morphmet
Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:50:20 -0800
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Morphological disparity and landmark variation Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Murat Maga <m...@u.washington.edu> To: morphmet@morphometrics.org Hi all, I have 3 sample groups, each of which have 5-12 individuals. Two of those are subspecies, and the third is a cross between them. I want to estimate (1) what is the most morphologically different of these three groups, and (2) for that group, which LMs are driving the difference from the other groups. All of these groups are really similar, and I am looking for small shape changes. For (1) I looked into the Morphological Disparity (MD) equation provided in Zelditch et al. (2004) and got confused a bit. Definition says the measure of distance(or at least one of them) can be the Procrustes distance between the average shape of an individual species and the grand mean of all groups. I can, of course, calculate a mean shape for each of my groups using 3 separate GLS, and then calculate the grand mean from those three means. They also suggest to calculate a confidence interval for MD using bootstrapping with resampling with replacement. My understanding is, I bootstrap one group, take the new group mean shape, calculate a new MD for that group, rank them, toss the upper and lower 2.5%. to get a 95%. Provided that this correct, here are the parts that I am confused about: While bootstrapping, should I also calculate a new grand mean of groups? Obviously, the group mean for the bootstrapped sample is not going to be identical to my original mean for that group, and that should have some effect on the grand mean of groups. Should I worry about this, or stick with the grand mean from the original analysis? Also when I do resampling, should I resample the individuals or LMs? For (2), I was thinking I can take the pooled sample, calculate the Euclidean Distance of each LM (for each individual) from the consensus shape in tangent projected coordinates which will let me calculate LM difference means for each group. But then I couldn't figure out what to do with that. I guess I can calculate some sort of ratio, but would that really give me what I want? Am I totally off the track? Best, Murat -- A. Murat Maga, PhD Senior Fellow University of Washington Dept. Pediatrics, Division of Craniofacial Medicine 1959 NE Pacific St. HSB RR234 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 616-9703 -- Replies will be sent to the list. For more information visit http://www.morphometrics.org