Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
An obvious point. OK what about tagging. Sky At Night in HD could be tagged as Science, Space, Astronomy, HD, (PatrickMoore? he is a tag in his own right). I got the hang of tags on delicious a few years back and like the way I can follow different subjects. Although I don't know how many others use tags this way. Geoff On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:01, Ben Weiner wrote: > On 10 Nov 2010, at 09:49, Geoff Hogg wrote: >> Or even have an iPlayer channel for programmes that haven't been >> broadcast at all? > > > +1 > > [tempted to undermine with a facile suggestion about a channel for programmes > that do not exist, but I won't do that] > > -- > > Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html > +44 (0) 7780 608 659 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > -- Geoff Hogg - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Not really- we use the iplayer backend to provide the embeddable media player to stick in Movable type. The UI for the ingest makes clear that this content is going into iPlayer, and various metadata elements are assigned so that it is associated as a 'non-scheduled' element. It's a bit strange tbh, and soetimes we wonder if it wouldn't be easier to use vimeo or youtube, but the business processes around uploading to those channels are far more complex and require more sign off, so out of time constraints I stick with iPlayer embedded media player. One of these days I'll get around to wider publication. a -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner Sent: 10 November 2010 11:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions On 10 Nov 2010, at 10:42, Ant Miller wrote: > There is content in iPlayer that's never been broadcast or scheduled- > our R&D videos for instance. And is easy to find? -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 10 Nov 2010, at 10:42, Ant Miller wrote: > There is content in iPlayer that's never been broadcast or scheduled- > our R&D videos for instance. And is easy to find? -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
There is content in iPlayer that's never been broadcast or scheduled- our R&D videos for instance. a -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Weiner Sent: 10 November 2010 10:01 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions On 10 Nov 2010, at 09:49, Geoff Hogg wrote: > Or even have an iPlayer channel for programmes that haven't been > broadcast at all? +1 [tempted to undermine with a facile suggestion about a channel for programmes that do not exist, but I won't do that] -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
>From another point of view. Why not put on iPlayer HD versions of programmes that haven't been broadcast in HD. Maybe even 1080p? Or even have an iPlayer channel for programmes that haven't been broadcast at all? There does seem to be the issue that iPlayer can only be used to catch up with broadcast TV, it doesn't need to be tied at all to it. Providing The Sky At Night is recorded in HD, surely it could be put on iPlayer as HD even though it hasn't been broadcast. I had planned to buy a HD pvr, but since my Sony Bluray player can connect up to the BBC iPlayer I can watch more than enough HD TV without having to buy another more expensive box. One request. It would be great if the iPlayer could remember my last saved position in a feed, I keep having to fast forward to where I stopped, but it is still early days. How much TV is recorded and edited in HD. I assume there are limits due to all the capital investment required. Geoff -- Geoff Hogg - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 10 Nov 2010, at 09:49, Geoff Hogg wrote: > Or even have an iPlayer channel for programmes that haven't been > broadcast at all? +1 [tempted to undermine with a facile suggestion about a channel for programmes that do not exist, but I won't do that] -- Ben Weiner | http://readingtype.org.uk/about/contact.html +44 (0) 7780 608 659 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Depends what you mean by a 'channel redirect'. A HD_Simulcast_Logical_Channel_descriptor can be inserted in the NIT which allows an SD channel to be substituted with a HD simulcast one, so it will appear in the LCN position of the SD service. Someone else on the list might be able to say if it actually gets used or not, as I've not got a T2 receiver I can't take a look at the SI to see if it's there. Also an SD/HD event linkage can be placed in the EIT, so that the receiver knows a given event is also available in HD. These are present on Freesat, as if you try and record anything on BBC One or ITV1 now (that isn't regional) on the office Humax receiver - it asks you if you want to record the HD version instead. There's nothing in the D Book that I can see instructing manufactures what to do with the linkage info, so an auto redirect to a HD simulcast probably could be implemented in receiver software using the existing EIT data. But it's down to individual manufacturers to do it. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * 500NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH * bbcworldservice.com <http://bbcworldservice.com/> * 02 71285 (internal) * +44 20 7557 1285 (external) * [email protected] From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 November 2010 20:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions On 8 November 2010 19:12, Christopher Woods wrote: Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature. I've been going on about that since 1998. You would think that they could do it via MHEG5 on Freeview HD at the very, very least.
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 20:13, b...@bt wrote: The other obvious solution is to just stick Sky at Night (the 30 minute edition) on BBC HD. There's plenty of spare time at night when the BBC HD channel is un-used. Or indeed daytime. Quite why the best of pre-watershed BBC HD isn't there for people to fill their Freeview+HD hard drives with is beyond me. They missed a trick when they didn't emulate what Sky do by pushing down selected "choice" programming automatically and having it available on the box on a whim, that would've been the perfect showcase for BBC HD
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 20:13, b...@bt wrote: > The other obvious solution is to just stick Sky at Night (the 30 minute > edition) on BBC HD. > There's plenty of spare time at night when the BBC HD channel is un-used. Or indeed daytime. Quite why the best of pre-watershed BBC HD isn't there for people to fill their Freeview+HD hard drives with is beyond me. > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
The other obvious solution is to just stick Sky at Night (the 30 minute edition) on BBC HD. There's plenty of spare time at night when the BBC HD channel is un-used. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Whilst we are at it (given the demise of backstage): - why does only the Windows Media Centre automatically put on the subtitles when you mute the sound? - why wasn't "channel 888" a way to put the subtitles on? - why are those people who are most likely to rely on "digital text", ie they don't have internet access, provided with the most third-rate BBC news service? - how are the text-plus Rabbit and Gay Rabbit public services? On 8 November 2010 19:12, Christopher Woods wrote: > > > Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. > > > Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the > original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature. >
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 19:12, Christopher Woods wrote: > > > Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. > > > Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the > original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature. > I've been going on about that since 1998. You would think that they could do it via MHEG5 on Freeview HD at the very, very least.
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 18:29, Brian Butterworth wrote: > > On 8 November 2010 18:12, b...@bt wrote: >> >> The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we >> can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD. >> Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD). >> There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for >> at least 2 more HD channels. > > > Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. Having the standard def BBC1/2/3/4 channels on the same transponder going forwards (this used to be the case?) would also have been extremely useful when using PVR software that can record the whole TS (or any part thereof). Only 1 tuner needed... Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Can I have a "why oh why?" moment. Me too! Why oh why wasn't an automatic channel redirect included in the original Freeview spec? I can think of several use cases for that feature.
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 18:35, Christopher Woods wrote: > Do the HD chans come from 2D? > Yup. http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/sat_frequencies.shtml <http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/sat_frequencies.shtml> > > > -Original Message- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt > > Sent: 08 November 2010 18:12 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > > Importance: High > > > > The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on > > BBC1 then we can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD. > > Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD). > > There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - > > enough for at least 2 more HD channels. > > > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Christopher Woods" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: [email protected] > > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt > > >> Sent: 08 November 2010 14:38 > > >> To: BBC Backstage > > >> Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > > >> > > >> Just a quick question. > > >> > > >> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the > > >> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long. > > >> Does anyone know why ? > > > > > > I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or > > > somesuch > > > similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? > > (simple way > > > would > > > be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-) > > > > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > unsubscribe, please > > > visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > unsubscribe, please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
Do the HD chans come from 2D? > -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt > Sent: 08 November 2010 18:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > Importance: High > > The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on > BBC1 then we can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD. > Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD). > There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - > enough for at least 2 more HD channels. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher Woods" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:54 PM > Subject: RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt > >> Sent: 08 November 2010 14:38 > >> To: BBC Backstage > >> Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > >> > >> Just a quick question. > >> > >> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the > >> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long. > >> Does anyone know why ? > > > > I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or > > somesuch > > similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? > (simple way > > would > > be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-) > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please > > visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
On 8 November 2010 18:12, b...@bt wrote:
> The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we can
> watch the HD version on BBC1 HD.
> Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD).
> There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for at
> least 2 more HD channels.
>
Can I have a "why oh why?" moment.
The BBC transmits six live streams of TV channels. Two are split:
BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies. Two are News and Parliament.
BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies are UK-wide streams. BBC One already has a HD
channels.
So, there's two HD slots on Freeview HD and four on satellite and cable.
Why not make BBC3/CBBC and BBC4/CBeebies HD on satellite and cable.
On Freeview HD, use the bandwidth for two of the four HD channels. For the
other two streams either
a) Providide a low-bandwidth SD service over MPEG4 for the other two
streams;
b) Provide a no-bandwidth MHEG5 or static MPEG4 caption for the other two
streams with "retune to 2 [or 7 or 9]".
Then you can scrap the silly "HD channel".
Reasons:
1) All BBC channels in Sky "HD" listings;
2) The SD-option provide an SD-fallback when recording an overrunning
programme;
3) Better newspaper and online listing for HD content ("also in HD") rather
than unlisted BBC HD channel.
>
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>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt
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>>> Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
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>>> Just a quick question.
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>>> The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the
>>> BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long.
>>> Does anyone know why ?
>>>
>>
>> I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or
>> somesuch
>> similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way
>> would
>> be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-)
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Re: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
The easiest solution is just play the 30 minute edition on BBC1 then we can watch the HD version on BBC1 HD. Another solution is to have a simulcast BBC4 (BBC4 HD). There's plenty of bandwidth on the satellite HD transponder - enough for at least 2 more HD channels. - Original Message - From: "Christopher Woods" To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions -Original Message- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt Sent: 08 November 2010 14:38 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions Just a quick question. The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long. Does anyone know why ? I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or somesuch similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way would be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
RE: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions
> -Original Message- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of b...@bt > Sent: 08 November 2010 14:38 > To: BBC Backstage > Subject: [backstage] The Sky at Night BBC1 vs BBC4 editions > > Just a quick question. > > The BBC4 edition of Sky at Night is 30 minutes long but the > BBC1 edition (and repeat on BBC2) is 20 minutes long. > Does anyone know why ? I seem to remember TSAN eps have a breakaway segment on location or somesuch similar. Do the BBC4 repeats just have office-based stuff? (simple way would be to play both at once and see where they go out ;-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
