I've just spent all weekend scouring the web for controls that allow you to work with documents (ie: ones that allow you to annotate and then redact documents). Most of these controls are Java-based today. I'd love to see third parties start to step up in that space for sure :)
I guess that there's a lot of distance for Silverlight to catch up in the web controls market for sure! Regards, Darren Neimke Readify | Head of Innovation ASP.NET MVP, MCAD Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 439 855 046 | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Blog: http://neimke.spaces.live.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 9:08 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? An area of the Silverlight ecosystem that I think will be interesting to see is the third-party offerings. It will be interesting watching how many third party controls arrive for Silverlight, as well as what types of controls they are, and how the market reacts to them. I know that in the WPF space, we'd see a lot less WPF LOB applications if it weren't for the likes of Infragistics, Xceed, ActiPro and Syncfusion. As much as there are many concepts that carry between WPF and SL, many of the implementation details that control vendors rely on don't seem to cross over so easily, which makes it harder for third parties to build on top. Examples off the top of my head: custom markup extensions, template binding for attached (read: third party extension) properties and the lack of a logical tree (a lot harder to use binding with non-visual elements). Certainly there are vendors building on Silverlight, but their offerings seem tamer than their WPF counterparts, and I suspect that's a limitation imposed by some of the missing areas of extensibility above. But then again, will third party controls even be relevant for Silverlight applications? Is there a thriving market for third party Flash controls? On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jordan Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Just on the success of SL in the RIA space... The hard sell is going to be to the designers... they are in many ways married to Adobe PS, but this doesn't they have to stay married to Flash/Flex. They key is, they don't have to stop using PS to do their designs - showing them how easy it is to go from PS / IL to Expression Design/Blend is the goal. Also, showing designers just how many great C# developers are out there to take away their ActionScript/Flex pain so they can concentrate on designs and not program implementation will help attract more designers. I'd put money on there being more C# developers out there than Action Script developers - and that on average the C# developer has more experience (i.e. they are *better* :)). We are starting a new user group called the Silverlight Designer and Developer Network in Melbourne (first meeting Nov 27th - a formal announcement coming soon) especially to help bridge this gap... My observation is that traditionally designers don't have a lot of SIG/community stuff they attend regularly - hopefully the SDDN can buck that trend. Each meeting will have content for designers and content for developers - including lots of content on bridging the gap between the two camps. Bringing designers and developers together regularly creating dialog is the first step to making Silverlight a great success. All sessions recorded and available for free on the site after the meet! As I said there will be a formal announcement very soon so stay posted. Jordan. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 9:53 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Lucky Silverlight has so many great tools to crank out XAML for you :) At the end of the day is there really any more work in style creation than with something like CSS? At the end of the day you aren't being forced to trawl though pages of XAML if you don't so desire :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Muhammad Niaz Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 12:13 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi Stephen, I agree with your comments related to .NET expertise. But even though I do't know about Flex but I want to say that lot of XAML markup is generated when we are building out styles in App.xaml, and even Designing is also tough for developer point of view :( Thanks & Regards, Muhammad Niaz Software Engineer Intagleo Systems Pvt Ltd. +92 321 569 4195 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:01 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi Muhammad, I can't really comment on Flex but the little I've seen showed me that both technologies were/are moving in similar directions, which you'd expect as they have a similar problem to solve. I can say though, that learning XAML is not a waste given that WPF also uses it. Anything you can do in XAML can be done in code but usually there's fewer lines of XAML to do the same thing. I love working with Silverlight and if it's easy to use and nice to code then people are more likely to use it, meaning over time it will increase market share. I think the biggest thing going for Silverlight is you can use your .Net skills. There's 4 million+ .Net developers out there apparently so that's a lot of people who already know enough to pick it up run with it. cheers, Stephen On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Muhammad Niaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Hi All, So SL released finally, I LOVE it but I have to lot code in XAML for Designing stylying etc. I want to say if we compare to other RIA Technologies like Flex etc. There features and related to developer point of view, are they easy to learn, develop, mean in minimum time we can do lot of work. For example?. And what are the core feature of SL which unique it and add value in it.? Thanks & Regards, Muhammad Niaz Software Engineer Intagleo Systems Pvt Ltd. +92 321 569 4195 ------------------------------------------------------------------- OzSilverlight.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. 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