Theory always appealed to musicians for its own sake sometimes. It gave them some sort of légitimity I would think. JM
> Le 8 août 2017 à 23:55, G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Demonstrably, Zamboni was old tuning. > But Zarlino in mid 17th means, they thought that his music theory was > still highly applicable. I thought they had abandoned hexachords and > modes and musica ficta by then. So what happened to the musica nova. > Isn't it all a bit anachronistic? > G. > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > It's yet one more among the many popular misconceptions that each > and > every lutenist played only d-minor tuned lutes by the mid-17th > century. The "renaissance" tuning was still in common use in > France as > evidenced by the publications of airs de cour. In Italy, the > old > tuning seems to have persisted even longer, and references to > "liuto" > appear to have meant a six- or seven-course lute in old tuning. > As far > as I can tell, all of these popular misconceptions were created > by > 20th-century academics in an attempt to cram random information > into > easily teachable categories. > RA > ____________________________________________________________ > ______ > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > on behalf > of G. C. <[4]kalei...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:48 PM > To: Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Zarlino, Giuseppe - Quatre livres ou parties > des > Institutions harmoniques > > What baffles me is what a baroque tablature is doing, applied on > a > renaissance tuning and a french translation of Zarlino in anno > 1654 > a > 100 years after pub. I thought everyone had gone over to the > other > side > by then! :) > G. > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier > <[1][5]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Yes but it certainly shows how lutenists could transpose music to > their > instrument and this French translation is 17th century, one > century > after Zarlino published his treatise. Interesting stuff ! > Best, > Jean-Marie >> Le 8 aoà »t 2017 à 21:24, G. C. <[2][6]kalei...@gmail.com> a > à ©crit : >> >> This was first published in 1558. The original has no tabl. > so > these >> are examples... >> The person who copied (and maybe also translated) the > italian > print did >> a monumental work! >> G. >> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier >> <[1][3][7]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >> >> The tablature is just the transcription of the notated > parts, > note >> for note, maybe an interesting insight into compositional > processes >> of the time (mid-17th century)... >> Jean-Marie >> -------------- >> >>> Hi >>> has anyone looked at the lute tablature in this work (in > french), >> or >>> even read the whole thing? >>> [1][2][4][8]http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9063327k >>> G. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. [3][5][9]http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9063327k >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [4][6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth. > edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:[7][11]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr >> 2. 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