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OK I get it, Fred Fuentes. D'oh. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Fred Murphy <fred.r.mur...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Patrick's quote, but I don't recall saying it :) > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Patrick Bond via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> ***************************************************************** >> >> On 2017/06/09 12:05 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: >> >>> ...I am for all attempts in Latin America to take control of country's >>> resources and use it for the public good whether it was copper in Allende's >>> Chile, oil in Venezuela, gas in Bolivia, etc. I thought that Federico >>> Fuentes and the other Socialist Alliance comrades overprojected what was >>> possible in Venezuela but I think he was right on this: >>> http://climateandcapitalism.com/2014/05/19/dangerous-myths-a >>> nti-extractivism/ >>> >> >> As Fred points out, >> >> Even some of the keenest critics of extractivism in Latin America... >> acknowledge the need to differentiate between what they term >> “predatory”, “sensible” and “indispensable” extractivism. It is also >> true that most movements against specific extractive projects do not >> propose ending all extractive industries and that within local >> communities involved in such campaigns a variety of views exist. >> >> >> Each case needs to be considered separately, but the overall net negative >> wealth effect once GDP is properly corrected, suggests more caution is >> needed. >> >> The other two factors that are more acute now than in 2014, are the >> commodity price crash (especially in 2015) which in some cases led to >> declining Western or BRICS corporate exploitation (especially of greenfield >> projects) but in others led to more intense exploitation as shareholders >> demanded profits based on high volumes of extraction rather than on the >> high prices of prior years; and the imperative of climate change to leave >> fossil fuels underground. >> >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt >> ions/marxism/fred.r.murphy%40gmail.com >> > > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com