Re: Daily Meditation (Som)

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>Bob: Why should I try to improve it? I would say I >am learning about it every time I play it. I am still >not concerned with "best". I am concerned with >the joy of learning. And so I learn each time I play. >Isn't that enough? Som: What is enough for you will vary depending upon what you think is the best for you. So, if you think that "being concerned with learning" is enough for you, that, by definition, is what you consider to be the best for yourself. Bob: There it is again: This pushing off your beliefs as the content or basis of my or another's actions. It is your belief that I have some idea about what is best for me. Listen. "The quest of the best",  is a BELIEF, your belief. It is not some inherent, univer- sal given which necessarily motivates all human action. Can you at least see that your behavioral theories are not absolute truth for all human be- ings? >Bob: That is not what you said originally. >Yesterday you said, "We do our best by >comparing with our own selves....." You >said nothing about discordant notes and >harmony. However, it is the same thing. >I don't compare disharmony with harmony. >I merely mis-take the notes being played. >Next time, I play it differently, according to >what is written on the page. I don't com- >pare what I'm doing now with what I did >before. Som: To each according to what suits them most. bob: Thank you. Now if you could only perceive the truth of that as you are making definitive statements about the sources of the actions of others..... >What good would that do? Improve- >ment is psychological, a belief based on >the notion that there is a connection in >time between what you did before and >what you are doing now. Som: Even if I do not compare this with what the old man said about comparison, it sounds familiar. :-) Bob: I'm not concerned with the old man. He's dead. Most anything can sound familiar, because just about everything that can be said has been said by somebody, somewhere, at sometime. Look at it for yourself. Isn't the desire for improvement a projection of some resurrected memory or belief that what you did before was inappro- priate or wanting? You see, there isn't time for that when you are fully involved in either the playing of a song or in living life. ---------------   What Krishnamurti said about comparison (and which you are restating without acknowledging the source) is something different. Bob: Now you are defining my words as having a K origin. It seems that the idea of K dominates you and makes you see K speaking through others whe- ther that is happening or not. And you even go fur- ther and declare that they are not acknowledging your belief about the source of their words. There is a serious problem of control operating here. -------------- Krishnamurti said that improvement (in the sense that I am someone and I will be someone else) is a movement of time (as desire) and hence is the same same. Bob: I am not concerned with what K said! I am concerned with living; and to live I have to see things for myself. I am not a K apolo- gist, neither am I concerned with arguing with you, the meaning of his words. ------------------ He is very clear about learning skills, which definitely are movements in time, and are subject to the laws of improvement. Bob: So now improvement has become a "law" which K was "very clear about". Really? Can you see the absurdity of such an unfounded, unpro- vable statement? And can you see how you are now wildly, with abandon,  interpreting K's words as you wish to see them? ------------ The mistake that you seem to be making (of confusing two different issues) is commonly made by quite a few  K readers, and I try to point it out to them whenever possible. Bob: There it is once again: You, Som, the interpreter of K who sits on the K-seat and "points out" who are and are not understanding K's words correctly. It is going to take a LOT of attention for you to break through this one. >There is no such >connection in reality. Each instance of play- >ing is entirely original. Som: Please see the above paragraph. Bob: Why? The above paragraph has serious problems of self-deception. Why would I want to read it twice?