Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was-> Changes to the Protel company name

[van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH)]

(responses below)

Matthew van de Werken
Electronics Engineer
CSIRO Exploration & Mining - Gravity Group
1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069
ph:  (07) 3327 4685     fax:  (07) 3327 4455
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 4:11 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was-> Changes to
> the Protel company name
> 
> 
> > Whenever I do a demo for other programmers such as C++ guys 
> or whoever,
> > they are astonished that I do in 10 minutes what takes them a day.
> > This is what applies to the viual stuff. Obviously when 
> doing nonvisual,
> such
> > as processing multiple linked data structures, it is the 
> same as any other
> language.
> > But as even debugging complex stuff requries finally 
> something visual, be
> it a notepad
> > or something more specific, Delphi is faster in development.
> 
> Is the rapid development of Delphi apps due to a superior 
> IDE, or is the
> Delphi language superior?  If the magic is in the IDE, then 
> making rapid
> development of C/C++ should just be a question of getting a 
> better IDE.  I
> don't have any axe to grind here, I am just curious about it.

>From my POV, the superiority of Delphi is in the IDE. C++ Builder offers the
same IDE, only in C++. Best of both worlds. I haven't used delphi very much,
but I have used C++ Builder, and I couldn't imagine doing a GUI in anything
else. Well, I can imagine it, I have done it, and I know which one I prefer.

> 
> I know a VB programmer who writes GUI interfaces for his 
> company's software.
> He says VB is made for the GUI stuff, but other parts of the 
> software that
> were written in VB should have been written in something else 
> (VC, etc).
> 
> Is the Borland Delphi for Linux product really shipping, or 
> is it still
> vaporware (intentionware)?  Last time I visited the Borland 
> website, their
> Delphi for Linux (Kylix) information was very terse, whereas 
> there was more
> info for the Win32 version.

It's a real product. You can buy it; you can download a trial version, and
you can download a version that is free for use on open-source projects.

> 
> I know this sounds off-topic for this list, but it all began with
> considering what is needed to write servers for Protel.
> 
> Best regards,
> Ivan Baggett
> Bagotronix Inc.
> website:  www.bagotronix.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rene Tschaggelar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Public open-source PCB software. was-> 
> Changes to the
> Protel company name
> 
> 
> > I'm doing Delphi myself, though not in the Protel context.
> > Whenever I do a demo for other programmers such as C++ guys 
> or whoever,
> > they are astonished that I do in 10 minutes what takes them a day.
> > This is what applies to the viual stuff. Obviously when 
> doing nonvisual,
> such
> > as processing multiple linked data structures, it is the 
> same as any other
> language.
> > But as even debugging complex stuff requries finally 
> something visual, be
> it a notepad
> > or something more specific, Delphi is faster in development.
> >
> > And yes, Delphi is Pascal. It is less a matter of the 
> language that of
> what belongs to
> > it, the IDE, debugger, everything. It doesn't need DLLs or 
> OCX or such,
> they are crap
> > anyway. BCB may come close though as apart from the 
> language they are
> identical.
> > BCB is not identical to VC++ what the obj files and libs concern.
> >
> > Rene
> > --
> > Ing.Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought Delphi was Pascal Prettified.
> > >
> > > You mean Delphi isn't Pascal? What is different and why 
> is it so much
> > > better than C++?
> > >
> > > I've programmed in C, Assemblers, Basic, Visual Basic, 
> Pascal and C++,
> and
> > > I would take C++ over the others for a large program in a 
> heartbeat. C
> and
> > > assembler are good for embedded code on a 
> microcontroller, and VB is
> great
> > > for doing prototypes or test programs. The only thing I 
> found Pascal
> good
> > > for was what it was originally developed for, Teaching 
> Programming. I
> did
> > > watch a friend try to get Borlands C++ Builder to work 
> properly with an
> OCX
> > > he had worked on developing. It was so buggy when it came 
> to importing
> DLLs
> > > that he and the customer both regretted their decision to use C++
> builder
> > > instead of Visual C++.
> > >
> > > Rob
> >
> 

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