Horse
Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:44:35 -0700
Hi All RICHARD BUDD: In LILA (chapter 12) Pirsig writes: "If you construct an encyclopedia of four topics- Inorganic, Biological, Social, and Intellectual- nothing is left out. No "thing," that is. Only Dynamic Quality, which cannot be described in any encyclopedia, is absent." However, without the "encyclopedia" Pirsig speculates over in the above quote, assigning specific patterns to one of the various levels is often nothing more than a guessing game. In some cases, two levels may appear to lay claim to the same pattern. And often a given moral situation seems to allow for various interpretations of how the levels may be applied. This problem often creates a "post-hoc MoQ" in which the levels are applied only to justify some preordained conclusion. HORSE: Ethical theories come in all shapes and sizes. As far as I'm aware there is no ethical theory that is capable of giving definitive answers to all possible moral questions and I don't see why the MoQ is deemed any less valid because it is less than perfect. Ethics isn't an objective science (if such a thing exists) but a participative process like many other activities. And like many other activities it is also contextual. What may seem correct given one set of circumstances may appear incorrect with a small variation in context/perspective. Moral judgements aren't absolutes - even within the MoQ. This doesn't mean that firm conclusions cannot be reached regarding goodness or morality - just that the answer reached is not set in stone for all time. RICHARD BUDD: If one grants to the MoQ everything it claims for itself it should function as both a metaphysical description of reality and framework for deducing the "solutions" to problems of value and morality. HORSE: General ethical theories provide broad answers to general areas of moral concern (Metaethics) - is abortion morally justified, is capital punishment justified etc. The application of the theory may then be attached to specific areas in order ascertain their validity (Normative Ethics). In this way most ethical systems can be seen as "post hoc". MoQ, in terms of metaethics and application, for me, provides for a better means of reaching moral judgement and, more importantly, asking the questions. RICHARD BUDD: LILA gives us plenty of information on how the levels (and DQ) should interact with each other but its descriptions of the contents of each respective level are at best vague. HORSE: Which is why MOQ.ORG exists and why we participate in these discussions. The MoQ wasn't a fully formed ethical theory when Lila was published - just the initial outline. Lila isn't the Bible and shouldn't be treated as such! RICHARD BUDD: Most importantly, the MoQ doesn't even claim to give a method of "deducing" what patterns fit where. But, without this ability the MoQ can never fulfill either of its two primary functions.. After all, the MoQ can have no value in moral or metaphysical thought if the thinker must always check with Robert M. Pirsig to know if he's correctly applying the levels. HORSE: !!!!!!! RICHARD BUDD: I propose that this month we scan LILA for clues and share our ideas on whether assigning patterns to levels is an 'art' or a 'science'. and if there's no such 'science', does this leave the MoQ open to charges of being nothing but an elaborately veiled emotivism? Assigning patterns to levels is neither an art nor a science - it is an ongoing participative process. Something to keep firmly fixed in mind whilst thinking about catagories and levels and pigeonholing etc. is that Dynamic Quality - which is present in all levels - is of greater good than static value, which is merely moral. As there seems to be an amount of confusion over what is meant by 'Emotivism', I've also supplied an excellent essay/critique on Emotivism in a seperate post. I can't for the life of me remember where it came from or who wrote it. Horse ------- End of forwarded message ------- MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org