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1. Fw: Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Gargeshwari Ajit)
2. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Vidya R)
3. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Jay Vaidya)
4. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Mukesh Goel)
5. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Vidya R)
6. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Sai Susarla)
7. Re: specifying language details in the Indian Census form
(Gargeshwari Ajit)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:51:08 +0530 (IST)
From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Fw: Re: specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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Ajit A Gargeshwari
?
"Truth is?ONE without a second"
--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 9:42 PM
Dear Sri Sai
I am aware of waht you are saying and i do totally agree with what you say. I
am even aware of a village in karanataka where everyone speaks sanskrit. My
remarks pertained only to question on census counting and not to the great
glory the language had in the past and its continued relevance to the cultural,
philosophical and historical value the language has now?and its relavance.
Please pardon me if i had not made myself clear.I do stay in Bangalore? and i
just need to go to Bangalore sanskrit collage or vidhyapeetha and i know
sanskrit is spoken as fluently as kannada or their mother tongue.
I feel that sanskrit is directly or indirectly spoken by all over India as
Sanskrit is the mula for most of the Indian languages
Ajit A Gargeshwari
?
"Truth is?ONE without a second"
--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Hera Moon <heram...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Hera Moon <heram...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 8:48 PM
Saiji,
Greetings from Berlin !
I would like to go as far as to say that Sanskrit is the Mother Earth Tongue.
In a quite different matter, I would like to ask a question/favour: I am in
possession of my Bhrgu palm leaf (I was allowed to take a picture). It is
written in what I would say spoken Sanskrit: easy to read with frequent sandhi
and declension errors (written in pre-Panini era?). As for its contents, I dare
to declare it?s divine. Would you be interested to read it and help me
understand the parts whose meaning is still concealed to me?
Hera ?
?
Von: sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] Im
Auftrag von Sai Susarla
Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. April 2010 16:38
An: Sanskrit Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
?
Ajit,
na jaane kasmin loke vasati, para.ntu
yadi utsukaasti, yadi jij~naasurasti, vaastavaM draShTum icChati tarhi eka
vaaram bengaluuru nagaram aagacChatu |
taadR^ishaan janaan shatashaH darshayaami ye kevalam samskR^itam vadanti gR^ihe
|? teShu kevalam samskR^ita paNDitaaH na | teShu tri-varShiiya-baalaaH api
santi, gR^ihiNyaH api santi? | paaNDitya-viShayam tyajatu, kechana lekhitumapi
na jaananti idaanim |
(English translation for those who can't understand the above:)
Dear Ajit,
One can live in one's own world and make any assumptions about the rest of the
world. I don't know which world you live in.
But if you are really interested in finding out the ground reality (as opposed
to merely speculating about it from your world), please come to Bangalore. I
will show you three year old kids who speak samskrit from the time they could
articulate speech, to homemakers who speak only sanskrit in their homes,
nothing else. Forget about scholarship, some don't even know to read and write
yet.
Who knows what can and cannot be claimed? What the Divine Mother Bhaaratii
wills happens, regardless of what mortals fancy in their couches. We are not
limited by our past. Future is made by the present. So, let's not waste our
time debating about sanskrit and tongues but do our part in learning to speak
Her language. From my part, I call samskR^itam, my grandmother tongue.
- Sai.
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
Hi,
In my opinin however passionate we are about sanskrit i think one cannont say i
speak sanskrit, offcource one may spaeak or write in that language only in a
limited scholarly form. Just as nobody says i speak latin, so nobody can say
sanskrit is my Mother Tongue
Ajit A Gargeshwari
?
"Truth is?ONE without a second"
--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "sanskrit" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Cc: sb_marathaha...@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 4:29 PM
?
Today the census person came to our house. There was no slot for specifying
language spoken, let alone mother tongue.
In response to the recent plea by Samskrita priyaaH,
I had asked the person as well as looked at the form for a way to specify
Samskrit as my 1st or 2nd language.
They made me fill two forms - one for people details and a second one for
general details like do you have a gas connection etc. Nothing related to
language.
What is other people's experience in this regard?
- Sai.
?
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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vidya R <imarch...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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Namaste!
I do not currently live in India. Here, in the western hemisphere, 6 years
ago, I had conversationally let drop to my GP that I was learning to speak
Sanskrit. It seems to have entered my 'medical-records'. Every year that I go
back to her, she rattles off my spoken-language list, which, I am proud to say,
includes Sanskrit (justifiably), and I am equally proud to report it is
robustly growing.
Globally speaking, yahoogroups still does not list Sanskrit as a language. But
Google-groups does.
"continued relevance to the cultural, philosophical and historical value " -
Sanskrit is more than that. It has scientific and social value, among others.
It holds the key for finding solutions for current problems - how? I am not
referring to armchair hypothesizing. Sanskrit is a language that inspired a
Paninian thinking that laid out a fool-proof grammar. Going thru Panini and
Adi Sankara's Advaita Vedanta will not hold the solution to String theory,
world peace and economic slumps. But, they can develop analytical skills among
us to address problems we may be grappling with in our professional lives.
This knowledge is accessible to all of us - we do not have to hold doctorates
in linguistics to get to it. It is out there for anybody who shows even the
slightest initiative. Speaking in Samskritam is, by far, the easiest entry
into this world.
No preaching intended!!! Just forcefulness attempted :)
shubham bhavatu |
vidyA
________________________________
From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Sent: Sun, April 18, 2010 12:12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
Dear Sri Sai
I am aware of waht you are saying and i do totally agree with what you say. I
am even aware of a village in karanataka where everyone speaks sanskrit. My
remarks pertained only to question on census counting and not to the great
glory the language had in the past and its continued relevance to the cultural,
philosophical and historical value the language has now and its relavance.
Please pardon me if i had not made myself clear.I do stay in Bangalore and i
just need to go to Bangalore sanskrit collage or vidhyapeetha and i know
sanskrit is spoken as fluently as kannada or their mother tongue.
I feel that sanskrit is directly or indirectly spoken by all over India as
Sanskrit is the mula for most of the Indian languages
Ajit A Gargeshwari
"Truth is ONE without a second"
--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Hera Moon <heram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>From: Hera Moon <heram...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
>To: "'Sanskrit Mailing List'" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
>Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 8:48 PM
>
>
> >
>Saiji,
>Greetings from Berlin !
>I would like to go as far as to say that Sanskrit is the Mother Earth Tongue.
>In a quite different matter, I would like to ask a question/favour: I am in
>possession of my Bhrgu palm leaf (I was allowed to take a picture). It is
>written in what I would say spoken Sanskrit: easy to read with frequent sandhi
>and declension errors (written in pre-Panini era?). As for its contents, I
>dare to declare it?s divine. Would you be interested to read it and help me
>understand the parts whose meaning is still concealed to me?
>Hera
>
>
________________________________
>Von:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu [mailto:sanskrit-boun...@cs.utah.edu] Im
>Auftrag von Sai Susarla
>Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. April 2010 16:38
>An: Sanskrit Mailing List
>Betreff: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
>
>Ajit,
>na jaane kasmin loke vasati, para.ntu
>yadi utsukaasti, yadi jij~naasurasti, vaastavaM draShTum icChati tarhi eka
>vaaram bengaluuru nagaram aagacChatu |
>taadR^ishaan janaan shatashaH darshayaami ye kevalam samskR^itam vadanti
>gR^ihe | teShu kevalam samskR^ita paNDitaaH na | teShu tri-varShiiya-baalaaH
>api santi, gR^ihiNyaH api santi | paaNDitya-viShayam tyajatu, kechana
>lekhitumapi na jaananti idaanim |
>
>(English translation for those who can't understand the above:)
>
>Dear Ajit,
>One can live in one's own world and make any assumptions about the rest of the
>world. I don't know which world you live in.
>But if you are really interested in finding out the ground reality (as opposed
>to merely speculating about it from your world), please come to Bangalore. I
>will show you three year old kids who speak
> samskrit from the time they could articulate speech, to homemakers who speak
> only sanskrit in their homes, nothing else. Forget about scholarship, some
> don't even know to read and write yet.
>
>Who knows what can and cannot be claimed? What the Divine Mother Bhaaratii
>wills happens, regardless of what mortals fancy in their couches. We are not
>limited by our past. Future is made by the present. So, let's not waste our
>time debating about sanskrit and tongues but do our part in learning to speak
>Her language. From my part, I call samskR^itam, my grandmother tongue.
>- Sai.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
>wrote:
>Hi,
>In my opinin however passionate we are about sanskrit i think one cannont say
>i speak sanskrit, offcource one may spaeak or write in that language only in a
>limited scholarly form. Just as nobody says i speak latin, so nobody can say
>sanskrit is my Mother Tongue
>Ajit A Gargeshwari
>
>"Truth is ONE without a second"
>
>
>--- On Sun, 18/4/10, Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
>>Subject: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
>>
>>To: "sanskrit" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
>>Cc: sb_marathaha...@googlegroups.com
>>Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 4:29 PM
>>
>>Today the census person came to our house. There was no slot for specifying
>>language spoken, let alone mother tongue.
>>In response to the recent plea by Samskrita priyaaH,
>>I had asked the person as well as looked at the form for a way to specify
>>Samskrit as my 1st or 2nd language.
>>They made me fill two forms - one for people details and a second one for
>>general details like do you have a gas connection etc. Nothing related to
>>language.
>>What is other people's experience in this regard?
>>- Sai.
>>
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>>To UNSUBSCRIBE or customize your subscription or topics of interest, visit
>>http://mailman.cs.utah.edu/mailman/options/sanskrit
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>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay Vaidya <deejayvai...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually accurate
statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other Indian
languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank than the
three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my part.
It would be different if the census form had a field for "what languages would
you like to speak in addition to your current skills?" In that case I might
consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of languages.
Dhananjay
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:18:38 -0700
From: Mukesh Goel <muk...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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Dhananjay Mahodaya,
I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly claim that
Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to express all their
emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to manage)...Because I think that
is one of the criterion for being a mother tongue.
Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is, probably
can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple. Languages evolve over time
and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid down by Panini (no matter
however grand these sutras are and poets have expressed so many different
branches of knowledge in Sanskrit that it is just amazing to see the capability
of the language), it is difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another
aspect of evolution of the language is that different words in different
regions mean slightly different things and then there are different jargons,
which change the meanings with time and place and still are classified under
that language.
e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in following ways
and probably many more..
1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of these and how well would they
convey the sense of informality. If you speak these sentences to Hindi speaking
people almost everybody can understand the meaning and sense of
formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody speaks equivalent of these in
Sanskrit, would all the Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same
understanding. Of course I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people
can easily come up with at least a dozen variations.
I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I wonder if there
are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit; would they have the
same amount of vocabulary and thought expression capability as other kids in
the same age group, who e.g. know English as their primary language. These kids
can make presentations, make jokes, prepare project report, play games on the
internet, make friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these
varieties can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
Mukesh
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually accurate
statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other Indian
languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank than the
three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my part.
It would be different if the census form had a field for "what languages would
you like to speak in addition to your current skills?" In that case I might
consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of languages.
Dhananjay
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:40:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vidya R <imarch...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
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???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?????? ? ??? ?????????
????????? ??? ? ??? ????????? ????? ???? ?????-??????? ?????????? ??? ?????
????????? ??????? ??? ?????? ? ???????????? ???? ???? ?????? ? ????? ?
??????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? ?????? ?????? ????
??????? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ????? ??? ????? ?-?????
??????????, ???? sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu ????? ??????????| ??? ?????? ?
atra avagamanaM kimarthaM kaThinam? mayA sambhAShaNaM kartum shakyate | ahaM
saMskRutena chintayAmi api | ahaM saMskRtena vadAmi chet katichana-janAnAm
avagamanArthaM mayA etasya sandeshasya anuvAdaH api karaNIyaH | parIkShArtham
aham atra anuvadaM na karomi | anuvAdaM vinA charchA bhavati chet avagamyate
kati janaiH sambhAShaNaM kartuM shakyate iti| atra ekaM laghu gaNanaM kurmaH |
asmin gaNe ye janAH sambhAShaNaM kartum shaknuvanti kRupayA gaNaM prati
e-patraM preShayantu, athavA sanskrit-ow...@cs.utah.edu prati preShayantu.
vayaM gaNayAmaH |
vidyA
________________________________
From: Jay Vaidya <deejayvai...@yahoo.com>
To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 9:32:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually accurate
statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other Indian
languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank than the
three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my part.
It would be different if the census form had a field for "what languages would
you like to speak in addition to your current skills?" In that case I might
consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of languages.
Dhananjay
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:17:09 +0530
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
To: Sanskrit Mailing List <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
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I am going to write only in sanskrit just to keep this discussion more
relevant to this Sanskrit mailing list.
ahaM Samskritam sukhena vaktum shaknomi vaa na vaa iti nirNayaM kaH
karoti? aham vaa, anyaH ko.api vaa?
yadi bhaaratiiya sarkaaraH kartum icChati tarhi pratyekasya pariikShaa
kartavyaa, jana-gaNanaayaaH pUrvaM |
api cha, aham maatR^ibhaaShaayaam niShNaataH chedeva taam maatribhaaShaa
rUpeNa claim kartum shaknomi chet
lakShashaH janaaH asatyam vadanti idaaniim | ahaM bahuun janaan
jaanaami, ye telugu janaaH parantu samyak telugu vaktum na shaknuvanti
(paThanam, lekhanam tyajatu) | telugu bhaaShaayaaH apekShayaa aangle
praaviiNyam adhikam | te sarve english is my mother tongue iti vadeyuH vaa?
api cha, bhavataH saamarthyaM adhikR^itya katham anyeShaaM saamarthyam
estimate kartum shaknoti ?
bhavaan ko bhavati anyaiH census madhye kim vaktavyamiti nirNetum?
yadi bhavaan samskritam maatR^ibhaaShaa iti na manyate tarhi saH
bhavataH vyaktigata nirNayaH | generalize maa karotu |
- Sai.
Mukesh Goel wrote:
> Dhananjay Mahodaya,
>
> I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly
> claim that Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to
> express all their emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to
> manage)...Because I think that is one of the criterion for being a
> mother tongue.
> Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is,
> probably can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple. Languages
> evolve over time and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid down
> by Panini (no matter however grand these sutras are and poets have
> expressed so many different branches of knowledge in Sanskrit that it
> is just amazing to see the capability of the language), it is
> difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another aspect of
> evolution of the language is that different words in different regions
> mean slightly different things and then there are different jargons,
> which change the meanings with time and place and still are classified
> under that language.
> e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in
> following ways and probably many more..
>
>
>
>
> 1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
> 2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
> 3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
> 4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
>
> Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of these and how well
> would they convey the sense of informality. If you speak these
> sentences to Hindi speaking people almost everybody can understand the
> meaning and sense of formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody
> speaks equivalent of these in Sanskrit, would all the
> Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same understanding. Of course
> I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people can easily come up
> with at least a dozen variations.
>
> I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I wonder
> if there are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit; would
> they have the same amount of vocabulary and thought expression
> capability as other kids in the same age group, who e.g. know English
> as their primary language. These kids can make presentations, make
> jokes, prepare project report, play games on the internet, make
> friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these varieties
> can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
>
> Mukesh
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
> From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
> Census form
>
> For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually
> accurate statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
>
> I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other
> Indian languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
>
> I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank
> than the three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my
> part.
>
> It would be different if the census form had a field for "what
> languages would you like to speak in addition to your current skills?"
> In that case I might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of
> languages.
>
> Dhananjay
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:37:48 +0530 (IST)
From: Gargeshwari Ajit <ajitga_...@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
Census form
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Sri Dhananjay Mahodaya, exactly expresses what every ordinary person feels
about the language. Its a false claim to say sanskrit is any speakers or
readers?mothertongue. one can ask any expert?on this. It is one thing to make a
child or group speak a language artificially and another to learn a language
naturally by listning and being to able to continuously modify and evolve a
language.( Speaking and writing is one thing totally different from thinking in
a language)?One may find equivalent for several english words in sanskrit but
if one translates foreign words into sanskrit just to make sanskrit usefull may
not serve any purpose.
?
The language?was not widely and understood because the so called custodians of
the language didnot do their job well in the past. I think even in the ancient
times and middle ages no one said sanskrit was their mother tongue because
women were forbidden to learn sanskrit. ( They only claimed divinity for the
language).One may quote isolated cases of women rishis and scholars but that
will prove nothing much.
?How can a language evolve and grow natuarally when women who teach their
children a language were not allwed to hear or learn a language. Now when
modern sholarship and research has found out the greatness of the language a
few isolated efforts are being made to save the language which is good.
In my view if one wants more people to study learn and appriciate this great
language then more and more scholars will have come out of their scholarly
chairs and popularise the language at elementary schools, collage and
university levels Everyone of us who love the language need to encourage more
and more people to speak and study in that language in a simple and easy way.
If an individual or a small set of people can speak or write in sanskrit
language the numbers will never be of any relavence to any census. Goverment
policies change if common will of the a large number of people is demonstrated
in learning, speaking and studing is sanskrit language and not just by
passoionate appeals or just by glorifing a paninini or Chanakya. If one reads
sanskrit literature philosophy and works of science there hundreds more who
existed do exist whose contribution is no meager.
I can write ans speak more if members are interested
?
?Ajit A Gargeshwari
"Truth is?ONE without a second"
--- On Tue, 20/4/10, Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sai Susarla <sai.susa...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian Census form
To: "Sanskrit Mailing List" <sanskrit@cs.utah.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 10:17 AM
I am going to write only in sanskrit just to keep this discussion more
relevant to this Sanskrit mailing list.
ahaM Samskritam sukhena vaktum shaknomi vaa na vaa iti nirNayaM kaH
karoti? aham vaa, anyaH ko.api vaa?
yadi bhaaratiiya sarkaaraH kartum icChati tarhi pratyekasya pariikShaa
kartavyaa, jana-gaNanaayaaH pUrvaM |
api cha, aham maatR^ibhaaShaayaam niShNaataH chedeva taam maatribhaaShaa
rUpeNa claim kartum shaknomi chet
lakShashaH janaaH asatyam vadanti? idaaniim | ahaM bahuun janaan
jaanaami, ye telugu janaaH parantu samyak telugu vaktum na shaknuvanti
(paThanam, lekhanam tyajatu) | telugu bhaaShaayaaH apekShayaa aangle
praaviiNyam adhikam | te sarve english is my mother tongue iti vadeyuH vaa?
api cha, bhavataH saamarthyaM adhikR^itya katham anyeShaaM saamarthyam
estimate kartum shaknoti ?
bhavaan ko bhavati anyaiH census madhye kim vaktavyamiti nirNetum?
yadi bhavaan samskritam maatR^ibhaaShaa iti na manyate tarhi saH
bhavataH vyaktigata nirNayaH | generalize maa karotu |
- Sai.
Mukesh Goel wrote:
> Dhananjay Mahodaya,
>?
> I agree with you and I wonder how many people in India would truly
> claim that Sanskrit is the most comfortable language for them to
> express all their emotions/thoughts (not just merely being able to
> manage)...Because I think that is one of the criterion for being a
> mother tongue.
> Also I think that Sanskrit, as the almost perfect language it is,
> probably can't be the mother-tongue. My reasoning is simple. Languages
> evolve over time and if Sanskrit is always defined by rules laid down
> by Panini (no matter however grand these sutras are and? poets have
> expressed so many different branches of knowledge in Sanskrit that it
> is just amazing to see the capability of the language), it is
> difficult to imagine it as a mother tongue. Another aspect of
> evolution of the language is that different words in different regions
> mean slightly different things and then there are different jargons,
> which change the meanings with time and place and still are classified
> under that language.
> e.g. in Hindi a similar-in-meaning sentence can be expressed in
> following ways and probably many more..
>
>
>?
>
> 1. ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????
> 2. ??? ??? ???? ??? ???
> 3. ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ??
> 4. ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??
>?
> Not sure what would be sanskrit equivalents of these and how well
> would they convey the sense of informality. If you speak these
> sentences to Hindi speaking people almost everybody can understand the
> meaning and sense of formality/closeness, these convey. If somebody
> speaks equivalent of these in Sanskrit, would all the
> Sanskrit-speaking people would have the same understanding. Of course
> I have only given 4 variations but I am sure people can easily come up
> with at least a dozen variations.
>?
> I have heard that their are children who only speak sanskrit. I wonder
> if there are such 6-7 year old children, only speaking sanskrit; would
> they have the same amount of vocabulary and thought expression
> capability as other kids in the same age group, who e.g. know English
> as their primary language. These kids can make presentations, make
> jokes, prepare project report, play games on the internet, make
> friends, pick a quarrel etc. Not sure how many of all these varieties
> can be performed by only-sanskrit-speaking-kids.
>?
> Mukesh
>?
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> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:32:54 -0700
> From: deejayvai...@yahoo.com
> To: sanskrit@cs.utah.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] specifying language details in the Indian
> Census form
>
> For the purpose of the census, I would probably give a factually
> accurate statement regarding the languages I speak at home.
>
> I speak my regional language with my mother and my father. Other
> Indian languages that I speak with confidence are Hindi and English.
>
> I am an elementary student of Sanskrit, moving it to a higher rank
> than the three languages mentioned above would be merely lying on my
> part.
>
> It would be different if the census form had a field for "what
> languages would you like to speak in addition to your current skills?"
> In that case I might consider answering "Sanskrit" within a list of
> languages.
>
> Dhananjay
>
>
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