Amen to that. Look at how plextalk's still selling the PTR2. Now maybe my PTR1's jaded me. Whith how it's rejected 3 cards in a row. Three in a row dam it. I don't understand how people that bought the PTR2 from 08 to today this verry day are getting buy. If anyone like this is here on list and wants to shed some light for me please let me know either here or off list. I'd really love to know how 1 justifies $995. I'm not bashing. Like you said at the start of your message I too wish they'd update the thing. Make a PTR3. Fine keep the CD writer for what ever it's worth, but lift the dam limits off the card reader. Cause even compact flash is still a thing but it's not the thing of 2006. There are 128 GB CF cards. I've seen them on Amazon. They also have some tech I can't remember the name of right now that Sound Devices also takes advantage of that makes them fast. Like dude come on. So how's the PTN2? Is the drive loads quieter then the PTN1's drive? I've seen the PTP1 it's cool. It's a mini PTR1. I still have my ptr1 and it is a shame it's rejecting CF cards left and right. I'd love to continue useing it for things here and there while it lasts. Though I'd love to get a PTR2. I had 1 for a bit. But it went south after a bit. I miiss it. It was epic. Though thhis new Cchinese player sounds cool.

On 5/5/2017 1:39 PM, Aidan wrote:
Well, I think that humanware really like to give us quite crappy
hardware and then we pay fru our nek for what? I love my stream, but I
agree that PlexTalk do a much better job with hardware. The stream
wifi chip is really not that good. I would love to get a milestone, I
think I would like the 212 as it sfor voice and music mostly, as I
have enough players with more in a package.
I have both ptp1 and ptn2, wich have great speakers as said.
I just think that PlexTalk should make their devices faster and update
it more, then I can support them 100%. But the player I enjoy a lot
now is the evo e 10 from vin-vision. They a china baste company but
they really do great work.
The player have wifi, and its very strong, and the hardware in general
is very good. It don't have a full keypad though, so you do most
things with the up, down, left and write and enter, but it have the
most features of all.
Both fm radio and internet radio, podcast ability, recorder, and soon
will hopefully be able to record internet radio also. Five alarms,
voice memos, voice reminders, (similar to the notepad on ptr2)
The recorder is actually so loud when recording from external sorces
or radio that you need to set recording volume to 1 or 2, and the nice
thing about it is that if something is very soft, then you can make it
louder to record better.
Also have noise gate. Not to high quality bitrates, but the most used
are there. It even have time announcements on hour or hafr hour or 15
minits. It uses evona tts joei and sally. It have calculator and
compus bookmarks, and customizable hotkey set. Also alouw for
copying/moving/deleting files. It have four gig internal memory and
uses also sd hc carts. Extremely stable firmware and take ten seconds
to upgrade firmware. Can also check for updates online. It have a
large speaker on the top frunt, and sound louder than even ptp1. You
can choose if you want it to remember the playback position of
different content. Music, wich also include any playable audio,
e-books and daisy.

On 04/05/2017, john schwery <> wrote:
The Battery in my NLS player is down to around 8
hours, now.  I don't know why they can't solve the battery life issue.

At 10:07 AM 5/4/2017, you wrote:
I read quite a lot and while at home, in my
opinion, nothing beats the NLS player, with its
good sound, long-lasting battery, although the
battery life, that begins at 40 hours, slowly
degrades to about 16 with prolonged use.  The
Iphone of course, is also excellent for
listening to BARD books, but with so many other
apps on the Iphone and now with unlimited data,
plus texting and the telephone itself, I prefer
to also take the Milestone 312 for the books.

The problem is that we are slowly  becoming pack
horses, when you take into consideration that
when travelling, I normally take my Iphone,
Milestone, Olympus, ORCAM, laptop and CPap machine.

Everything could be improved of course.  The NLS
players could solve the battery-life issue plus
add Bluetooth capability;  the Milestone could
add Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and an antenna for the FM
radio, for now it uses the wire of the
headphones as antenna; the ORCAM should be able to save the text it scans,



-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio
[] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 7:33 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Cool. Yes I've red that the new 1 has a radio. I'm glad it's so much
better then my 311. So you'd say it's worth it then? Cause I've never
seen 1 and wasn't sure how much of an upgrade it is. As for the NLS
player. I too have 1. It's cool looking. Don't use it as often though.
What with the app being on my phone.

On 5/4/2017 2:03 AM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:
Hello Hamit:

Yes, I do have the 312 and it is excellent,
except as I said, that it does not have
Wi-Fi.  I also have a VRS but one of the first
generation.  I do not use the Milestone for
recording except for emergencies, I have an
Olympus DS-50 for that and I normally do not
record stereo, mostly monoaural voice.
The Milestone 312 has a circular speaker with
a grill in front, rather large for the size of
the hardware, that plays excellent sound,
albeit mono; to hear stereo you must use
headphones, but either way the sound is
remarkable for such a small player.  It also has FM radio.
I normally use the NLS player to listen to
BARD books at home, but when travelling or
otherwise away from home, use mostly my
Milestone, I prefer it due to size and clarity of sound.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio
[] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Ah do you have the 312? Cause I'm sure no one's meantioned the
cause of the yuck the 311 was. Epic fale that thing was. This comming
from someone who still has 1. I only brought it back out cause my DM420
died. I only have the LS-14. It's no good for podcasts as it doesn't
hold your place and also if you turn the sucker off it'll jump out of
the folders. Wait why not use your Strattus you ask? Yeah during the
sometimes I do. But again I'm not a big fan of Victor Quality. I really
wanted to replace my trusty old PTR2 but BESB the bord of education and
services for the blind of Connecticut doesn't have a deal with IRTI no
more apparently. Oh wells. So what's the new mile stone like? Can you
send me a recording made with it? Especially if you've used stereo
with it? Thanks.

On 5/3/2017 6:06 PM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:
I am amazed that during this long discussion
nobody has mentioned the Milestone, that Swiss
machine with great speaker sound that also
plays NLS books and is much smaller than the
VRS. Perhaps because it does not have Wi-Fi?

Humberto Rodriguez
Fort White, Florida

-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio
[] On Behalf Of Gary Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players
radios and recorders to in this price range,
but unless you have some vision
to read the menus they won't do you much
good. They have a small speaker and
a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and auxiliary

The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, not
good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have sight. If
don't have sight you pay handsomely for the
ability to have accessibility to
outmoded technology for a small niche market.

If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be
the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?

On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an
player recorder for around $40.00 that has
a better sounding speaker in it
and records MP3 and wave files much better,
but the caveat is that you are
paying for accessible menus with the stream.

The Hims may be a better all around unit,
but it costs twice as much money
as the stream.

Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard
even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.

-----Original Message----- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting
particular job like that done.

On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.

On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to
that later firmware updates had fixed this.
Too late to try that here now <smile>.

On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan <>

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable
all-purpose player/recorder.


On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan

I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note
that -
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high
quality recordings one could use the
line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.

On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly <>

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket


-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [] On Behalf
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit
does have its limitations as we’ve
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity
being a very serious limitation
and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi -
one wouldn’t really want to try
and download a good quality audio stream.
And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an
observation, I
wonder why Human ware didn’t include
the ability to be able to browse
NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files?
about every other device I know of
these days - that can play Internet
radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it
be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR
Stream update though hHumanware
take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take
Christmas for the VR Stream users to download <smile>.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy

On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon <>

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and
internet radio stations.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [] On Behalf
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.

On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very
soon, so will be able to report
on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the
download speeds on the player are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked
is just now coming up, as the new
generation stream has been out for
some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner,
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly
let you guys know my experiences.

On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
As to slow downloading of data, I
have noticed with ours, and those
of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it
that reception is poor.
Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that
little package.

-----Original Message----- From: Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation


I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment
my purchase.

Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it
most respects.

The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however
having already heard a VR Stream - I
was already prepared for this,
a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use
small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for
years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't
Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.

Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I
noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly
compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the
for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is
to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.

There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR
box and a lot of this - such as the
Internet Radio, podcasts and so
forth - I won't bother using - given I already have better
for that sort of thing - but for those who don't the VR Stream
provides a great entry level to the world of Internet Radio

Getting online with the Vision Australia library was a snap so
downlaoded a couple of books.

Again, I have other Apps and so forth which I prefer to use
but the Stream is convenient for reading, no doubt about that
though I read all my newspapers these days straight from the
site its good to know I have a reliable backup.

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