tigerbengalis
Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:40:55 -0700
Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who precisely are you claiming is controlling Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson, Sumner Redstone or Mort Zuckerman?
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It's not a "who", it's a "what." What's controlling them is the same thing that
controls quislings and lackeys throughout history--a cowtowing to the dominant
powere structure for one's own personal gain, and in the case of the above, a
twisted sense that they will be safe from Jew hatred by virtue of their kow
towing. As deplorable as they are, they are still tragic.
In the United States, in the year 2007,
Americans are firmly committed to the concept of building a society on the
basis of talent and achievement, not ethnicity or religion. Israel and Zionism
are hopelessly mired down in ethno-religious concepts straight from the Old
Testament. The mainstream Israel lobby, including AIPAC, has emphasized these
"chosen people" themes in its campaign to win the support of Christian
Armageddonists in the United States. Americanism and Zionism are fundamentally
incompatible, as are American and Israeli strategic interests in a number of
important spheres. I really see nothing controversial in the above statements.
The Jerusalem Post just boasted that Jews dominate Vanity Fair's most recent
survey of the American power elite -- they comprise more than 50% of the list,
according to one of Israel's leading newspapers. Many of them are pro-Israel
activists and militants. The neocons have in fact been the dominant political
faction during the Bush 43 years, with the support of powerful neocon media
owners and controllers. Who precisely are you claiming is controlling Rupert
Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson, Sumner Redstone or Mort Zuckerman? Do they have
names? Let's see the hard data.
tigerbengalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sean, you take Jewish "messianic ethnic supremacism"
far more seriously and gravely than pretty much any Zionist does today or in
the modern era. Day to day Isreali concerns are much more mundane and vulgar,
just like Americans' interests are vis a vis the founding principles (and
myths) of America. Just like the average American has probably not read more
than a quote from Thomas Jefferson, the average Israeli has read next to
nothing of Herzl, and probably hasnt a clue who Moses Hess was.
Despite your reverance for America's "America's core ideological values" which
you hold up as so superior to Isrealis, America, lest you forget, was founded
upon the ethnic cleansing/genocide of entire nations, and built upon chattel
slavery, with a body count in the millions (continuing to this day).
Israel is a classic colonial settler state (read someone like the fine scholar
Maxime Rodinson on this rather than or in addition to the endless obfuscations
of the Shlomo Avineris, who refuse to call a spade a spade lest they get run
out of their universties on a rail). It is comparable to the South African
apartheid regime, or probably more accuartely, the Ian Smith regime in
Rhodesia. Except unlike those two regimes (and in similarity with the European
settler state called America), the Jewish settlers became, through force, the
majority (as are the Europeans in America).
This is pure politics, economics, and brute force at work. These "ideological"
obfuscations about the Old Testament are as minor as the grand narrative yths
of America. Zionist Jews are doing nothing more than playing the same game
learned at the heels of the Europeans who perfected the art. The tragedy is
that Jews once played a great role in the global game of social justice. But
for those who didnt perish at the hands of the white European Nazi slime now
find themselves enslaved to the white Christian American death machine.
And those handful of Jewish neoconservatives who some continue to insist are
wagging the American dog? Just lackeys, nothing more, nothing less.
Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The United States has suffered periodic eruptions of
xenophobia and racism, but generally America's core ideological values are not
ethnic nationalist or ethnic supremacist. Zionism has its roots in the
messianic ethnic supremacism of the Old Testament and modern Jewish ethnic
nationalists like Moses Hess. See: !{book; Shlomo Avineri; 1985; Moses Hess:
Prophet of Communism and Zionism; New York University Press}.
tigerbengalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Who do you think the Zionists learned their ideology
from?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Why Americanism and Zionism are radically different
ideologies.]
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AFP - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert urged Jews worldwide to migrate on
Tuesday as his government unveiled new incentives to woo back expats and
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