Re: [9fans] Announcing Vim for Plan 9

2008-03-13 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cpu% grep home crash.txt take me back home http://mirtchovski.com/screenshots/ffmpeg.gif A question in total innocence: What does Vim really buy you? it buys you a negative. I won't have to hear people whine any more about

Re: [9fans] Eeepc

2008-03-26 Thread ron minnich
I was not sure what was on there but found http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?act=Print;f=8;t=19312 Posted by 9a6or on Nov. 18 2007,05:25 lspci in DSL gives: Code Sample :00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 2590 (rev 04) :00:02.0 VGA compatible

[9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with srv and rio

2008-03-30 Thread ron minnich
I've been wanting a desktop calculator for some time. I'm sitting on the plane, trying to avoid real work, and decided to see if I could do this: 1. put a dc behind /srv/desk 2. start a rio in a window 3. window 1 becomes cat /srv/desk 4. other windows are stupid programs that, on mouse click,

Re: [9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with srv and rio

2008-03-31 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Federico G. Benavento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about: % dc [0=1] | echo 0 /srv/desk well I knew somebody would tell me how to do this. Damn. Nice. ron

Re: [9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with srv and rio

2008-03-31 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Federico G. Benavento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 graphical calculators for Plan 9. http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/demos/suzuki/s41.html neat. But I like the perversity of using a window manager as my control process. For example, for a memory value, I can

Re: [9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with srv and rio

2008-03-31 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: what about: % dc [0=1] | echo 0 /srv/desk Does that even do anything? You can't pipe to echo, can you? try it first then send email. Try, try, try.

Re: [9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with

2008-04-01 Thread ron minnich
btw another nice thing about having a desk calculator with the fd hanging out in /srv/desk: I can have any process (awk pipeline) feed commands into /srv/desk and have it pop up in my desk calculator. Don't know why I didn't do this before. Also, it would be easy to drop three dc processes at the

Re: [9fans] silliness in flight: build a desktop calculator with

2008-04-01 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't plumbing be better for this sort of thing? yeah, good idea, you could prepend calculations with a string. But more important is that your calculator needs to have a channel that is global and available to

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-03 Thread ron minnich
Actually I got concerned about other big problems with echo. It was pointed out on this list that this was confusing: whatever | echo 0 /srv/whatever I mean, how can you pipe to echo? So I have a fixed version. Now, the sequence above will check fd 0 in the namespace. If it is a pipe, it will

Re: [9fans] p9_errstr2errno unknown mode

2008-04-07 Thread ron minnich
Unless this file got truncated, all I see here are walks and stats and clunks of a file, nothing more (I used wireshark to walk the file -- it breaks out 9p pretty nicely). I don't see any twstat or open or create ... Am I missing something? ron

Re: [9fans] p9_errstr2errno unknown mode

2008-04-07 Thread ron minnich
btw, this 'unkown mode' -- what is all this you wonder? what's p9_errstr2errno: errstr :unknown mode: not found Not found? Huh? This is the errstr (from plan 9) to errno (for ancient, primitive OSes that don't have errstr, i.e. 'all of them'). I see in fossil/9p.c this for create:

Re: [9fans] p9_errstr2errno unknown mode

2008-04-07 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Matthias Teege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ; cp /n/crn/usr/mtg/testmail.txt /tmp ; cp /tmp/testmail.txt /n/crn/usr/mtg/testmail2.txt I'm more confused. You get the same error for each of these? to sum up: these are running on linux. First is copy from remote

Re: [9fans] p9_errstr2errno unknown mode

2008-04-07 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Matthias Teege [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ; cp /n/crn/usr/mtg/testmail.txt /tmp ; cp /tmp/testmail.txt /n/crn/usr/mtg/testmail2.txt sorry, being dumb, time to go to bed. So the trace clearly shows the first one succeeding. There's never any sign that the

Re: [9fans] FTQ benchmark available

2008-04-10 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:15 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two upticks on the top one usually mean trouble with the timer. I can't imagine why it is happening. missyncronized tsc? Good possibility, but without knowing what it was run on it's hard to say. Obviously, we

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 refuses to boot from iMac

2008-04-17 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rEFIT fails me. Back to waiting. send the mac to me. I will fix it as I fixed Gorka's mac. ron

Re: [9fans] new lguest port available

2008-04-23 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Juan M. Mendez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested Ron, Any change to thnx to get it working with new lguest? have not tested with full up thnx yet. I am going to pull down a release 2.6.25 and make sure it still works with that.

Re: [9fans] new lguest port available

2008-04-23 Thread ron minnich
oh yes, to install lguest, you MUST: modprobe lg syscall_vector=64 This sets the right syscall vector. ron

Re: [9fans] new lguest port available

2008-04-23 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:22 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just put it up on a tee: why not use aoe? I had not even thought of that. How do you recommend setting it up? ron

Re: [9fans] A new language for Plan 9

2008-05-01 Thread ron minnich
you can do what you will, with your indentation-based language, but that won't change the fact that indentation for lexical scope is a horrible idea. I first saw it in a language in 1978 called Offal, by Aron Insinga. Aron was smart: after 6 weeks, he said, this sucks, and put it away. When I saw

Re: [9fans] A new language for Plan 9

2008-05-01 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, John Barham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I first saw it in a language in 1978 called Offal, by Aron Insinga. Well with a name like Offal at least he wasn't setting expectations too high... Just about as high as Python went, it turns out :-) ron

Re: [9fans] xen - direct 9p channel

2008-05-07 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found some discussions about an direct 9P channel in xen (so all devices can be served from dom0 via 9P, w/o hw emulation). Does anyone know some bit more about this ? it's an ericvh and lucho project, and it will be

Re: [9fans] plan9port: split into several packages

2008-05-10 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, as some of you already might know, Gentoo has plan9port (in the plan9 overlay), splitted into several packages. But it builds the whole p9p for the each single package (and just copies out the relevant

[9fans] running in AMDs simnow

2008-05-13 Thread ron minnich
I'm trying to get plan 9 to boot in AMDs simnow as part of tracking a weird problem. There's some weird issue between simnow and 9load. Here is what happens, on floppy or iso: initial probe, to find plan9.ini... I then see 661,504 reads (in the case of the ISO) or few number of reads (in the

Re: [9fans] running in AMDs simnow

2008-05-13 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mount /srv/9660 /n/9660 /dev/sdC0/data This one lost me completely. /dev/sdC0/data? That's an iso on your system? ron

Re: [9fans] some x86 Segment descriptor experiments

2008-05-13 Thread ron minnich
it seems reasonable on first glance. What's the stack barf look like? ron

Re: [9fans] running in AMDs simnow

2008-05-15 Thread ron minnich
I love it. 9load is dying in real mode on: 1000:012C B80800 mov ax,0008 1000:012F 8ED8 mov ds,ax ^^^ takes a triple fault, which is interesting, as vm is not on. But this is kind of intriguing because that's not how I

[9fans] drawterm and linux

2008-05-16 Thread ron minnich
something seems not quite right. Or maybe I'm just missing something. in drawterm, fcp (or cp) xyz /mnt/term/tmp is now running at about 5 kilobits/sec. That is not a typo. I'm must wondering if anyone else is seeing this kind of performance. I'm seeing from a very recent copy from swtch.com,

Re: [9fans] Xen Installation

2008-05-19 Thread ron minnich
here's the best help I can give: don't use xen. Use qemu, kvm, or lguest, all of which are far easier to set up. thanks ron p.s. I wrote the first Xen port. If Xen had not turned bad, I would not be giving you this advice.

Re: [9fans] Xen Installation

2008-05-19 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Curt Micol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you explain what 'turned bad' and why you no longer prefer xen? This is just for my own curiosity, I'd like to hear your opinion. I'll also begin looking through the archives to see if I missed something there.

Re: [9fans] A shot in the dark

2008-05-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I wasn't around that time :-) But I was looking for the Hello World X11 paper a while back, which was pre-website USENIX. But on the USENIX website it seems that you can purchase papers from before 1991(?). Perhaps

Re: [9fans] A shot in the dark

2008-05-27 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Bakul Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not quite the same but perhaps you are thinking of Hardware Profiling of Kernels by Andrew McRae in Winter 1993 usenix. From his paper: it's good enough, and my memory probably is bad enough that this is the right one.

Re: [9fans] OT: supporting multiple VGA cards (was A shot in the dark)

2008-05-28 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in connecting more than one graphics adapter so that one can be dedicated to low level diagnostics (rather than the more usual dual head user interface).. but I am not sure how the hardware deals with that

[9fans] www.9grid.net

2008-05-29 Thread ron minnich
is back. it was drop shipped from NM to CA. by which I mean it was dropped, then shipped. and it survived. Let's all thank lbl.gov for hosting 9grid.net ron

Re: [9fans] read/write offset hack

2008-05-30 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Nyang A. Phra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poking around Plan 9 and 9P, I was wondering whether it would be a neat hack or some sort of abuse to read and write dynamically served files at different offsets to get different semantics, instead of reading and writing

Re: [9fans] when is a branch not a branch?

2008-06-02 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't try this with 8a. 8a is too damn smart no, it's simply following instructions. i meant that as praise for 8a if that came across wrong. ron

Re: [9fans] crosstool fails on gentoo

2008-06-02 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Iruata Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any solaris boxes to play now, but I remember when taking a dtrace course - more or less two years ago - that I managed to see the performance of a nice machine go down only by setting all it's tracing points.

Re: [9fans] when is a branch not a branch?

2008-06-02 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't try this with 8a. 8a is too damn smart no, it's simply following instructions. i meant that as praise for 8a if that came across wrong. not at all: i meant that as a description of 8a's algorithm to eliminate

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, is anyone already working on an venti-based storage format which is optimized for streaming ? ah, well, what's this mean? What kind of data rate are you looking at? ron

[9fans] Fwd: [Fwd: [sc08committee] FW: High Performance Computing Ph.D. Fellowship Applications due 9/8]

2008-06-07 Thread ron minnich
FYI. Please note that this is international. thanks ron -- Forwarded message -- From: ronald g. minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:14 PM Subject: [Fwd: [sc08committee] FW: High Performance Computing Ph.D. Fellowship Applications due 9/8] To: ron minnich

Re: [9fans] Laptop advice

2008-06-07 Thread ron minnich
I just got a fujitsu lifebook, which seems to be mostly compatible, or used to be. ron

[9fans] don't do too much when hungry

2008-06-07 Thread ron minnich
forget silly qemu question. The footprint of plan 9 has grown and I had not realized how tiny my memory was set. Sorry for noise, please change channel. ron

Re: [9fans] pnp factotum from linux to plan 9: site-specific password failures.

2008-06-16 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p9skclient: gettickets: Connection timed out Aha! Factotum uses ndb (the library, not the program) to map from auth domain to auth server. If it can't find a mapping, it tries to use the auth domain as a machine name

Re: [9fans] P9p's mount(1) on linux

2008-06-20 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucho had a mount helper at one time that was able to use p9p to authenticate when necessary -- this would be a nice feature to include in the mount helper but is difficult to include without p9p as a dependency.

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread ron minnich
building on x86 64 bit. first issue is that I get this:make: vx32-gcc: Command not found second is that I get this: gcc -Ilibvx32 -c -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I. -o libvx32/linux.o libvx32/linux.c libvx32/linux.c: In function `vx32_sighandler': libvx32/linux.c:254: error: structure has no member

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:57 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: building on x86 64 bit. first issue is that I get this:make: vx32-gcc: Command not found second is that I get this: gcc -Ilibvx32 -c -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I. -o libvx32/linux.o libvx32/linux.c libvx32/linux.c

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread ron minnich
I'm on this 32 bit machine using vx32. Wow, nice. Boots like a bat. now all I want is my fossil and venti :-) This is really sweet. I think we've got an easy way to show people Plan 9 now. thanks Russ! ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx

2008-06-27 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Brian L. Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason you couldn't put block special files for disk partitions in the 9vx directory and put the arenas, etc there, assuming of course all the permissions were set right? I

[9fans] 9vx problem with venti

2008-06-30 Thread ron minnich
on .10, I can run venti/venti. on .11, it locks up 9vx quite thoroughly after it prints init If you resize the window it is filled with garbage. Under strace I can see it taking the timer interrupts. Linux xcpu 2.6.25 #6 SMP Tue May 27 09:46:16 PDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Sorry I don't

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-06-30 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:21 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this slashdot article almost asks for cpu functionality for plan 9 by name. actually, this the scenario for which we designed xcpu, almost exactly. Mount, start up, disconnect, come back later ... I've used it this way.

Re: [9fans] 9vx problem with venti

2008-06-30 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you invoke it with the -A flag, then it will go into a sleep loop on panic (-A stands for abort, but that didn't work very well on OS X). You can then attach with gdb and get a stack trace or look at what the other

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-06-30 Thread ron minnich
well, Eris, it is quite possible that you're right. It is also possible that you never quite got it. Or both are possible. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx problem with venti

2008-06-30 Thread ron minnich
I just pulled the hg and built 9vx from sources. venti copy has not died yet. :-) ron

Re: [9fans] double sleep

2008-07-01 Thread ron minnich
Thread 8 (Thread -1759208560 (LWP 2898)): #0 0xb7f2e424 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0x4e6f7a43 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x4117fa99 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 #3 0x4117fe7f in _XRead () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 #4 0x411816bb in _XReadEvents () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 #5

[9fans] kind of interesting

2008-07-02 Thread ron minnich
our power grid in the US is, well, interesting: http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/hkhurana/IFIP_CIP_08.pdf yowie. ron

Re: [9fans] 118 acme fault 0 no segment -- seeing a lot of simliar things this morning.

2008-07-02 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this another out of memory? This happened on a mk clean on kernel source It would not surprise me if the new pager (post-0.12) caused the problem, but in order for that to happen the kernel would have had to print

Re: [9fans] 118 acme fault 0 no segment -- seeing a lot of simliar

2008-07-02 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:40 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a bigger question, now that I've read the paper and briefly scanned the code. Do you have some thoughts on the long term ability of vx32 to get close to unity performance on a system (like Plan 9) with a high rate

Re: [9fans] 9vx.OSX bug: resize on second display causes window to go wrong

2008-07-03 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there was a single codebase shared across projects none of this would be an issue at all. you are right but it's a hard problem, we're all tight for time, so the only fix is for somebody to step up and do it. But your question,

[9fans] lguest fixed

2008-07-03 Thread ron minnich
I got annoyed with the idea of lguest being broken, I was stuck on a long flight, so I redid l.s and fixed it. The new l.s has the improvements from sources, mainly the 8M pte map instead of the earlier 4M pte map. it's also seriously cleaned up to take into account the new lguest improvements

[9fans] look and feel for iwp9

2008-07-03 Thread ron minnich
noble goal: look like plan 9 docs ways to goal: 1. troff 2. tex with the right macros 3. lyx with the right layouts so I have this paper written in lyx, if anyone has a pointer to (3), let me know ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx dns funny

2008-07-06 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 8:56 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally, i feel it would be more useful to be able to use plan 9's native network stack. but i'm biased. i want to send aoe/cec/il packets. Part of the reason I have not stopped using lguest, although now I use both

Re: [9fans] cloud computing

2008-07-07 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:27 AM, andrey mirtchovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is your app export-controlled? No. That was the first thought that hit my mind. ron

Re: [9fans] why not Lvx for Plan 9?

2008-07-08 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:04 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if that's the argument, wouldn't it make sense to get rid of plan 9? Think of 9vx and lguest and friends as software tools. Software tools did a lot to popularize the ideas of Unix, and made it easier for people to

Re: [9fans] why not Lvx for Plan 9?

2008-07-08 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:15 PM, William Josephson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found setting up diskless boot with Linux to be a major pain with most of the common distributions. yes, they all suck. Try this: onesis.org for a reasonable system, used at sandia on a 4096-node cluster. for

Re: [9fans] why not Lvx for Plan 9?

2008-07-08 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:01 PM, don bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Linux use symlinks. Is there a way to make symlinks on the Plan 9 filesystem and make them accessible with NFS? The kernel probably doesn't care. Symlinks are just files whose contents are another file's path. As long as

Re: [9fans] why not Lvx for Plan 9?

2008-07-08 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now you need extended attributes in order to support SElinux or RedHat behaves weirdly. It really never does end. unless we all get smart and go into banking. ron

Re: [9fans] why not Lvx for Plan 9?

2008-07-11 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Kernel Panic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ron minnich wrote: futex? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futex so do we need a futtocks device? i think this can be implemented without any additional devices... wtf? what the futex? I was mainly joking. I

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:41 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as you've pointed out, performance-wise it's not copying vs. nothing it's copying vs page faults and trips through the vm code. i would think playing vm games (as linus likes to say) would make scheduling on mp harder

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

2008-07-17 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:45 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i haven't found this to be the case. it's not always the case. in a former life, one i'd rather forget, i did full text search. in order to return the full text, we had to go get the document. due to the very

Re: [9fans] good fun

2008-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:49 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very, very cool. thanks for the link, ron. i wonder if richard feynman (who is mentioned) might have criticized the ops/s vs. time graph on p. 5 for being overly fit to one end point -- the accounting machines in the

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:20 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but what i'd really like is a drawterm replacement with its own local devices. without local devices, there isn't much of an advantage over drawterm — unless your cpu server many ms away. graphics over the internet can

Re: [9fans] 9vx and local file systems

2008-07-18 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:31 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's the advantage over drawterm in this configuration? latency. The interactive program (e.g. acme) is on my machine, not on a remote machine. Rio is local. And so on. ron

Re: [9fans] lguest port broken due to some change in last 6 months; any ideas?

2008-07-25 Thread ron minnich
note that you really need to run latest now, e.g. 2.6.25 with the newest lguest port. ron

Re: [9fans] lguest port broken due to some change in last 6 months; any ideas?

2008-07-25 Thread ron minnich
it's fixed for me, the new code is on sources or so I recall. I just ran it yesterday. Someone else reported a problem, I don't have time to work on it until next week. thanks ron

[9fans] qemu: somebody give bellard a canonical image?

2008-07-25 Thread ron minnich
so it can go here: http://bellard.org/qemu/download.html might as well make it available .. ron

Re: [9fans] bundle //GO.SYSIN DD

2008-07-28 Thread ron minnich
more useless crap from memory: the actual correct usage is //GO.SYSIN DD * but of course the * would make things messy. See this and realize this stuff is still being taught! http://www.coba.unt.edu/itds/courses/bcis3690/bcis3690.htm ron

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-07-29 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can't make the assumption that a file is local in *ix, either. in fact, for the last 20 years, every program run on a sunos/solaris machine has used mmap for the exec. ron

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
In the HPC world, there is lots of conservatism. There is an editor at LANL, named Fred, written in Fortran, that has been in use for longer than most of you have been alive. Until very recently, it was a required part of any HPC system. So, we're doing a binary compatibility module so we can run

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Steven D. Vormwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So would developers on this platform be encouraged to use languages and features currently in plan 9 for HPC development, or would they target existing HPC languages and features, which would be added to plan 9,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just a dumb question, as i'm totally out of this business, it is easier to write an emulator than translate the applications to plan9 c ? (for example) or to write (or port) the C++ and Fortran compilers and related tools?

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM, don bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you elaborate here? What tricks can the IBM compilers use that the Plan 9 ones can't? Are we talking optimization? yes. Quite impressive optimization. Which results in very high measured performance. At least when I've

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:36 PM, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is there any traction to use the new platform, or is it mostly just people running their familiar apps and writing new apps for their familiar programming environment? There are always users who are adventurous. I'm

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:48 PM, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Plan 9 Port help? I mean, libthread on Plan 9 Port alone could be worth a ton to me in some situations. Concurrent programming for the win? probably not for this community. When we had plan9port in xcpu we got

[9fans] a question on style

2008-07-31 Thread ron minnich
For some time now, over 10 years anyway, the GNU world has been using the linker to create initialized structs, viz: static const struct cpu_driver driver __cpu_driver = { .ops = cpu_dev_ops, .id_table = cpu_table, }; (this from linuxbios) The __cpu_driver is passed to the linker

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-31 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of higher levels of abstraction: given some scientific code i've seen (before this, nothing to do with the things running on Blue Gene), i'd observe that fixing some of the algorithms used (which is

Re: [9fans] a question on style

2008-07-31 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:04 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, am I just out of date or is there a real reason for linker sets?This question just came up in linuxbios v3 and I am wondering if I am a stubborn old coot (likely) or if there really is merit to my dislike of linker

Re: [9fans] a question on style

2008-07-31 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:17 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, am I just out of date or is there a real reason for linker sets?This question just came up in linuxbios v3 and I am wondering if I am a stubborn old coot (likely) or if there really is merit to my dislike of

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-07-31 Thread ron minnich
here is a thought: the kernel does mmap for code/data. This is because we think of a file as a segment of data that somehow maps well to a segment of memory. You wouldn't execute code from a stream, now, would you? Well, this: http://www.ambric.com/ has hardware channels. And you can call from

Re: [9fans] mmap

2008-08-02 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Richard Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has hardware channels. And you can call from channel and execute code being sent down a channel to you from another cpu. ... it's a very interesting architecture, to say the least. For me anyway the most novel thing I've

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-19 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Wendell xe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seeking an alternative to vi and emacs, I've been giving Acme a try (acme-sac, actually). After reading the articles and man pages and playing with it for a few days, I'll admit I don't see how Acme could be even remotely

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A correction: Mea culpa. UNIX systems apparently force processes to share a single network stack, gee how about that? Isn't it nice to acquire knowledge and *then* post? but that can be changed:

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically, a terminal should not hold _any_ information on its users. Where does the security of not keeping authentication information on a so-called terminal go when you _keep_ it on the terminal? But with multiple

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

2008-08-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Eris Discordia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it _that_ annoying to you? I could just keep silent if it is so, no booting required. goodness, it's not annoying. It's just a waste of breath, bandwidth, and bytes. Why not go do some reading and stop wasting all

Re: [9fans] IDE socketed FLASH memory

2008-08-23 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:04 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can read and write the entire image using dd(1), irrespective of geometry and I have used disksim to build an image using the second geometry, but installing this on the flash has not made it possible to boot a Plan 9

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-24 Thread ron minnich
OK, I see this note and am sorry this is not working well for you. I will try again this week to get this going. It's harder now as I'm now on a 64-bit machine and 64-bit lguest is not there. But I'll try to get you an answer. Sorry ron

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-24 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Alex Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I've done so far (maybe it's excessive list every single step, but just in case...): not at all! 1. Grab relevant files. - Download 9lguestcpu.2.6.25.elf and RUNLGUEST from Ron's contrib directory - Get

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-25 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:56 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have gotten the lguest port working on the 2.6.25.0 kernel, it works mighty fine here. The load issue for me is only on plan9, on the host I can see with 'top' that the lguest guest isn't consuming all the

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-25 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:52 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:56 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have gotten the lguest port working on the 2.6.25.0 kernel, it works mighty fine here. The load issue for me is only on plan9, on the host I

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-25 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:59 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it any event, fixing timesync properly is likely to fix the excessive load problem. good to know. I probably jumped to the wrong conclusion. ron

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-25 Thread ron minnich
I just realized that even one timesync is too much. You should not run any at all. The hardware clock is set from Linux and I don't even allow it to be set. It makes no sense to do that. So don't let timesync run. thanks ron

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-27 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:44 PM, John Soros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, still, it would be great to know how to set the time, as my time is way off (by more than 4 hours). What's the time on your host (Linux) look like? Are you sure it's not a time zone setup issue? Is it always four hours?

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