Ron Andrico
Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:32:30 -0700
Dear Eugene, Arthur & All: Actually, Respighi's other major source for material for his 'Ancient Airs & Dances' suites was Chilesotti's _Lautenspieler des XVI Jahrhunderts_, published in 1891. This volume contains 'guitar' transcriptions of the bits by V. Galilei, Molinaro, Besard, Gianoncelli, Boesset (via Marin, 1636), as well as a host of other good composers of good lute music. The volume was reprinted by Forni, Bologna at some unknown date, and is a worthy anthology ripe for re-transcripiton into lute tablature. As for the 'rumor' qualifications of the existence of Chilesotti's other original ms., one has to agree with Eugene that, until published, it remains folklore. We would all truly love to see the evidence and encourage the Italian lutenist to make his story more widely available. Best wishes, Ron Andrico [1]www.mignarda.com > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:19:23 -0400 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Respighi > > Greetings Arthur et al. > > I very sincerely intended no disrespect in referring to the existence of the original as a rumor. I have read these accounts before. I do not know the lutenist referenced nor the owner of the manuscript. I am also a biologist who deals with wild things. Eyewitness accounts are why the Loch Ness monster isn't on the books amongst those in my profession. I am not doubting what the lutenist in question saw. It's only that I have not seen it, have not seen this referenced in any known catalogues, have not had any corroboration beyond this singular account, etc. Again, I very sincerely intend absolutely no disrespect, but without more than a single un-verifiable account, this particular book is rumor from my perspective. I do not claim to speak from anybody else's perspective. > > I am also very fully aware that Respighi drew from a great many sources (Roncalli's guitar music, e.g.). Feel free to read again: nowhere did I write nor intend to imply that Respighi only drew from the Codice Lauten-Buch--nowehere did I write that whole of Respighi's Ancient Airs could be located in Chilesotti's Codice Lauten-Buch. Anybody who took me to mean that Chilesotti's Codice Lauten-Buch was Respighi's sole source read far more in my brief note than I'd actually written. Also, anybody who dedicates years to a musicological wild goose chase based upon what a biologist/amateur musician posts to a public electronic forum deserves to find nothing at all. > > I also do not represent some kind of isolated, isolationist "guitar world" any more than I do an even odder 6-course, baroque-era mandolino world...or a pre-Chambure, speculative vihuela world. Personally, I love everybody's music and wouldn't dare to contain myself to one facet. > > Again, I intended no disrespect at all, but there is nothing I or the interested public can confirm of tablature originals of Chilesotti's Codice Lauten-Buch. That was my only point. > > Sincerely, > Eugene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:07 pm > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Respighi > To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, List Lute <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "List Lute" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:36 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Respighi > > > > > > | At 09:40 PM 9/16/2008, howard posner wrote: > > | >In 1994 Dick Hoban's Lyre Music Publications published "Oscar > > | >Chilesotti's Da un Codice Lauten-buch," Dick's re- > > intabulation of > > | >Chilesotti's transcriptions in neat, easy-to-read large-type French > > | >tablature, spiral bound. You can order it from: > > | > > > | >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lyre/lyre.html > > | > > | Because original tablature versions of the Chilesotti book > > only appear > > to > > | exist in occasionally-referenced, third-person rumors, I > > believe Paul > > | O'Dette took a similar approach to his "Ancient Airs" recording: > > | re-intabulating from Chilesotti's staff-notation version. > > oooooooooooooooo > > Dear Eugene, > > > > This common misunderstanding about the > > Respighi Ancient Aires seems to surface from the guitar world each > > and every time the Respighi suites are mentioned! All you > > do is send > > readers on a wild goose chase looking for pieces that are NOT in the > > Codice Lauten-Buch. > > > > Can you imagine how frustrating it is to look through > > 100 scores in an attempt to find a work that is not there? > > > > We've all done t. > > > > First--fast through. Nothing. > > Slower. Nothing. > > "But Eugene said they're there." > > Once more--very slowly and carefully. > > Damn! There's no > > there there! > > > > All of the transcriptions used by Respighi come from SEVERAL articles > > on lute music published by Chilesotti in various places, > > including some > > rather obscure Italian music journals, which are particularly > > troublesometo locate. The three suites (publ. 1917, 1923 and > > 1931--after OC's death > > in 1916) contain 24 pieces, and ONLY SIX are taken from the Codice > > Lauten-Buch! And the tablature for one of the six pieces > > is reproduced > > in Chilesotti's book in facsimile. So one would only have to > > re-intabulate 5 of the pieces, because all of the others are available > > in the original tablatures, many in convenient facsimile > > editions or > > modern editions wth tablature. > > > > As for the "third-person rumors," I take exception elsewhere in this > > thread. I'd rather say they are not rumors, but an "eye- > > witness account" > > by a professional Italian lutenist who played a private recital > > in the > > home of the manuscript's current owner in the late 1990s. > > He is said to > > have performed > > directly directly from the original manuscript "Lauten-Buch." > > > > AJN > > oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > <<snip>> > > | Best, > > | Eugene > > | > > | > > | > > | To get on or off this list see list information at > > | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > | > > > > > > > -- __________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. [2]Learn Now -- References 1. http://www.mignarda.com/ 2. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008