IMSLP is a great source for facsimiles (I've played from many of them in wind bands and looked at a lot more), but the quality of the edited versions varies a lot. Check the composer's Collections tab to see if you can find a facsimile version to at least verify that the edited version you are looking at bears some resemblance to the original. For starters, I've never seen a piece written prior to the early 17th century that wasn't in what we would think of as C or F (i.e., zero or one flat). If the edited version is in a sharp key, or has multiple flats, it's likely been transposed and perhaps further muddled. Transposition is not necessarily a bad thing or even ahistorical, since instrumental musicians would often transpose the written pitch to get around range or fingering issues, but it does indicate at least some editorial modification. Of course, the facsimiles themselves can be damaged or corrupt, and then there's ficta, and ...
Guy -----Original Message----- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Smith Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 AM To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Source for Guedron, "Aux Plaisirs". Interesting to see this play out again. I was in exactly the same situation 2 years ago, scratching my head over this same piece of music that I thought I had prepared for. Any others out there? Ron, I agree, learning about sources is every bit as important as technique, instruments and aesthetics. Over the last 20 years I've put zillions of files together for concerts, organization or study. Many of them might be useful for others but to put them up blindly (or even the necessary information) would be madness. While once or twice useful, eventually there's the probability I'd be guilty of the same misinformation as our 19th/20th century forbearers. For every Howard M. Brown, Colin Slim and A. Ness there are a dozen Flaxlands, Durands and me's. The beauty of the net is that there's no editor. The tragic downfall of the net is that there's no editor. Sean On Apr 25, 2017, at 5:28 AM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Christopher, what you have encountered is a 19th-century romantic > re-composed version of the air, and is from Échos de France: Recueil > des plus célèbres airs, romances, duos, etc., first published in Paris > in 1853 by Flaxland, later editions published by Durand. The > re-imagined 19th-century version of Aux plaisirs is from Vol.1 > (pp.85-87). > > This is also evidence of the total collapse of facts, truth, and real > access to actual cultural landmarks that is a result of the massive > uncollated barrage of questionable information disseminated on the > internet. In other words, this is what happens when one innocently > surfs for free music. > > RA > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Christopher Stetson <christophertstet...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 1:50 AM > To: Andreas Schlegel; Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Source for Guedron, "Aux Plaisirs". > > So I went to rehearse this song with a singer who said she'd been > working on it, and she was surprised as she had been working on this > version: > > [1]http://ks.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/8/84/IMSLP406285-PMLP305517 > -Aux_plaisirs__aux_d__lices.pdf > Does anyone know the origin of it? > Thanks, > Chris. > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Christopher Stetson > <[2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you, Andreas. > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Andreas Schlegel > <[3]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> wrote: > After Guillo > [4]https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1875319692 > 3&searchurl=sortby%3D17%26an%3Dguillo%2Blaurent > p. 340: > 1v et luth: P.Guédron, tabl. G.Bataille: 1614-C > 1v P.Guédron 1615-B > 5v P.Guédron 1617-G+ > Andreas > Am 08.04.2017 um 05:29 schrieb Christopher Stetson > <[5]christophertstet...@gmail.com>: > Hi, > Can someone tell me where I can find Pierre Guedron's "Aux > Plaisirs, > aux Delices Bergeres"? I know someone knows off-hand, and I > don't > have the time to go searching myself. > Thanks, > Chris. > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > Andreas Schlegel > Eckstr. 6 > CH-5737 Menziken > [7]+41 (0)62 771 47 07 > [8]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch > -- > References > 1. > [1]http://ks.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/8/84/IMSLP406285-PMLP305517 > -Aux_plaisirs__aux_d__lices.pdf > 2. [2]mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com > 3. [3]mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch > 4. > [4]https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=18753196923&search > url=sortby=17&an=guillo+laurent > 5. [5]mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com > 6. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 7. tel:+41 62 771 47 07 > 8. [7]mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch > > -- > > References > > 1. > http://ks.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/8/84/IMSLP406285-PMLP305517-Aux_plaisirs__aux_d__lices.pdf > 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch > 4. > https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=18753196923&searchurl=sortby=17&an=guillo+laurent > 5. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com > 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 7. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch >
