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From: Jim Devine I know that the terminology hasn't been standardized, but contemporary China seems an example of state capitalism, in contrast to the old China (under Mao) which I'd call "bureaucratic socialism." -- ^^^^^^^^ CB: Based on past discussions, I'm thinking your analysis or terminology here is based on the lack of democracy in the bureaucratic socialism, and the fact that high level of state control doesn't make it socialism in the state capitalism. What do you make of Marx and Engels' definitions and statements on socialism ? In the _Manifesto of the Communist Party_, et al. That's where I get my definition. They don't seem to put as much emphasis on democracy as you do. On the one hand, I respect your militant attention to democracy in the sense of "all power to the People", popular sovereignty. On the other hand, given the history of capitalism/imperialism's willingness to take matters to the most horrific warring and violence in the history of the world in order to destroy socialism , of any form, it seems impractical not to have significant centralization in socialist states in a world with imperialism still. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list pen-l@lists.csuchico.edu https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l