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Am I wrong in thinking that something like Karma or fate is closing around Trump? I think the Democrats are actually reluctant to challenge him but events would seem to be getting out of control. Lou's remarks about the consequences of fucking with the CIA and the FBI are right on the money. Comey is now outside the tent and he is clearly pissing in. CNN and the NYT are at it too. I don't think it is coordinated in any way, but it seems to me from this distance that the flow of urine aimed at the White House could turn into a tsunami that will sweep the Trump Administration away. Now wouldn't that be an ironic fate for Old Pee Pee? comradely Gary On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Thomas via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > The explanation below assumes Trump is capable of organized thought. > > T > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Anthony Boynton via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > >Sent: May 15, 2017 11:42 PM > >To: Thomas F Barton <thomasfbar...@earthlink.net> > >Subject: [Marxism] Russia/Trump > > > >******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > >#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > >#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > >#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > >***************************************************************** > > > >*Reading the tea leaves* > > > > > >This list has a tea leaf reading session going on about why FBI Director > >Comey was fired by President Donald Trump. > > > > > >After stirring them again, and examining them under a magnifying glass, I > >have come up with the following reasoning. > > > >First of all Donald Trump is in deep trouble over the issue of Russia. > It’s > >not just the Democrats who have an anti-Russia program, it is the > >“internationalist” Republicans of the John McCain ilk. In fact, there is > >little evidence that any significant sector of the Republican party > >supports Trump’s Russian turn. > > > > > >The Russian intervention into the elections was not an invention of > >hysterical Democrats or of the New York Times. Cyber-warfare has been > going > >on world-wide for some time among businesses and states. The North Korean > >cyber-attack against the Sony Films picture *The Interview *may have been > >the funniest moment, but there have been plenty of serious moments > >including the very recent attack against hospitals in the UK. In any case, > >Trump’s infatuation with Vladimir Putin and Putin’s support for Trump were > >both on the record in the media of the world. Why wouldn’t Putin try to > >help Trump? He would have been an idiot not to. > > > > > >The Russian state remains a competitor to the American state in > >geopolitics. It has the only nuclear arsenal that can compete with that of > >the USA, and it is aggressively countering US/NATO pressure on it: most > >notably by its land grab in the Ukraine and its genocidal role in Syria. > > > > > >Although both US and Russian imperialism are counter-revolutionary through > >and through, that does not mean that their geopolitical interests are > >identical. The French and German empires of 1914 were thoroughly > >counterrevolutionary, but their geopolitical interests clashed. > > > > > >What interests are at stake? > > > > > >First of all client states. Every client state an imperial power has is a > >client! Who buys arms from the biggest arms merchant in the world? (that > >would be the USA) It’s client states! > > > > > >Who buys arms from the Russians? Not too many client states these days, > but > >the market of the old Soviet Union is still holding up. Oh, and then there > >is Syria. > > > > > >Nevertheless, a significant sector of big US corporations are heavily > >invested in Russia, and the GOP is still the party of business despite the > >Clinton’s efforts to bring them all into the Democratic party family. > >Corporations heavily invested in Russia include not only Mr. Tillerson’s > >alma mater Exxon, but Boeing, Pepsi, Ford, Procter & Gamble, McDonald's, > >Mondelez International, General Motors, Johnson & Johnson, Cargill, Alcoa, > >General Electric, and Morgan Stanley. > > > > > >They would like to have their cake and eat it, too. Keep the geopolitical > >power of the United States, diminish Russian power still further, but get > >rid of the sanctions against Russia so that they could get on with > business. > > > > > >Fat chance. > > > > > >One significant overlap of ideology and interest between Putin and Trump > is > >on global warming. It doesn’t exist! But, if it did, opening up the arctic > >to oil exploration and development would be just that much easier. Why not > >make the Arctic Ocean navigable – and drillable - 365 days a year! > > > > > >So far there is no evidence that President Trump is a deep thinker or > >strategist. Trump appears to be a blow-hard idiot and a bully who was the > >right man, in the right place at the right time. His Russia turn could be > >no more than admiration and attraction for other blow-hard bullies. > > > > > >But, maybe the man is more than he seems. > > > > > >At the very least, he is a cunning and corrupt real estate developer. > >Certainly, he has been attracted to doing business with the cunning and > >corrupt operators in Moscow. Apparently, he has made no big deals in > >Russia, but Trump is a man who has not released his income tax returns, > and > >who has built an opaque business empire of interlocking private > >partnerships that no one has yet deciphered. What kinds of dirty deals are > >hiding in that labyrinth can only be guessed at, but some dirty deals in > >Russia would easily fit into Trump’s pattern of behavior. > > > > > >And this raises another issue that the American ruling class has with > >Trump. They do not like to be robbed. Sharp business practices are > routine, > >and that is why they do not normally put one of their own in the White > >House. They hire lawyers like Obama and the Clintons, or put the idiot son > >in charge. Now, the President is a member of their own class who is out to > >rob the rest of the members of the country club and use the powers of the > >state to do it. > > > > > >True, a few of them have jumped on board. Some to participate in the > >plunder, and others to try to control him, to guide him, to use him. This > >in fact is what most of the Republican Party has been trying to do since > >the election. And, it is also what most of the Democratic Party is up to. > > > > > >But, if that effort fails, they will get rid of him. > > > > > >If they do, Russia will be part of the real reason, and most likely will > be > >the legal grounds for impeachment. > > > > > >Anthony > >_________________________________________________________ > >Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > >Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/gary. > maclennan1%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
