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4. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam - Clarification
. reg (Dr P Narayanan)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:41:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <vistekuma...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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I recall some work was done investigating Sanskrit for natural language
processing in the Artificial Intelligence field (AI) and some papers were
published in that area. Here is one, an interesting paper by Rick Briggs of
NASA (unfortunately I didn't keep up with that work). One is an abstract and
the other is the full text (pdf) of that article.
http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/viewArticle/466
?
http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/view/466/402
?
...Vis tekumallavistekuma...@yahoo.com
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
From: Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 12:30 AM
Shobha- Ji
All that is necessary is to say that Sa?skrit
is the source of all Indo-European roots and has a rich culture and long
history,
great literature, and can be traced back to the vedic tradition.? It is not
necessary
to over-embellish.
?
Its grammar has some irregularities, it is not the source of all
languages in the world and it is moot point on whether it originated in India
or in a region in ?north west which subsequently spread to Iran and India.? Even
though it is ?concise, the religious literature can be repetitious and sometimes
prone to ?over-exaggeration.? We Indians like to think about the language as
part of the religion, but this aspect may not be of interest to others.? I am
not sure about improvement in mathematical skills, logic, etc but I am willing
to
be persuaded.? Any kind of memorization helps keep the mind in good order.
?
Vimala
?
From: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu
[mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Shobha Saraiya
Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 1:53 AM
To: Sanskrit Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
?
Ananaji,
?
I tell my students the following why they should learn
samskritam.
?
1] All the Languages have come from Samskritam.
2] All our scriptures(i.e slokas,geetam,
kritis..etc)?are written in Samskritam, so it is important to know the
meaning when one is ?reciting or chanting them.
?
3] When we listen the commentry translated from Samskritam
to English or any other langauge?the bhava or the original meaning gets
lost.
?
4] Samskritam is the language of Gods and originated in
India.
?
5] It is a very sweet and humble loving language.
?
7] The Grammer is so perfect...I am only a novice at
learning Sanskrit and everyday
??? I get amazed how perfect? it is
mathematically. No wonder it is close to computers.
?
6] And all the excellent reasonings ?below.?
?
_Shobha_.
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in> wrote:
From: Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:39 PM
Dear Friends ,
I am putting together a little presentation on the advantages of learning
Sanskrit in day to day life . Can you please help me by adding to the
advantages and sharing examples . I am giving some application / advantages
below .
Memory improvement - remembering large numbers through katyapayadi
Improvement in pronunciation
Improvement in mathematical skills
Improvement in logical reasoning
Understanding the hidden meanings of day to day words and thus learning our
mother tongue better
Understanding the beauty underlying the religious poems and their
coorelation to learning e. g. Ramo Rajamani sada vijayate ..........
connected to Vibhaktis
Raising the just pride in our heritage
Ease of realising philological and philosophical thoughts
Quality of Conciseness
Thanks in advance.
Regards ,
Anand
A. K. Ghurye
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:45:21 +1100
From: "Vimala Sarma" <vsa...@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
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I realise now nam?mi must take dative, so I ma not sure now about my
explanation.
Vimala
From: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] On
Behalf Of Vimala Sarma
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 7:06 PM
To: 'Sanskrit Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
Clarification . reg
Maybe I have missed something in this discussion but isn?t p?dapankajam simply
accus, masc, sing, for foot-lotus ie a karmad?rya sam?sa, meaning lotus-feet,
or a lotus which is also a foot, and the object of the verb nam?mi ? ie I bow
to the lotus-feet....
Pankaja ? upapada sam?sa meaning born of the mud ? ie lotus
Is this too simplistic?
Vimala
From: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] On
Behalf Of hn bhat
Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 4:25 PM
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
Clarification . reg
There are different legends accounting to different Purana-s and all do not
agree each other. But they agree in that Ganesha was the son of Parvati. One of
such story I find to support the adjective "paada-pa~NkajaM" directly relating
to Ganesha also is possible:
According the very well known Shiva-Pur?na version, the Shiva's wife, P?rvat?
the Mountaineer, was disturbed once by her husband who entered the house, even
though she was taking her bath.
The goddess felt annoyed, because she didn't have any personal servant to guard
her door. So, she rub her body skin and, with the perfumed unguents obtained,
she molded the shape of a young boy, as glorious as daylight. Then, she granted
him life and named him Ganesh, ordering that he should be on guard in front of
her house.
When the child intended to impede the great god to enter the house, Shiva
enraged, transformed himself in his Rudra form and requested the to attack
Ganesh. In the battle, Ganesh got his head cut off.
Ascertaining the incommensurable disaster striking her son, P?rvat? was
inconsolable. Unable to find the child head, Shiva grafted a elephant head on
the dead body and gave him life again. Trying to repair his big mistake, he
recognized Ganesh as his son and empowered him on all his servants; so he
became "Ganapati".
This is the version of Shiva Purana of the creation of Ganesha and how he
became Gajanana. Now, coming to the point in question, Ganesha himself is ?????
in its etymological sense, born out of dirt. We don't know from which part of
the body Parvati got the dirt to mold the body of Ganesha, but if we assume it
was from her feet, then the compound ???????? would mean born out of dirt from
the feet, which qualify qualitatively the compound ???????? as the main object
object of the predication ?????? which I hope would solve the question in a
way. Only the word ?????????? has to be related to it as an adjective or making
karmadharaya compound or ???????????. The other solution suggested by Ayurveda
Narayanan also sounds well as adjective taking this compound as directly
qualifying Gajanana. It can hold good in my interpretation also, to take
?????????? in the vocative. The rest being equal. Though I had heard this story
in my childhood, I didn't know the original source for this.
On googling, I found this story credited to Shivapurana. More stories could
be found regarding the birth of Ganesha in this page:
http://ganapati.perso.neuf.fr/anglais/amythes.html
Now coming to the other solution, repeating the verb namaami, would yield to
two parts which makes something uneasy. First bowing directly ?????, the second
part again repeating the same as bowing at ????????, of ?????????? or as an
independent expression addressing ??????????, I bow at your feet. Even though
it is unsaid, bowing is done at the feet of the God, and the same is repeated
again explicitly retaking the same verb. Isn't it redundant? In a devotee's
view, it may not be redundant, as many as times, a devotee can prostrate before
his deity. And this super solution washes all the criticisms raised in the
verse.
As student of language, only one has to hesitate and think over the feasibility
of the interpretations in the verse.
And, as for the other reading ??????-???????-????-?????? I think I need not
comment anything than that it is a grammatically correct form. Might have been
replaced by anyone for the other reading, which seemingly convey, Ganesha
himself devoured by the essence of fruits Kapittha and Jambuu, which again
interpreted Ganesha is devoured by the desire for the fruits ... ... .the
meaning "desire" for "saara" I could not find in Monier Williams, even though
it offers a case of homonym.
The other solution to the existing reading, itself without distorting the
meaning of "saara" has been already offered by some member which was already
proposed by me. By the inclusion of this compound among the exceptional group
"?????????" it can evade the function of the rule governing the ?????? in the
Bahuvrihi compound. The group of gana is flexible one according to the
Ganapatha also. So there is no issue with the grammatical incompatibility in
this reading also.
Anyhow thanks Mr. Hera, for providing a sweet voiced rendering with a different
reading in the verse. For meaning, it will be a "beautiful food" made of
Kapittha and Jamboo fruit, for eating may not be beautiful by itself or it has
to be taken in literary meaning sweet or attractive to mind.
Thanks once again to all scholars who contributed their opinions in this regard.
With regards
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Sanskrit-loving global family,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymF9myktxXo
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymF9myktxXo&hl=de> &hl=de
In this cheerful rendering, we hear chAru-bhakShaNam instead of sAra-BhakShitam.
With this shift from eaten to eating (sAra may remain from a grammatical point
of view, I think), I personally see no grammatical incoherence.
The syntactical structure seems to be a simple (S)-V-O structure (namAmi + 6
direct objects describing Lord Ganesha). Please correct me if I am wrong.
By the way, its metre is vamshasthavilam, a 12-syllabled jagati with
ja-ta-ja-ra pattern.
Thank you for this sweet stuti. I have joyfully added it to my repertoire.
Hera
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--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:03:04 -0400
From: kashinath kambli <kashinathkam...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
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Plz Read the following to find out some more relevance of Sanskrit!
www.amrita.edu/downloads/*sanskrit*%20*relevance*.pdf
www.iimb.ernet.in/~mahadev/samskrit_why.pdf
kashi
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Vis Tekumalla <vistekuma...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I recall some work was done investigating Sanskrit for natural language
> processing in the Artificial Intelligence field (AI) and some papers were
> published in that area. Here is one, an interesting paper by Rick Briggs of
> NASA (unfortunately I didn't keep up with that work). One is an abstract and
> the other is the full text (pdf) of that article.
>
> http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/viewArticle/466
>
>
>
> http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/view/466/402
>
>
>
> *...Vis Tekumalla*
> vistekuma...@yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/3/09, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
> To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 12:30 AM
>
>
> Shobha- Ji
>
> All that is necessary is to say that Sa?skrit is the source of all
> Indo-European roots and has a rich culture and long history, great
> literature, and can be traced back to the vedic tradition. It is not
> necessary to over-embellish.
>
>
>
> Its grammar has some irregularities, it is not the source of all languages
> in the world and it is moot point on whether it originated in India or in a
> region in north west which subsequently spread to Iran and India. Even
> though it is concise, the religious literature can be repetitious and
> sometimes prone to over-exaggeration. We Indians like to think about the
> language as part of the religion, but this aspect may not be of interest to
> others. I am not sure about improvement in mathematical skills, logic, etc
> but I am willing to be persuaded. Any kind of memorization helps keep the
> mind in good order.
>
>
>
> Vimala
>
>
>
> *From:* sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu]
> *On Behalf Of *Shobha Saraiya
> *Sent:* Saturday, 3 October 2009 1:53 AM
> *To:* Sanskrit Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
>
>
>
> Ananaji,
>
>
>
> I tell my students the following why they should learn samskritam.
>
>
>
> 1] All the Languages have come from Samskritam.
>
> 2] All our scriptures(i.e slokas,geetam, kritis..etc) are written in
> Samskritam, so it is important to know the meaning when one is reciting or
> chanting them.
>
>
>
> 3] When we listen the commentry translated from Samskritam to English or
> any other langauge the bhava or the original meaning gets lost.
>
>
>
> 4] Samskritam is the language of Gods and originated in India.
>
>
>
> 5] It is a very sweet and humble loving language.
>
>
>
> 7] The Grammer is so perfect...I am only a novice at learning Sanskrit and
> everyday
>
> I get amazed how perfect it is mathematically. No wonder it is close
> to computers.
>
>
>
> 6] And all the excellent reasonings below.
>
>
>
> _Shobha_.
>
> --- On *Fri, 10/2/09, Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in>
> Subject: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:39 PM
>
> Dear Friends ,
>
> I am putting together a little presentation on the advantages of learning
> Sanskrit in day to day life . Can you please help me by adding to the
> advantages and sharing examples . I am giving some application / advantages
>
> below .
>
>
> Memory improvement - remembering large numbers through katyapayadi
>
> Improvement in pronunciation
>
> Improvement in mathematical skills
>
> Improvement in logical reasoning
>
> Understanding the hidden meanings of day to day words and thus learning our
>
> mother tongue better
>
> Understanding the beauty underlying the religious poems and their
> coorelation to learning e. g. Ramo Rajamani sada vijayate ..........
> connected to Vibhaktis
>
> Raising the just pride in our heritage
>
> Ease of realising philological and philosophical thoughts
>
> Quality of Conciseness
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards ,
>
> Anand
>
> A. K. Ghurye
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:50:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dr P Narayanan <ayurvedanaraya...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
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No, it is not the case. Only the avyaya word namaH is governed by the pANini
rule "namaHsvastisvAhAsvadhAlaMvashaDyogAcca (2.3.016)". The root nam takes
dvitIyA vibhakti.
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Sent: Mon, 5 October, 2009 6:15:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
Clarification . reg
I realise now nam?mi must take dative, so I ma not sure now
about my explanation.
Vimala
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:55:05 -0400
From: Naresh Cuntoor <nares...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 54, Issue 3 umasutam -
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>
> Maybe I have missed something in this discussion but isn?t p?dapankajam
> simply accus, masc, sing, for foot-lotus ie a karmad?rya sam?sa, meaning
> lotus-feet, or a lotus which is also a foot, and the object of the verb
> nam?mi ? ie I bow to the lotus-feet....
This is a slightly tangential comment. But I have to say, expressions
such as foot-lotus or lotus-feet do not capture the native wordplay.
Using English grammatical terms to talk about talking about words in
Sanskrit (sic) is just as jarring. From recent discussions on the
list, I gather that the original mode of instruction is to blame.
(Sanskrit grammar books written in English). At any rate, I do not
think it is difficult to pick up these terms in Sanskrit rather than
trying to square the circle. That is just my opinion. alaM vistareNa.
Naresh
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:58:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shashikant-Vijaya Ambegaokars <spa...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] For adminstrator's use ONLY--not for posting!!Re:
Advantages of learning Sanskrit
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PLEASE---NOT? MEANT FOR POSTING-- MEANT FOR ADMINISTRATOR'S USE ONLY.
1.Kashinath's post?is very good ; was able to open the 2nd link and it?has very
good discussion by Mahadeo;but am unable to open the first link
(amrita.edu).any suggestions?
?
2. THE POSTS BY VIMALA SARMA ARE RATHER OFFENSIVE;?SHE MAY BE OVER-PROTECTIVE
OF HER SECULAR MINDSET!!
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, kashinath kambli <kashinathkam...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kashinath kambli <kashinathkam...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 6:03 PM
Plz Read the following to find out some more relevance of Sanskrit!
?
www.amrita.edu/downloads/sanskrit%20relevance.pdf
www.iimb.ernet.in/~mahadev/samskrit_why.pdf
?
kashi
?
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Vis Tekumalla <vistekuma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I recall some work was done investigating Sanskrit for natural language
processing in the Artificial Intelligence field (AI) and some papers were
published in that area. Here is one, an interesting paper by Rick Briggs of
NASA (unfortunately I didn't keep up with that work). One is an abstract and
the other is the full text (pdf) of that article.
http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/viewArticle/466
?
http://www.aaai.org/ojs/index.php/aimagazine/article/view/466/402
?
...Vis Tekumalla
vistekuma...@yahoo.com
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
From: Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 12:30 AM
Shobha- Ji
All that is necessary is to say that Sa?skrit is the source of all
Indo-European roots and has a rich culture and long history, great literature,
and can be traced back to the vedic tradition.? It is not necessary to
over-embellish.
?
Its grammar has some irregularities, it is not the source of all languages in
the world and it is moot point on whether it originated in India or in a region
in ?north west which subsequently spread to Iran and India.? Even though it is
?concise, the religious literature can be repetitious and sometimes prone to
?over-exaggeration.? We Indians like to think about the language as part of the
religion, but this aspect may not be of interest to others.? I am not sure
about improvement in mathematical skills, logic, etc but I am willing to be
persuaded.? Any kind of memorization helps keep the mind in good order.
?
Vimala
?
From: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] On
Behalf Of Shobha Saraiya
Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 1:53 AM
To: Sanskrit Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
?
Ananaji,
?
I tell my students the following why they should learn samskritam.
?
1] All the Languages have come from Samskritam.
2] All our scriptures(i.e slokas,geetam, kritis..etc)?are written in
Samskritam, so it is important to know the meaning when one is ?reciting or
chanting them.
?
3] When we listen the commentry translated from Samskritam to English or any
other langauge?the bhava or the original meaning gets lost.
?
4] Samskritam is the language of Gods and originated in India.
?
5] It is a very sweet and humble loving language.
?
7] The Grammer is so perfect...I am only a novice at learning Sanskrit and
everyday
??? I get amazed how perfect? it is mathematically. No wonder it is close to
computers.
?
6] And all the excellent reasonings ?below.?
?
_Shobha_.
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in> wrote:
From: Anand <synet...@mtnl.net.in>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Advantages of learning Sanskrit
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:39 PM
Dear Friends ,
I am putting together a little presentation on the advantages of learning
Sanskrit in day to day life . Can you please help me by adding to the
advantages and sharing examples . I am giving some application / advantages
below .
Memory improvement - remembering large numbers through katyapayadi
Improvement in pronunciation
Improvement in mathematical skills
Improvement in logical reasoning
Understanding the hidden meanings of day to day words and thus learning our
mother tongue better
Understanding the beauty underlying the religious poems and their
coorelation to learning e. g. Ramo Rajamani sada vijayate ..........
connected to Vibhaktis
Raising the just pride in our heritage
Ease of realising philological and philosophical thoughts
Quality of Conciseness
Thanks in advance.
Regards ,
Anand
A. K. Ghurye
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