I believe the problem got exponentially worse when we expected a "full stack developer" to be good at everything
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in > today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day? > HTML/JS? :D > > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a >> good landscape overview >> >> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the >>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make >>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves >>> these days?" >>> >>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously >>> get reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway. >>> >>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers! >>> >>> >>> >>> regards, >>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>> >>> >>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a >>>> product suite. >>>> >>>> >>>> The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new >>>> features and bug fixes coming out regularly. >>>> >>>> Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other >>>> frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie >>>> say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases >>>> are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release >>>> is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month. >>>> Show stopper bugs are unusual. >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say >>>> that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over >>>> Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you >>>> further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop, >>>> web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to >>>> date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on >>>> Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I >>>> don't even know what version it's at now. >>>> >>>> >>>> It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving >>>> fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on >>>> top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on >>>> which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or >>>> permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your >>>> skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then >>>> that will take you away from others. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel >>>> like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as >>>> employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right >>>> path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might >>>> be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer, >>>> I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when >>>> you compare two Angular projects, or whatever. >>>> >>>> That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder. >>>> >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> >>>> on behalf of Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM >>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>> *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self >>>> respecting Dev should know these days? >>>> >>>> Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone >>>> doing commercial projects in the portable technologies? >>>> >>>> I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't >>>> seem to resonate as mature technology. >>>> >>>> On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha" <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work. >>>>>> >>>>>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard >>>>>> to get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity >>>>>> framework, sql server. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Preet, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Generally, Azure and JS frameworks like React and Angular is where >>>>>>> "it" is mostly at these days as far as general .net wed dev goes. It >>>>>>> also depends on location from my experience. I'm not familiar with the >>>>>>> Auckland market at all. In Melbourne most of the maintenance work is in >>>>>>> mvc, very little if any webforms, LOTS of Angular/React/whatever JS >>>>>>> framework. Same for Sydney. Canberra is mostly webforms and mvc from >>>>>>> what I >>>>>>> know (govt is usually a bit behind), Qld and WA I am not sure about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're wanting to get back into web dev I would ask you why. Not >>>>>>> joking. :) If your reason is because you want to update and get back >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> it I'd say go hard on Javascript. If you're after money I'd say forget >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> that and get into Salesforce lol. Kidding. Well not really. As I said >>>>>>> earlier you need to know your market too if you're wanting to be >>>>>>> valuable >>>>>>> (hireable). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, 16 June 2017, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi team, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Got Friday OT question for you all. I started .net with the beta >>>>>>>> and used aspx all those years ago. I stayed with ASPX until about 2007 >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> about then I moved into doing more desktop development. I'd really >>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>> dust off and polish my web dev skills but there seems to be a plethora >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> things that have sort of past me by Azure, Javascript, Angular (?) to >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> a few. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that fair few of you do web dev so i was wondering what you >>>>>>>> could advise as the must have skills today! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to give you a history, from 2007 I did WCF/WF & WPF type >>>>>>>> stuff, from 2010 I did more Cubes and SSRS BI stuff and for the past >>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>> of years I've been doing pure legacy desktop C++/CLI/.Net so not a lot >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> webbie stuff at all :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> piers >> more pedantry at http://piers7.blogspot.com/ >> > >
