Ok... I will call that a consensus and we will change the name!! -FT
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Elwell, Tim <[email protected]> wrote: > > I believe 'health' is more appropriate as well. > > Tim Elwell > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of fred trotter > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hardhats] Re: [openhealth] Announcing Liberty Medical > Software Foundation and a petition in support of the current VistA as > Utility act > > > If there is a broad consensus that 'Health' is a more appropriate > name, then I will change the name. I have registered LibertyHSF.org > for that purpose. > > Anyone care to add an opinion? > > -FT > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Edmund Billings > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Health is broader and may be more appropriate than Medical... > > > > Medical connotes physician centered care which is just part of the > solutions. > > > > Edmund > > ___________________ > > Edmund Billings MD > > Chief Medical Officer > > Medsphere > > 1917 Palomar Oaks Way > > Suite 200 > > Carlsbad, CA 92008 > > 760.692.3700 office > > 415.505.8953 cell > > www.medsphere.com > > > > "Transforming Healthcare through Open Source" > > ________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of > fred trotter [[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:59 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: [email protected]; > [email protected] > > Subject: [Hardhats] Re: [openhealth] Announcing Liberty Medical Software > Foundation and a petition in support of the current VistA as Utility act > > > > This is unlikely to be a problem if we simply consistently refer to > > the organization as either > > > > 'LibertyMSF' and/or > > 'Liberty Medical Software Foundation' > > > > please help me be referring to it that way. Once we have do that for a > > while, the distinction should become clear. > > > > -FT > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, David Forslund <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My only concern about this proposal is that there is a company with the > >> name Liberty Medical out there (http://www.libertymedical.com). That > >> might create some confusion as well as some legal issues, but then I'm > >> no lawyer. (in fact, when I saw the title of the email, I initially > >> thought it was something connected with that company, which does a lot > >> of advertising on TV). > >> > >> Dave Forslund > >> > >> > >> fred trotter wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> At the behest of many of the vendors and individuals within > >>> the community, we are now announcing the creation of the Liberty > >>> Medical Software Foundation. > >>> > >>> http://libertymsf.org <http://libertymsf.org> > >>> > >>> This organization will exist to be our HIMSS, our EHR vendor > >>> association and, if needed, our CCHIT. It is intended to serve both > >>> the needs of the FOSS vendor community, and the community of > >>> individual developers and clinical users of FOSS EHR software. It is > >>> intended to be a place where FOSS companies like Medsphere or > >>> ClearHealth can sit at the same table with FOSS friendly proprietary > >>> companies like Misys and DSS! This is intended to be a place where a > >>> single developer from OpenEMR will be shown the same deference and > >>> respect as the CEO of IBM. > >>> > >>> We cannot afford an Open Source vs. Free Software divide in > >>> our community. That is the reason we chose the term 'Liberty' for our > >>> name. Openness is good, but it is not enough, we need freedom. But we > >>> cannot go around having the conversation: > >>> "When I say Free, I do not mean what you hope it means. You hope it > >>> means costless. In fact I plan to charge quite allot of money for this > >>> free stuff, but you will have freedom when I am done. Of course it is > >>> -often- true that when I say free I mean that you can just download it > >>> off sourceforge for no cost. So I mean 'Free-as-in-freedom' and > >>> 'free-as-in-beer' at different points in this conversation and you > >>> are expected to keep up based on context clues." > >>> > >>> The vendors are going to have trouble trying to sell 'free' stuff no > >>> matter how you cut it. Also, even if we wanted to use Open, everyone > >>> and their dog has an organization that begins with 'Open' I can rattle > >>> off seven without thinking hard. When we previously discussed starting > >>> something like this using the term 'Free' people got pretty huffy. > >>> > >>> Liberty is the compromise. You might be paying millions for the > >>> deployment of software that you can download from sourceforge for no > >>> cost, and that is OK but what you need to have is 'Liberty'. I hope > >>> everyone is as please with this compromise as I am. We will be > >>> announcing membership and leadership shortly, but you can be assured > >>> the usual suspects will be involved or at least invited. > >>> > >>> Our first project, and the reason that we are unveiling this now, is > >>> to activate the community in support of the Health IT Public Utility > >>> Act of 2009. > >>> > >>> We have created a petition that we will be submitting to generously to > >>> congressional representatives. (Just go to our homepage) Note that we > >>> specifically choose a petition engine that allows you to sign with > >>> comments, and those comments will be passed along as slightly modified > >>> petitions. Essentially this is a way for you to both sign a letter to > >>> Congress, and also send an individual note, with LibertyMSF doing most > >>> of the grunt work. (Note: Dr. Billings did much of the content of the > >>> petition in his letter published here earlier) > >>> > >>> Most importantly, you can forward the petition to your email contacts, > >>> or your favorite social network. If you are reading this, and you > >>> agree with the basic principles outlined in the legislation, please > >>> take it upon yourself to get ten people you know who are not in this > >>> community to sign the petition. > >>> > >>> I want to be clear: The only thing this community has going for it > >>> politically is being right. The profit margins of the average large > >>> proprietary EHR vendor will always dwarf the resources of even our > >>> largest vendors. They can always leverage their vendor lock-in to > >>> force more and more money out of their customers. We simply cannot > >>> compete with their lobbying dollars. We have to organize and mobilize. > >>> We need to reach out to the larger FOSS movement. We need to get out > >>> local Linux Users Groups or Python users group or PHP or whatever, > >>> aware of the basic tenants of our argument. We need to reach many, > >>> many more doctors. We need to get nurses involved. > >>> > >>> VistA has proven that the only way to solve the problem of healthcare > >>> automation is through the use of collaborative development that is > >>> only possible inside the VA with a single shared employer who owns > >>> everything or the use of FOSS licenses outside the VA. > >>> > >>> Please also signup for an account on LibertyMSF.org so that we can get > >>> ahold of you. We do not have direct access to the details of petition > >>> signers. Please email me personally if you are interested in fomenting > >>> a local chapter of LibertyMSF in your area or something like... > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> -FT > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Fred Trotter > >>> http://www.fredtrotter.com <http://www.fredtrotter.com> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Fred Trotter > > http://www.fredtrotter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fred Trotter > http://www.fredtrotter.com > > > > > "Misys" is the trade name for Misys plc (registered in England and Wales). > Registration Number: 01360027. Registered office: One Kingdom Street, London > W2 6BL, United Kingdom. For a list of Misys group operating companies please > go to http://www.misys.com/corp/About_Us/misys_operating_companies.html. > This email and any attachments have been scanned for known viruses using > multiple scanners. This email message is intended for the named recipient > only. 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