Anecdotally, on a trip with Saw Mill River Audubon to Duluth MN and environs in 
January, one afternoon, for the gull-ers in the group, we headed to the Duluth 
waterfront (in lieu of say looking for more e.g. great gray owls).  However, we 
were successful in the quest to find, e.g. Thayer’s gull, a life bird for 
several, who now I am afraid must remove the tick from their lists. (I will say 
the Arch Bridge between Duluth and Superior, WI in late afternoon winter light 
was well worth the stop, the gulls not so sure.)  The scrapping of Thayer’s as 
a bird, reminds me of the quote about gulls from Nell Zink’s The Wallcreeper 
"the many eerie transformations they undergo on their way from being 
indistinguishable to being basically identical."

As to the “magnificent” hummingbird split, why not leave one magnificent and 
call the other “amazing” or some such, rather than “Rivoli’s” and “Admirable” 
which seem so pedestrian in comparison.  Rivoli’s was named after Anna, the 
Dutchess of Rivoli long forgotten, who was the wife of the Duke of Rivoli, an 
amateur ornithologist (also long forgotten) --- why not the Ingrid Bergman 
hummingbird, then?

L. Trachtenberg
Ossining


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never was?

Thanks Donna

Didn't realize the on line checklist had rolling updates prior to publication 
of the supplement. I see Northern Harrier has been split from Hen and Northern 
Shrike from Great Grey.

Paul
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On Jul 1, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Donna Schulman 
<queensgir...@gmail.com<mailto:queensgir...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Paul,

So far, the Supplement has not been published, but the checklist reflects 
decisions: 
http://checklist.aou.org/taxa/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchecklist.aou.org%2Ftaxa%2F&data=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C91ea32f035ab4b70b35408d4c08f69b4%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=YOWMRH2%2BF9tkUeEAd1EJpDWdXoipGL6roWuB4da02z4%3D&reserved=0>

As Brendan Fogarty pointed out on Facebook, Thayer's Gull is gone, Red 
Crossbill and Magnificent Hummingbird have been split, and there are some 
taxonomic changes. I think we're all waiting to see if that is the final word 
or if more will be coming.

Donna Schulman

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Hi Andrew

I've seen the proposals 
http://checklist.aou.org/nacc/proposals/current_proposals.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchecklist.aou.org%2Fnacc%2Fproposals%2Fcurrent_proposals.html&data=01%7C01%7Csweet%40amnh.org%7C91ea32f035ab4b70b35408d4c08f69b4%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=abH3oa5i5jyzKWBpHRGPQBT8KZ4W6j4brTxbsjaAHXg%3D&reserved=0>
But your post indicates the votes have been cast. Is this posted? Curious about 
decision on other splits - Yellow-rump, Willet, Harrier, Junco etc.

Cheers, Paul
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On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Andrew Baksh 
<birdingd...@gmail.com<mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
By now some of you have already heard that the AOU has taken the decision to 
invalidate Thayer's Gull.

A bit of background: Considered a subspecies of the Herring Gull by the AOU 
until 1973. Thayer's Gull, received full species status based largely on the 
research of A.H. Macpherson and Neil Smith in the 1960's. Smith's work which 
suggested Thayer's and Kumlien's Gulls mated as separate species on Baffin 
Island was viewed with much skepticism and this decision by the AOU appears to 
debunk his claim.

Ron Pittaway, a respected authority on this subject has published an excellent 
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