I was hoping to a void a third-party solution, Ishai, but the DocAve solution 
does look very good.
Nothing's going to solve latency when off-network.
I might look at demoing both and will let you know.
From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Isakov
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:40 PM
To: 'ozMOSS'
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Which is why I suggested Drop Box.

Offsite back = good
Over the Internet access from virtually all popular O/Ss = good

And it integrates into NASs, file servers, etc seamlessly without affecting 
what you do at the SPS level or anything else.

But I completely understand if a business does not want to due to IP / security 
concerns...

Wait until your whole 2TB storage solution fails / corrupts :)

I'll be curious what you end up doing in the end.

NetApp also have solutions in this space (they OEM AvePoint anyway)

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:20 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: Re: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Looks like the solution i suggested- which doesn't solve your over-the-internet 
problem.

Thanks, Ishai Sagi
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On 19 Aug 2014, at 13:16, "Paul Noone" 
<p.no...@keller.com.au<mailto:p.no...@keller.com.au>> wrote:
Bamboo Solutions have a 2013 solution that does what I want - File Share 
Library.

http://store.bamboosolutions.com/sharepoint-file-share-library.aspx
The ability to specify a connection for each library is hard to beat.
Would love to know how they achieved this...
From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:52 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

We don't want any third party solutions or off-site storage.

>From what I can find (and information is hard to come by) I can bind the BDC 
>model to an assembly, which means I can write custom actions for file 
>interactions.

Is it hard just to expose them as a list (filename,size,modified date) and 
allow download/upload capabilities?

Regards,

Paul

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:43 PM
To: 'ozMOSS'
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

What about something like DropBox?

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:25 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

SharePoint is available over the Internet. I mean when the user is not directly 
connected to the network.

I agree speed will be an issue. But this is more about providing remote access 
when required. They need read/write capability.

I've never seen an example of a BDC connected list in action so don't even know 
what it can and can't do.

Regards,

Paul

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:10 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

If the user is off the network, doesn't that mean that sharepoint will not be 
available either? Or is sharepoint available through the internet - which only 
raises more worries - a CAD file would make a dent in most download allowances, 
not to mention potential speed issues with the uplink...
I think a RemoteDesktop is a better solution for a situation like this.


From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 11:40 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Thank Victor. I couldn't agree with you more! So much damn contradictory info.

And thanks for the explanation, Ishai.

All the files already exist on a file share. Users download large files to 
their system to work on to avoid network latency.

My goal is simply to give them access to this file share when they are off the 
network. I'm assuming a business data connector to SharePoint will allow this 
to happen by managing the connection itself.

Please let me know if I'm wrong.

Regards,

Paul

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 10:02 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Paul - the "collaboration" refers to databases that are used for about equal 
amounts of read\write, as opposed to "document repository" (think document 
centres and record centres) which is a mostly read, rarely write database - and 
Microsoft supports up to 4TB in those types of databases - with some heavy 
instructions of the kind of IO you should have for those databases if you 
expect proper performance.
I would suggest that leaving huge CAD documents out of sharepoint is the best 
approach.
Instead, I see two options:

1.       Cheap, quick and homemade: have a list in sharepoint with the 
metadata, including a link to the file in the file share.  Develop a timer job 
to refresh that list every night when someone adds\deletes a file from the file 
share. Users are trained to add files to the file share, and not through 
sharepoint.
This has the advantage of not affecting backup or upgrades.

2.       AvePoint connector: exposes the file share into sharepoint - allowing 
users to upload using sharepoint interface (assuming the huge files will not 
time out in IIS on the way...). More expensive, and you are relying on a 3rd 
party for upgrade, but if you use them for backup less worries.


From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 1:56 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Well I can disable download availability per library thank goodness.

But the following limitations are potential blockers unless there's an easy way 
to expand out to new databases as each one fills up.


·         The use of RBS-enabled content databases larger than 200GB with 
collaboration sites is not supported.

o   Not entirely sure what's meant by "collaboration" unless they're referring 
to the Team Site template.

·         If you are using Remote BLOB Storage (RBS), the total volume of 
remote BLOB storage and metadata in the content database must not exceed the 
200GB limit.

o   Am I right in assuming this does not include the files themselves??

·         You cannot upload any document larger than 2GB to an RBS-enabled 
content database.

o   Pretty sure this will be the case for CAD project files.

If they're talking about terabytes worth of content then I have limited 
options. They're not after a SharePoint user experience. They just need a way 
to access and dump files. I think metadata is also unrequired.

Third party apps always bite me on the ass come upgrade, so it looks like a 
customer connector is probably the only avenue left to me.

Regards,

Paul

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Wilson
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 1:44 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

My experience with OneDrive for Business has been very poor. It only supports a 
limited number of files and folders in a sync location (20,000 in your My Site 
library, 5,000 in other libraries - 
link<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2933738>). It has constantly run into 
issues for me, with the only option being to start syncing again from scratch.

There are third party products out there that expose a file share as a document 
library. I know AvePoint have one. This will complicate your backup/restore/DR 
strategy though. I've also found that exposing an existing file share as a 
document library isn't always a wonderful experience. You won't have any 
metadata (initially at least) and a deep folder structure is a poor user 
experience in SharePoint.

I recently saw a presentation from CADAC. These guys specialise in linking CAD 
drawings with SharePoint. One of their products 
(Organice<http://www.cadac.com/organice/en/solutions/Pages/default.aspx>) will 
link AutoDesk's Vault repository with SharePoint. Vault seems to be a common 
product used by people that work with drawings, but the licencing gets pricey. 
CADAC's Organice allows people that don't have Vault licences to access and 
review drawings. I haven't used these products, so don't have any practical 
experience to share.

Ivan

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of James Boman
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 12:35 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Paul,

Does using SharePoint synch button on a library physically copy the entire 
library to the local PC?

Yes - as far as I know it will copy the entire library to the local machine for 
offline use.  Dumping of files into the same path will cause OneDrive for 
Business upload them in the background.  I find this feature very handy.

Can I specify a UNC path to a remote server using FILESTREAM?

>From my understanding, the FILESTREAM feature of SQL server is an 
>implementation (not the only one) of the BLOB storage API in SharePoint.  A 
>document library in a content database with FILESTREAM enabled behaves no 
>differently from a user point of view.  While you can see the filesystem that 
>SQL uses to store the BLOBs, you can't/shouldn't make changes to that 
>filesystem.  Mapping of UNC paths would continue to work the same way it does 
>for all document libraries (via WebDAV) using open in explorer mode ribbon 
>button or using the connect to website feature in the map drive dialog.

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Kind regards,

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From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 11:55 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Hi James,

I'm open to both. My understanding is they want to a way to easily access or 
dump files (when offline) for these types of files.


·         Does using SharePoint synch button on a library physically copy the 
entire library to the local PC?


·         Can I specify a UNC path to a remote server using FILESTREAM?

Regards,

Paul

From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of James Boman
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 12:16 PM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Paul,
              Have you considered using FILESTREAM storage on the SQL server 
for storing the files as files, while still keeping the benefits of housing 
them in a SharePoint document library?

Cheers,
              James.
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From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com<mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com> 
[mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2014 9:56 AM
To: ozMOSS
Subject: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library

Hi all,

Has anyone successfully achieved this?

I have terabytes worth of CAD files and other types that are simply not 
suitable to storing in a DB.

I want to provide a Document Library view of this location and provide basic 
read/write (upload) functionality.

Would my best option be a custom BCS connector that interacts with the file 
system directly?

Regards,

Paul

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