Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread nick rundy
There are a lot of other applications that benefit from the additional space afforded by merging the titlebar and menubar into the panel besides the web-browser. Nautilus, media players, music players, word processors, e-mail clients, text editors, burning software, etc. Not all applications

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread Luke Benstead
On 5 April 2011 13:47, nick rundy nru...@hotmail.com wrote: There are a lot of other applications that benefit from the additional space afforded by merging the titlebar and menubar into the panel besides the web-browser. Nautilus, media players, music players, word processors, e-mail clients,

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew Laignel
There are several large, glaring, problems with the global menu as I see it: Menu's are outdated. It's clear from the last few years that menus as we know it are playing a more diminished role. Large amounts of applications simply don't use them as they are largely a crutch for poor UI design.

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread Kévin PEIGNOT
Le 05/04/2011 14:47, nick rundy a écrit : There are a lot of other applications that benefit from the additional space afforded by merging the titlebar and menubar into the panel besides the web-browser. Nautilus, media players, music players, word processors, e-mail clients, text editors,

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread giff gill
On 4/5/2011 2:47 PM, nick rundy wrote: For example, Unity has the 1.) panel, 2.) web-browser tabbar, and 3.) web-browser URL bar. A default install of Windows has the 1.) Windows taskbar, 2.) web-browser URL bar, and 3.) web-browser tabbar, and 4.) the titlebar if the tabs are not placed over

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread giff gill
On 4/5/2011 3:02 PM, Andrew Laignel wrote: What the global menu does is take this decision away from the application developer and basically says 'you are getting a menu, tough'. It wouldn't be too bad but do not forget that this decision will have ramifications for Ubuntu for at least a

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread giff gill
On 4/5/2011 12:51 AM, Ian Santopietro wrote: Even if they did break each other, changing the entire interface on a per app basis isn't a good idea either, as that would create huge inconsistencies. I don't think we need a placeholder menu for windows that don't otherwise have a menu, but getting

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread Andrew Laignel
Actually you can stick the windows bar on the left and get pretty much the same effect as unity. Looking at my colleagues W7 machine (I have a Mac) running Firefox 4, maximized it has tabs-on-top with no menu. You can do dock-on-the-left with OSX too. I think the thinking behind the bar at the

[Ayatana] Novell Evolution, and just how awesome it is.

2011-04-05 Thread ikt
Some prominent software featured in Ubuntu as currently reviewed in the Ubuntu Software Centre: Chromium - 4.5 | 69 ratings Firefox - 4.5/5 | 44 ratings Banshee - 4.5/5 | 38 ratings LibreOffice Writer - 4.5/5 | 14 ratings Shotwell - 4.5/5 | 12 ratings Transmission Bittorrent Client - 4.5/5 | 12

Re: [Ayatana] Merging libindicate into libnotify

2011-04-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Conscious User wrote on 01/04/11 18:57: The idea that all non-immediate notifications should be grouped together in a single place, regardless of topic, is very much like the idea that progress for all long-running tasks should be grouped

Re: [Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Gorski wrote on 04/04/11 19:55: I recently installed Natty on my machine and I was really impressed by how far Unity has come. Everything is smooth and I have almost no crashes. The interface is also very clean. The only item that stands out

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 giff g wrote on 04/04/11 16:24: Here are some reasons why I think the application menu in unity as it is now is a failed attempt at improving the user experience in Ubuntu. 1) Primary target of Ubuntu Unity are _net_books, accordingly the most

Re: [Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-05 Thread Ingo Gerth
It might be an interesting idea to highlight the current selection in alt-tab by a similar effect that is currently shown when pressing alt-F1. The window(s) corresponding to the application would then be shown on the right hand side of the launcher, with the launcher being permanently visible.

Re: [Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-05 Thread Ian Santopietro
What about using Alt+Tab to call up the Window preview (Copy Super+W). Continuing to press the key combo would highlight the next/previous window in the sequence, and when you let go of Alt, it goes to the currently highlighted window? On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:05, Ingo Gerth i...@gerth-ac.de

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-05 Thread giff gill
On 4/5/2011 5:38 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 giff g wrote on 04/04/11 16:24: Here are some reasons why I think the application menu in unity as it is now is a failed attempt at improving the user experience in Ubuntu. 1) Primary target of

Re: [Ayatana] Design problem: Menus hidden by default in Unity

2011-04-05 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 23:38 -0300, Conscious User wrote: I should mention, though, that in my opinion the fact that Unity merges the titlebar with the panel makes the dragging slightly more intuitive: you drag the titlebar to the thing it's going to be merged to. Perhaps *too* slightly to

[Ayatana] Novell Evolution, and just how awesome it is.

2011-04-05 Thread Spike Burch
-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch spi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Novell Evolution, and just how awesome it is. To: i...@ikt.id.au Part of the problem is that the rest of the email clients available also suck, and evolution is

[Ayatana] Compiz default animations are too fast

2011-04-05 Thread Melvin Garcia
Hi guys/gals. My name is Melvin Garcia, and I'm new to the list. I was comparing Mac's Quartz and Windows' Aero animations to Ubuntu's default animation settings and noticed a few things. First of all Ubuntu's animations are too fast, to the point of being almost invisible and in some cases

Re: [Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ted/indicator-session/lp745323 into lp:indicator-session

2011-04-05 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
Review: Approve review approve -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-session/lp745323/+merge/56285 Your team ayatana-commits is subscribed to branch lp:indicator-session. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-commits Post to :

Re: [Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ken-vandine/indicator-me/lp_746962 into lp:indicator-me

2011-04-05 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
Review: Approve review approve -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/indicator-me/lp_746962/+merge/56209 Your team ayatana-commits is subscribed to branch lp:indicator-me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-commits Post to :

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ted/indicator-datetime/full-day-events into lp:indicator-datetime

2011-04-05 Thread Ted Gould
Ted Gould has proposed merging lp:~ted/indicator-datetime/full-day-events into lp:indicator-datetime. Requested reviews: Karl Lattimer (karl-qdh) For more details, see: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-datetime/full-day-events/+merge/56464 I think this handles the full day events.

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ted/indicator-session/lp745323 into lp:indicator-session

2011-04-05 Thread noreply
The proposal to merge lp:~ted/indicator-session/lp745323 into lp:indicator-session has been updated. Status: Needs review = Merged For more details, see: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-session/lp745323/+merge/56285 --