[LUTE] Re: Mille Ducas

[Anthony Hind]

Thanks Wayne for your help which seems to have clarified the issue. I  
am sure this article would be of interest to Stephen K. also.

David, there seems to have been much scholarly discussion on the  
issue of his birth place, so there is good reason for there to have  
been doubts.
Your supposition was entirely logical, and this obliged me to look  
for clarification, and with Wayne's help, a likely good conclusion.
I  for one learnt something in the process.

However, for a moment, thinking about the recent subject raised by  
Rob, I wondered whether I had been the victim of bad Web reporting  
that I had taken for granted.
Already, Peter Martin told me that I had sent Stephen K. a  
"bowdlerized" lute-neutered version of Mille Ducas (although, to be  
fair, it was the only one I found), and
then I feared I had further lead the list astray. It is always best  
to check and recheck, and to add a note of caution in a message when  
one is not fairly certain of the facts,
I just sent the quote, without the note of caution, so in that I was  
also both right and wrong. Fortunately it seems we have come nearer  
to the facts, until further research, perhaps
puts this in question again.
Best wishes to all
Anthony

Le 19 avr. 08 à 02:21, wayne cripps a écrit :

Hi Anthony -

 The article s long, and a series f jpegs, but this covers Susato's
birth..

        Wayne

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On Apr 18, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Anthony Hind wrote:


Le 19 avr. 08 =E0 00:50, LGS-Europe a ecrit :

Susato was born in  Cologne

I read he was born is Soest (The Netherlands), hence his name.

David you may well be correct, but I saw this.
JSTOR: New Documents on the Life of Tielman Susato, Sixteenth ...
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3687153
New evidence confirms that Tielman Susato was born in Cologne or its
environs, in about 1515, as the son of another Tielman. Three
documents can be cited to ...

and

JSTOR: The Cantus-Firmus Chansons of Tylman Susato
http://www.jstor.org/pss/830473 - [ Traduire cette page ]
Finally, we shall attempt to determine the extent of Gervaise's
stylistic debt to Susato. Tylman Susato,2 who was probably born in
Cologne, settled in Ant- ...

There are people born in England called French, it is no guarantee of
their origin, and the father who could have been born in Soest, might
have moved to Cologne.
However, I don't know. These articles look serious, but I have no way
of accessing them. Do check what they have to say, and let us know.
Anthony


David


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