A suggestion for the name 'arciliuto francese' is that Dalla Casa (1737 - 1810) related it to the eleven course arciliuto depicted in Mersenne's much earlier treatise of 1637. See link to Spencer's article (figure 16) [1]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/spencer3.htm The last previous Italian music specifically for archlute is, of course, Zamboni's (c.1664 - 1721) of 1718. Zamboni was at least two generations older than Dalla Casa and wrote for the 14 course arciluito which had been employed in Italy from the early seventeenth century - perhaps by the mid-eighteenth century knowledge of the old instrument had faded away (in this late period liuto in Italy generally just means a six/seven course instrument). In short, I've suggested that Dalla Casa might have felt the need for a new name to differentiate his 'new' ten course instrument and so what better than to adopt the name from a respected historical source such as Mersenne's and at the same time give it some exotic added kudos in his native country....... It is also relevant that Dalla Casa adopted the French type of upper peghead (as dep[icted by Mersenne) rather than the usual liuto attiorbato type of upper peghead generally found in Italy earlier. So maybe the name also relates to the peghead style. Dalla Casa's compositions are rather different to Zamboni's which is late baroque in style and seems modelled on Corelli's (and contemporaries) violin works. Dalla Casa's seems, at least to me, to be pre-classical (as fits the times) with intereest mainly melodic. The use of staff notation was general for all lutes in Italy at this date. MH __________________________________________________________________
From: Alain Veylit <al...@musickshandmade.com> To: Mathias Rösel <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 4 August 2017, 22:19 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa Mathias, I too am puzzled by the basso continuo chunks and I am not yet sure how they fit with the rest - they may be short-hand notation for arpeggiated parts, perhaps... However, the grand staff notation seems definitely intended for an archlute - specifically the arciliuto francese, i.e. a 10-course lute in the old tuning... Funny they called it that since the French were playing more commonly an 11-course D-minor lute at the time... De Visee also notated his theorbo parts on a grand staff, with a note that those few people who could still read tablature could just send him a note asking for the pieces in tab. I have not got to the mandolin parts yet but someone has a fund-raising project for a complete recording of Dalla Casa. If interested, google it. Alain On 08/04/2017 11:49 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: > Alain, > It's definitely worth the effort IMO, but that staff notation may be misleading. I was wondering quite a time about dalla Casa's book. I was suspicithias, > ous that not all of it is for lute solo. Then Susanne Herre turned up with her mandolin, we played from dalla Casa, and it all suddenly made sense. Some of the music is for a melody instrument together with a bass instrument, playing thorough bass. That's recognizable by the figures below the staff. There are staffs without figures as well, but now I'm wondering whether any of that music is for lute solo at all. > Mathias > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Alain Veylit > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. August 2017 18:34 > Cc: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Filippo dalla Casa > > Yesterday, I started transcribing a piece from the Filippo Dalla Casa MS yesterday and I am wondering how much interest there might be in a full transcription. The MS is for archlute in grand staff notation, so part of the work involves providing a tablature version of the pieces also. I think Nigel North had some pretty harsh words about the quality of the music but I find it very much in the spirit of Zamboni and there is not that much archlute specific music around. So, what do people think? > Worth the effort or just a waste of valuable time... > Alain > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/spencer3.htm 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail Hidden links: 8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 9. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L14490-2199TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
