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1. Re: kuntiiputro vinaayakah (Hera Moon)
2. Re: sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 4 Maghe santi trayo gunaaH
- (Vasu Srinivasan)
3. Fw: The official website of the dynamic Gujarat Chief
Minister in 5 languages (Shobha Saraiya)
4. Re: kuntiiputro vinaayakah (Balaji)
5. Concluding - Re: Sanskrit Seed (Bija) Syllables (shiva aushadhi)
6. Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall (hn bhat)
7. A grammarian reproach some people he disliked - (hn bhat)
8. Re: A grammarian reproach some people he disliked - retort
(Ambujam Raman)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:54:41 +0100
From: "Hera Moon" <heram...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] kuntiiputro vinaayakah
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This is quite amusing, but I would not wish to succeed with ?vinaayaka,?
preferring to be defeated as quickly as possible with ?na janaami? (if I really
didn?t know).
In this particular case, however, everybody would spontaneously understand it
as a joke (maybe mocking the self-answering question), and in terms of metre,
vinaayaka is indeed a perfect answer.
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Von: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] Im
Auftrag von P.K.Ramakrishnan
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 07:23
An: sanskrit digest
Betreff: [Sanskrit] kuntiiputro vinaayakah
????? ????????????? ????? ??????????: /
?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????????? ??????: //
jhatuti prativaktavyam sabhaasu vijigiishubhih /
abaddham vaa subaddham vaa kuntiiputro vinaayakah //
If one is to succeed in an assembly of persons, he should give instant answers
without considering right or wrong. If he is asked who is the
son of Kunti he should immediately reply ?vinaayaka?.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:12:41 -0600
From: Vasu Srinivasan <vasy...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] sanskrit Digest, Vol 55, Issue 4 Maghe santi
trayo gunaaH -
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bhat mahodaya
dhanyavAda: |
I did not succeed in getting the book online. I will look in motilal shop
next time, may be they carry one.
I have been following the subhashtani blog. After seeing that I got
intrigued to find the book.
The quote by Mallinatha is very interesting. I have heard he has commented
on lot of kavyas. What book did he author ?
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:39:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Shobha Saraiya <shobhy...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Fw: The official website of the dynamic Gujarat
Chief Minister in 5 languages
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P?Please consider the impact on our?environment?before printing this
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:35:02 -0000
From: "Balaji" <bal...@balaji27.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] kuntiiputro vinaayakah
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In terms of meter other possible answers are Vibheeshana:, Paraashara:,
bhagiratha: and of course Dhananjaya: and Yudhishthira:!
Balaji
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From: Hera Moon
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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] kuntiiputro vinaayakah
This is quite amusing, but I would not wish to succeed with ?vinaayaka,?
preferring to be defeated as quickly as possible with ?na janaami? (if I really
didn?t know).
In this particular case, however, everybody would spontaneously understand it
as a joke (maybe mocking the self-answering question), and in terms of metre,
vinaayaka is indeed a perfect answer.
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Von: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] Im
Auftrag von P.K.Ramakrishnan
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 07:23
An: sanskrit digest
Betreff: [Sanskrit] kuntiiputro vinaayakah
????? ????????????? ????? ??????????: /
?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????????? ??????: //
jhatuti prativaktavyam sabhaasu vijigiishubhih /
abaddham vaa subaddham vaa kuntiiputro vinaayakah //
If one is to succeed in an assembly of persons, he should give instant
answers without considering right or wrong. If he is asked who is the
son of Kunti he should immediately reply ?vinaayaka?.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:04:57 -0600
From: shiva aushadhi <shivausha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Concluding - Re: Sanskrit Seed (Bija) Syllables
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I thank all those who have responded & emailed me regarding my question.
Indeed I have learned of the bija syllables & their associated
characteristics. I have been made aware through literature & the aural
experience of recitation allowed me to practice bija japa through emulation.
Such practices became the origin, inspiration & motivation of my pursuit to
experience an understanding of sanskrit wisdom. Approaching my study with
the primary interest in devotion to the vedic texts (& sri adi S A's
commentaries) I found I should first seek to understand grammar & etymology,
prosody & speech if I truly desired to know this potent tongue.
Learning of Panini's maheshvara sutras/ashtadhyayi & reading a bit about the
history of sanskrit / devanagari : I had began to wonder if the bija
syllables are considered seeds of the sanskrit language, which is why i
posted my inquiry. If I knew sanskit I could explain my confusion better. *(
I have spent an hour typing & then deleting my poor attempts to state my
deeper confusions regarding the Origins, Chronology & Differences between
Spoken & Written Sanskrit. I must study more before I elaborate with further
inquiries. I am already embarrassed by inarticulate ramblings) *
The works of panini are currently considered the oldest authority on
Sanskrit Grammar*. Which text first recorded/revealed/proclaimed the sounds
& qualities of the Bijas? I have not discovered reference to their mention
within the four vedas or upanishads, But I know nothing of the greatness of
these texts. It is the publication "Shiva Puja & Advanced Yajna" as well as
"Kali Puja" where I find the use of Bija syllables.
Thank you for the time you have taken in responding. It has clarified my
confusion. I now know that the seed syllables are not meant to be considered
as the seeds of the sanskrit language. It is within the pursuit, practice &
experience of understanding Sanskrit that I become one with God.
Bless you all for the infinite wisdom & fellowship you share through this
group. I give great thanks for the boons of this community!
Humbly yours,
-shivaushadhi-
***Kindly inform me, should my above statements have any errors. Am I wrong
to assume that there are no authoritative texts on grammar prior to panini?
I would like to believe that there are predecessors to Panini.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:00:36 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall
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Prayer to Manduka-s
???????? ?????? ????????? ???????????
???? ???????????????? ??? ??????? ????????? ?.???.??
?????? ??? ??? ?????????????? ? ?????? ???? ???????
????? ? ???????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?.???.??
???????? ???? ???????????????????? ??????????????????
???????????? ????? ? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?.???.??
????? ??????? ???????????????? ???????? ??????????????
??????? ?????????? ??????????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ?.???.??
?????????? ??????? ???? ?????????? ???? ??????????
????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????????? ????????????? ?.???.??
?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???? ?? ??????
????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????????????? ?.???.??
??????????? ????????? ? ???? ??? ? ?????????? ???????
?????????? ???? ??? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ????? ?.???.??
??????????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????????? ?????????????
????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????? ? ?? ????? ?.???.??
???????? ????????????????? ???? ??? ? ??? ????????????
???????? ???????????????? ????? ????? ???????? ????????? ?.???.??
???????????????????????????????????? ?? ??????
???? ??????? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ????? ?.???.??
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sa?vatsara? ?a?ay?n? br?hma?? vratac?ri?a? |
v?ca? parjanyajinvit?? pra ma???k? av?di?u? || 7.103.01
divy? ?po abhi yadenam?yand?ti? na ?u?ka? saras? ?ay?nam |
gav?maha na m?yurvatsin?n?? ma???k?n?? vagnuratr? sameti || 7.103.02
yad?men?? u?ato abhyavar??tt??y?vata? pr?v??y?gat?y?m |
akhkhal?k?ty? pitara? na putro anyo anyamupa vadantameti || 7.103.03
anyo anyamanu g?bh??tyenorap?? prasarge yadamandi??t?m |
ma???ko yadabhiv???a? kani?kanp??ni? samp??kte haritena v?cam || 7.103.04
yade??manyo anyasya v?ca? ??ktasyeva vadati ?ik?am??a? |
sarva? tade??? sam?dheva parva yatsuv?co vadathan?dhyapsu || 7.103.05
gom?yureko ajam?yureka? p??nireko harita eka e??m |
sam?na? n?ma bibhrato vir?p?? purutr? v?ca? pipi?urvadanta? || 7.103.06
br?hma??so atir?tre na some saro na p?r?amabhito vadanta? |
sa?vatsarasya tadaha? pari ??ha yanma???k?? pr?v????a? babh?va || 7.103.07
br?hma??sa? somino v?camakrata brahma k??vanta? parivatsar??am |
adhvaryavo gharmi?a? si?vid?n? ?virbhavanti guhy? na ke cit || 7.103.08
devahiti? jugupurdv?da?asya ?tu? naro na pra minantyete |
sa?vatsare pr?v??y?gat?y?? tapt? gharm? a?nuvate visargam || 7.103.09
gom?yurad?dajam?yurad?tp??nirad?ddharito no vas?ni |
gav?? ma???k? dadata? ?at?ni sahasras?ve pra tiranta ?yu? || 7.103.10||
Translation
*[07-103] HYMN CIII. Frogs.*
1. THEY who lay quiet for a year, the Brahmans who fulfil their vows,
The Frogs have lifted up their voice, the voice Parjanya hath inspired.
2 What time on these, as on a dry skin lying in the pool's bed, the floods
of heaven descended,
The music of the Frogs comes forth in concert like the cows lowing with
their calves beside them.
3 When at the coming of the Rains the water has poured upon them as they
yearned and thirsted,
One seeks another as he talks and greets him with cries of pleasure as a son
his father.
4 Each of these twain receives the other kindly, while they are revelling in
the flow of waters,
When the Frog moistened by the rain springs forward, and Green and Spotty
both combine their
voices.
5 When one of these repeats the other's language, as he who learns the
lesson of the teacher,
Your every limb seems to be growing larger as ye converse with eloquence on
the waters.
6 Onc is Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat the other, one Frog is Green and one of
them is Spotty.
They bear one common name, and yet they vary, and, talking, modulate the
voice diversely.
7 As Brahmans, sitting round the brimful vessel, talk at the Soma-rite of
Atiratra,
So, Frogs, ye gather round the pool to honour this day of all the year, the
first of Rain-time.
8 These Brahmans with the Soma juice, performing their year-long rite, have
lifted up their voices;
And these Adhvaryus, sweating with their kettles, come forth and show
themselves, and none are
hidden.
9 They keep the twelve month's God-appointed order, and never do the men
neglect the season.
Soon as the Rain-time in the year returneth, these who were heated kettles
gain their freedom.
10 Cow-bellow and Goat-bleat have granted riches, and Green and Spotty have
vouchsafed us
treasure.
The Frogs who give us cows in hundreds lengthen our lives in this most
fertile season.
Description Frogs at the first Rain Fall as a Vedic Seer visualized them.
There is an episode that the Seer Vasishtha was led to praise these Frogs.
Once he offered a prayer to Parjanya to send rain fall and he was astonished
to see that the frogs around him also greeted him with their loud voice. He
was pleased with the frogs and composed this Sukta in their praise. Hope you
also would like the description. And, in times of draught, this prayer is to
be chanted in the ways prescribed for it with the sacrifice, according to
Shaunaka.
In case any explanation on any word is needed, I shall be only glad to offer
it in my next posting.
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:54:59 +0530
From: hn bhat <hnbha...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] A grammarian reproach some people he disliked -
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????-??????-??? ??????? ???-????????????????
??????-???????-???? ??????? ???? ???????? ??? ? ???
Some people are like (the verbs) ?????? and ??????, which will never possess
any virtue (???) or prosperity (??????). But there are certain people, like
the ?????? suffix, by one in association of with it also will never have
them. (not only the suffix will vanish, but it will make others devoid of
any Guna and Vriddhi).
Note:
Panini prohibits any Guna or Vriddhi (two types inflections to vowels) by
?.?.? ???????????? 1.1.6 d?dh?vev???m to these two verbs. They will never
take anywhere Guna or Vriddhi. In the case of the suffix KVIP, itself
remains as zero morpheme, and makes the word to which it affixed, also not
to have any Guna or Vriddhi in any case. This is the basis for the
imagination for the Grammarian's reproach
Liked it?
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:17:21 -0500
From: "Ambujam Raman" <ambujamra...@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] A grammarian reproach some people he disliked
- retort
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Here is a modification :)
????-??????-??? ??????? ???-????????????????
??? ??? ?????? ???????? ???-??????????????||
Indeed in the Rg veda the dhatu's ?????? and ?????? do undergo ??? and ??????.
Hence the verse is modified to show that even those folks who lack virtue and
prosperity would acquire those qualities when they acquire the vedic contact/
GyAna!
Dr. S. Raman
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: [Sanskrit] A grammarian reproach some people he disliked -
????-??????-??? ??????? ???-????????????????
??????-???????-???? ??????? ???? ???????? ??? ? ???
Some people are like (the verbs) ?????? and ??????, which will never possess
any virtue (???) or prosperity (??????). But there are certain people, like the
?????? suffix, by one in association of with it also will never have them. (not
only the suffix will vanish, but it will make others devoid of any Guna and
Vriddhi).
Note:
Panini prohibits any Guna or Vriddhi (two types inflections to vowels) by
?.?.? ???????????? 1.1.6 d?dh?vev???m to these two verbs. They will never take
anywhere Guna or Vriddhi. In the case of the suffix KVIP, itself remains as
zero morpheme, and makes the word to which it affixed, also not to have any
Guna or Vriddhi in any case. This is the basis for the imagination for the
Grammarian's reproach
Liked it?
--
Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY
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