alfter)
Re: FS: LinuxRules.com ("GV Morgon")
Re: Copy file is too large (Christopher Michael Jones)
How much RAM is enough? (Matt Eckhaus)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Rod Prather)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Brian Barjenbruch)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Bowling)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No module off found for kernel 2.2.3?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:25:28 GMT
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:05:08 -0600, Matthew Callaway wrote:
>What does this mean?
>
>I'm trying to make a kernel ram disk image via:
>
> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.3.img 2.2.3
>
>and I get the error
>
>"No module off found for kernel 2.2.3"
>
>What's happening?
My guess is that you compiled scsi support into the kernel instead of as a
module (as you should in my opinion). Thus, when mkinitrd goes to
/modules/2.2.3 to look for the scsi module
for your card, it can't find it and is letting you know.
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Jack Bowling
Prince George, BC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:14:46 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: How to load a different MIB on Linux when ....
toxo wrote:
>
> How to load a different MIB on Linux when using CMU SNMP.
> There is the mib.txt file in /etc/ or /usr/lib, but what to do when I want
> to check out SpanningTree Parameters??? I need the BridgeMIB (rfc 1493) ...
> ok, I could delete the mib.txt and put the bridge-mib there and name it
> mib.txt, but then i cannot get other snmp-parameters. Is it possible to let
> the snmpd load several MIbs I need, so I can get Information ion different
> things???
RTFM. man snmpcmd and look at the MIBS variable, and the
-m and -M options.
IMHO, if you are writing non-trivial SNMP-intensive
applications, then a look at the Scotty library for Tcl
is worthwhile.
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Catch MicroSoft napping.
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:18:16 +0000
Stirling Hamersley wrote:
>
> Do we see in linux a revolution in computing similar to the internet, in
> terms of the rapid expansion leading to wide acceptance?
>
> And is now the time we will see a reduction of dominance by MicroSoft?
I seriously doubt it!
[snippage]
>
> Will Linux be able to develop enough to be "accepted" as "user
> friendly". If it can and MicroSoft try to rush out Windoze 2000 before
> it is ready who knows what will happen.
Microsoft operating systems are intended to be for users who know
nothing, or at least, very little about , dare I say "computing". They
have their NT product which is supposed to be one of the top server OS'
on the market but both you and I know that if you get 50 users on a NT
box that baby's gonna buckle, where you could put that many users on a
Linux box and it'll keep chuggin right a long. On a 486 no less. They
have these certified NT engineers touting that NT is the next best thing
to sliced bread, but all they know how to do is open up the control
panel and click on the system icon. I personally don't use Microsoft
products but I don't believe they'll go away or even slow down in
production. Just because Linux is gaining in popularity doesn't mean
Microsoft is going to fall by the wayside or buckle. It's times like
these that Microsoft pulls out their cash and does major "Hype
Marketing". Unfortunately, that's what sells in the majority of the
computer industry.
On the other side of the coin we have Linux who's users are, generally,
a bit more experienced people. When I say "computing" I mean not just
using the computer as an appliance. Unfortunately, when your grandmother
wants to write a simple letter I don't think she's going to be willing
to crank up the ol Linux box, but it is getting better. Linux *is*
however, making some major strides with things like the gnome project
and Open Step. I for one would like to see Linux pull ahead in the race
but it wont happen this year.
Can it be developed enough to be accepted. Sure, but to what kind of
users? One's who want to use it as an appliance, or ones that want to do
*real* computing? For me, it won't go away. I've been using Linux since
1994 and wouldn't have it any other way. But then again my first
experience with major computing was on a Sun Workstation.
Just my .02,
Steve
>
> Nothing lasts forever.
>
> Stirling.
>
> --
>
> (Please remove 'spamfree.' from the reply address. Sorry for the
> inconvenience)
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From: Jeffrey L Straszheim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Names to call Windows...
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:33:13 -0500
Donn Miller wrote:
<snip>
> Sure, that's what they all say. Admit it -- you think Windows RULES!! You
> want to start a web site called windowsrocks.com. You probably have a giant
> autographed poster of Bill hanging on your wal! :)
Oh dear!! You've been in my room :)
> Ok, just to be fair, I'll let the cat out of the bag... I think Windows 98 has
> some advantages over UNIX-type OSes... nice integration of the OS with the
> GUI. I think Charles Petzold and his "Programming Windows" series rules!
I agree that, at a certain level, Win32's handing of GUI
tasks is way ahead of X's. Handling colors, for instance,
is one area where Win32 is way ahead, and the fonts
(which you mentioned in your posting) is another. On the
flip side, X's handling of client/server is way ahead of
Windows' (The inherent assumptions that Win32 will be
talking to a GUI locally makes the citrix/terminal server
protocols inherently inefficient).
This being said, the close integration between the GUI and the
remainder of the system can be a severe disadvantage,
especially for server frameworks. For instance, the
Windows RPC mechanism requires that the app have a USER.DLL
style message loop (it uses a thread blocked in the loop for
servicing the RPC requests). Why is this bad? Because USER.DLL
runs in user mode and can crash. On 95/98 it can crash very easily
(the Win16 mutex is one way, there are others). Never mind how
fragile this makes DCOM.
Now, to be honest I haven't done RPC programming on Linux and
am not familiar with its mechanisms, but I feel safe in assuming
it doesn't require an X windows message loop. In fact, an RPC
server is likely to be run on a machine without X at all, and even with
X it would be very unlikely for a crash in X to bring the RPC down.
So where does this leave us? In my mind the Linux/FBSD/etc.
style architecture should be the winner, particularly in
the server arena. Ultimately, even on the desktop--after all,
application designers will learn to work around X's inherent
font and color problems, and eventually there will be a
next version of X that, perhaps, will have a solution built
in. I know more than a few secrataries that would kill
their boss if they learned of a platform where Word Perfect
wouldn't lock up and then learned that he (or she--bosses
can be she's) chose not to buy it.
<snip>
--
--Jeffrey Straszheim
---Systems Engineer, Programmer
----stimuli AT shadow DOT net
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From: Cai Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System locks when I play mp3s
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:27:52 +0800
Hi :
I have met this problem also . I worked on AMD K6-233 / ESS 1868 PnP sound card
, and it can worked in RedHat 5.1 .
!! When I installed kernel 2.0.34 back under Redhat 5.2 , it works again !
I am not sure whether it can work under kernel >=2.2.0 .
Does anyone have other solution ? This problem pop a lot in last month , I can't
found other solution .
Regards/Cai
RabbidRabbit wrote:
>
> I'm new to Linux and this is really starting to piss me off. My system locks
> up any time that I play mp3s.I can hear cds and sometimes there is sound from
> some games. I can click on the wave files that come with REDHAT 5.2 and they
> come through fine. Any time that I play and mp3 on turn on the extra bells
> and whistles I'll hear for a while, but then my system locks up solid. Now I
> can't even startx because my start up noise locks my system. Other than this
> I love Linux, but this is drivening me mad!!! Please help...and thanks in
> advance.
>
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From: Patricio Ortiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie modem
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:08:23 -0600
i don't know how to configure my modem is a genius internal 33.6 pnp
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From: "Nick H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: microsoft bus mouse
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:43:36 -0800
I am having the same problem... here are some post that I have found to be
of use:
eberally speaking, and assuming your mouse is actually working, is
hooked up properly, and you've the correct protocol selected for it, there
are three ways to get the mouse to actually work in X:
1) You can kill gpm with (as root) gpm -k (or killall gpm), then
start your X session as normal. For many reasons, this is not an optimal
solution;
or 2) you can edit the file /etc/rc.d/rc.local (from which gpm is
started), remove the -R flag, reboot, and restart your X session (this is
what I've done);
or 3) if there is an -R flag present in the gpm cmd line, you can
leave it and edit the file /etc/XF86Config, paying attn to the section
dealing with the Pointer device, as shown below:
[segment of my /etc/XF86Config]
# **********************************************************************
# Pointer section
# **********************************************************************
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "Microsoft"
Device "/dev/mouse"
See the line dealing with 'Device?' Change that from /dev/mouse to
/dev/gpmdata, save and restart X. (This is actually the preferred method,
although #2 works as well.)
What's happening is gpm (which is more of a daemon than not)
intercepts all mouse movement events and sends them to the file /dev/mouse,
EXCEPT when the -R flag is present, when it sends them to /dev/gpmdata. The
X config file (/etc/XF86Config) tells X to look for mouse movement events in
/dev/mouse -- but they are being put in /dev/gpmdata and since the X server
doesn't know to look there, well.. It makes no difference what kind of
pointer device you have -- serial, bus, ps/2, or whatever.
>From man gpm:
-R Causes gpm to act as a repeater: any mouse data
received while in graphic mode will be produced on
the fifo /dev/gpmdata ... .
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The text-site of things is dealt with by the "gpm" program, called on boot
by
the /etc/rc.d/rc.local script. Check that script and make sure the switches
to
the gpm program do *NOT* include the -R switch. That's the most common
problem
with mice under X. My PS2 logitech works just fine, so PS2 under X can't be
the
problem.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bart Buelens wrote:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > just installed red hat linux 5.2 on my intel pentium, but have troubles
> > configuring my x server and mouse. I have a microsoft bus mouse, I can
start
> > x but the mouse pointer on the screen doesn't move as I move the mouse!
i.e.
> > like if x doesn't see my mouse
> >
> > any ideas how to solve this problem?
> > ... except from buying a decent mouse ;-)
> >
> > cheers,
> > bart
>
> I had the same problem and I solved it by using a serial mouse.
>
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gimp compilation
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:50:39 GMT
Please provide us with the exact error message.
>Please excuse this if it is a silly question . . . but I am attempting to
>compile the Gimp v.1.1.3 on my linux box and am haveing no luck. When I
run
>autogen.sh, I get a non terminating error that ./po/Makefile.in.in doesn't
>exist and then continues on. The real problem is that when I do make all,
the
>compiler exits with and error 1 and error 2.
>
>Is there anyone out there that can help me?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Michael S. Chajkowski, B.Sc, B.Ed
>Systems Analyst
>
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: yet another GNOME install question .. gotta sec?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:49:45 GMT
Running Enlightenment? You need to change your default wm if you are
gonna use gnome-session. in {prefix}/share/gnome/default.session and
default.wm, change icewm to enlightenment, and make sure enlightenment is in
your path. If you are using a gnome-core earlier than 1.0.3 (i think), the
offending files are in {prefix}/share. If that still gives you problems,
copy default.session to ~/.gnome/session.
>Hello ..
>
>I would appreciate a hand troubleshooting the following core dump .. Can
>someone help me out? Here's the error I get when doing "gnome-session"
from
>my shell prompt.
>
>SESSION_MANAGER=local/aristotle:/tmp/.ICE-unix/4210,tcp/aristotle:3040
>Priority 00 : Starting Id = default0
>Priority 00 : Cloning Id = default0
>Priority 00 : Registering Id = (null)
>Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>[me@host]# ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 4213, errno
= 2
>
>This is from an xterm prompt, with Enlightenment 0.15-4 running as my wm.
>I've been trying to install GNome 1.0 (with the updated 1.0.3 libs,core,
>etc.) - WITHOUT doing a rpm -Uvh * (which an absolutely ridiculous solution
>for installation IMHO).
>
>Without enlightment running .. Gtk complains that it can't open the
display.
>That is, #gnome-session from the console...
>
>Incidently, does anyone have a tree diagram or some such thing showing the
>definitive requirements for Gnome from the ground up? Figuring this out is
>insanity. There are deps upon deps upon deps, which are in README after
>README .. what's going on here? Gnome looks great, but I'm starting to
think
>it's simply a red herring project by KDE so we'll all switch .. ;)
>
>I had 0.99 running from Redhat's discs .. but a scratch 1.0.3 install is
>proving a little more difficult.
>
>Thanks for any help, pls. email it .. Cheers..
>
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From: Mike Freitas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LILO
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:59:49 -0800
Matthew Callaway wrote:
>
> Give some more details. What is the tertiary IDE? A Zip drive? Another hard
> drive? Where do you put LILO? On the MBR or the first cylinder of the
> partition?
>
> LILO cannot see past the 1024th cylinder, so for a partition on a big drive, you
> must make sure to put LILO on the MBR, or have the Linux partition being before
> the 1024th cylinder.
>
> If it's removable, like Jaz or Zip drive, then you probably have to specify some
> options upon boot. I've never used these, but there are Howto's for them.
>
> Matt
Is the linux partition tagged as active or bootable? It should be.
Sometimes adding the word 'linear' as the first line in /etc/lilo.conf
and then running 'lilo' will correct the problem.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: CDROM that requires Win98?
Date: 25 Mar 1999 20:30:31 -0800
In article <7ddv5c$lg9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've seen sillier. Plug'n'Play mousemats, anyone?
>>
>> They were next to the ordinary mousemats, and were identical, apart from the
>> higher price tag!
>
>Isn't this fraud?
It's not fraud, but it is proof that P.T. Barnum was right. :-)
("Internet-ready" UPSes and "Win95-compatible" surge suppressors fall into
the same category. Don't ask me what makes 'em Internet-ready or
Win95-compatible. I suspect that the people who come up with these
marketing nuggets are the same ones who sell $100 power cords to the
audiophoole^H^H^H^Hile crowd on the premise that their particular cord will
somehow make your stereo sound better.)
_/_
/ v \
(IIGS( Scott Alfter (salfter at (bitte keine Spam) delphi dot com)
\_^_/ http://people.delphi.com/salfter
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From: "GV Morgon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: FS: LinuxRules.com
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:47:11 -0800
Hah! There is even a reserve bid price. I wonder if this guy went to one
of those how to make money on the net seminars and is hoping to make money
on domain name registration. It doesn't work.
GV Morgon
--
--When replying, remove "RemoveThis" from email address--
Paul Anderson wrote in message <7d61dn$ul$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Ross Peterson) writes:
>
>>The domain linuxrules.com
>>
>Who'd be looney enough to pay $1,000 for a domain name?! Yife, if I was
that
>dedicated to having something like linuxrules.com, I'd register
>linuxrules.net. Add a hyphen, and you've got free .org and .net domains
that
>you can register for $70 per.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Jones)
Subject: Re: Copy file is too large
Date: 26 Mar 1999 06:20:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was trying to print a file from acrobat ( about 200 pages ) and when it had
> gone through all the pages it returned the message " copy file too large".
> When I checked the /tmp directory I saw a 100M temporary file that was
> apparently generated by the program. Why is the file too large, and what can
> I do to print my file.
I would just print the file one section at a time (~20 pgs).
--
============================================================
Chris Jones
My Web Page - "http://www.cs.uoregon.edu/~cjones/web/"
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From: Matt Eckhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How much RAM is enough?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:41:25 +1100
Hi
I'm buying a laptop to run Linux. I'm thinking of getting one of those
nice Sharp ultraportables - there's only one problem: it has 64Mb of
RAM, which is not upgradeable - it's hardwired to the motherboard. It's
a pentium 266Mhz (not a pentium II), which seems alright, but 64Mb of
RAM seems a bit slim for Linux these days.
I'm not going to be running the Gimp or anything like that, but I'm not
sure if 64Mb is even going to cut it with the new generation of desktop
software (KDE, Applix etc), which I would like to be able to run.
So I'm soliciting opinions - is 64Mb of RAM enough for Linux these days?
I'd like to be using this computer for at least the next two years.
Any opinions/suggestions/flames welcomed.
Matt
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From: Rod Prather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:30:22 -0500
Without trying to deflate anyone, I just want to make a comment. This is my
second go around with Linux. I've been working around micros and PCs for over 20
years. Linux kicks my butt every time. Some releases are getting better and
booting perfect machines without a great deal of problems. Many programs still
make me loose my hair over the most mediocre problems that should have been
properly resolved earlier.
Can you imagine how a non geeko type sees this monster. Instead of the program
files having friendly names like Word and PageMaker they have cryptic acronyms
like abcdp and kikme and xxtoo (kidding, just examples). Many of the Program
names barely describe the function of the program and would just as likely be a
derivative of the progammers dog's name. The mnemonics of linux are terrible and
the global definitions of instruction syntax is terrible. The kernal makes DOS
look like a walk in the park and at every turn theres another demon waiting to
take your head. Sorry, not until the average joe can set up and configure this
package in a reasonable manner, in a reasonable amount of time, on 90% of machines
will Linux become the desk OS of choice. That is going to take a lot more support
from the hardware manufacturers to dev linux drivers at the same time they write
the windoze drivers.
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From: Brian Barjenbruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:45:06 GMT
> Can you imagine how a non geeko type sees this monster. Instead of the
> program
> files having friendly names like Word and PageMaker they have cryptic acronyms
> like abcdp and kikme and xxtoo (kidding, just examples). Many of the Program
> names barely describe the function of the program and would just as likely be
> a
> derivative of the progammers dog's name. The mnemonics of linux are
> terrible and
> the global definitions of instruction syntax is terrible. The kernal makes
> DOS
> look like a walk in the park and at every turn theres another demon waiting to
> take your head. Sorry, not until the average joe can set up and configure
> this
> package in a reasonable manner, in a reasonable amount of time, on 90% of
> machines
> will Linux become the desk OS of choice. That is going to take a lot more
> support
> from the hardware manufacturers to dev linux drivers at the same time they write
> the windoze drivers.
Agreed.
Look, I'm sorry if any Linux veterans who happen to be reading this,
are disappointed. And I have definitely tried my best, to understand
all that I can about Linux and how to use and configure it. I'm not
the clueless newbie that most people think. But even so, I find that I
have been very confused; answers that seem very obvious to most
veterans, are incomprehensible to me. I have tried, but I can't seem
to get my mind behind it. Is this so unusual? From what I have read,
Linux is near to the Second Coming of Christ, you'd think that it was
the best thing in operating systems since sliced frickin' bread. But
the simple fact is, it's just too damned HARD to figure out for the
average user. Is this so wrong? Is it so bad to consider the fact
that Linux just might not be for EVERYONE? Why the hell should I bust
my brains out trying to understand Linux, when I am perfectly happy
with the Mac OS, which does everything I need it to do? If I wasn't
constantly having the name 'Linux' forced down my throat, I would
probably have a lot less frustration. No one can force me to use
Linux. Why should they try?
--
"Its origin and purpose...still a total mystery."
- Dr. Heywood Floyd, "2001: A Space Odyssey"
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