without them darting off, it seems worthwhile... Who needs sleep
anyway?? Had to stop and think, is it 31 new lambs or 33? All in the last
3 weeks.
Cecil Bearden, Piedmont, OK
The old saying goes, He who cuts his own firewood is twice warmed.
Perhaps that could be paraphrased to say,
He
Well my vet recommends Pennicillin for mastitis. I also supplement if with
Banamine for the inflammation. Tha last one I had with mastitis responded
very well to 3cc pennicillin every other day for 10 days. Then 3cc of
Banamine once a week and also 3cc of dexamethasone once a week. for 3
Great! I had twins born last Friday. Both brown
Cecil in Okla
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From: Johnson, Oneta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: BB Sheep blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [blackbelly] lambs
I do not usually brag but was
I'd brag on my girls, too! At YesterYear we have had 26
babies ( including 6 set of twins) in 23 days!! Baby number 20 was
the broke leg ewes little girl!
Stephanie
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From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent
I thought that was a blackbelly, but I would have to see it again. It was
pretty fast... With my slow connection, I will have to see it at work...
Cecil in OKla
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From: Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday,
The sale barn I use uses a thin metal tag. so far it has stayed in my
Blackbellies ears better than anything else. Including the new OK state
tag.. I never removed the metal ones and they are in there going on 3
years..
Cecil in OKla
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From: Carol J. Elkins
I have a 5 day old blackbelly 2 1/2 to 3 lbs ewe lamb that I found wandering
in the sheep lot last Monday night. It appeared to be less than 12 hours
old. I have not been able to find its mother. I had at least 2 ewes have
lambs that day. The one ewe that seemed to be the mother would not
Barb:
I move the barn. Really!! I built the sheep barn out of 2 inch square
tubing. I built fork extensions on an old 20 ton military forklift I have
and I just move the barn, Blade it out with the loader/backhoe, and then set
the barn back down...
Cecil in Okla
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of formula
for her to prevent bloat.
got 2 new ones this morning, gotta go..
Cecil Bearden
Piedmont, OK
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From: Paul Renee Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] lamb with bloat--please
$0.02
Cecil Bearden
Oklahoma
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From: Carol Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info; Nancy Richardson
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Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] amount of colostrum needed
Hi Nancy,
This is from Laura
.
My ewes have taken care of their lambs this year and it has been a rough
year here in TX. Now we have grass and it is wonderful to see well fed
lambs with their slick mamas.
Thank you,
Rhonda
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Some of my sheep eat thistles. If they will eat it, it should be OK...
Cecil in Okla
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From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: [blackbelly] thistle
We have a field with allot
There are some rear window graphics for sale on E-bay. 7 Blackbellies on a
38 by 64 rear window graphic for $119.00..
That is more money than I got for 7 sheep!!!
Just thought you all might like a laugh!!
Cecil in OKla
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only to people that know what
they
are buying and contact me looking for them. Most of my sheep go out of
state.
Cecil, I sincerely hope things go better for you in the future,
Chris B.
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Of Cecil
Bearden
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
I just got the check for the sale of 12 rams and 2 ewes that I sold
Saturday
at the sale at Perkins OK. If this is a preview of what is to come
I sold one that had a great set of horns in February this year that should
have brought $200, but only brought $75. We had some snow that morning. I
think I should have figured out earlier that the Perkins sale is a Goat sale
not sheep I am looking at a food coop here in OK... What have
Is the list ok??
I haven't seen a post in a few days...
Cecil in OKla
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You might want to check out www.Oklahomafood.coop I am going to try to
market my lambs thru them. I gotta try something these were supposed
to be my retirement...
Cecil
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From: william bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
e-mails from this site along with my own website.
Just a thought I wanted to pass on. Sue Smith
From: Cecil Bearden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006
I would agree with what Mark W. said. I also think you have a lamb that was
born a few days to a week early. This happens for many reasons, some
nutritional, and some environmental. You did the right thing. You are
lucky that Momma decided to take the baby. I have only had one orphan in
I have not had any problems with foot rot in my 7 years of Blackbellies and
we go thru several weeks of wet weather every year. Right now it is
unusually wet for July. We are now 4 inches above normal for the month
Of course we are still 9 inches behind for the year I would
my sheep love cheat. I guess you are talking about the small grain that
looks like ryegrass...
Cecil in OKla
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From: Elizabeth Willhite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly]
This can really be funny when you take those plastic grocery bags out of the
car anywhere near the sheep!! Mine can hear a WalMart sack rattle a mile
away..!
Cecil in OKla
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To:
I use injectable and oral both. The paste for horses will work if you just
figure the amount based on the weight. Ivermectrin is hard to really
overdose.. Injectable is supposed to be given under the skin, But I have
used a short needle and injected it however I could when I had to worm 100
My ram stays with the ewes all the time... I sell my ram lambs early to
prevent fighting.
Cecil in OKla
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From: Elizabeth Willhite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Need
I have a small sheep stock rack that I built from an old pickup stock rack I
bought at an auction sale for $10.. I cut it down and it works great. When
I want a trailer, I put it on the lawn mower trailer, and they have a ramp
to load with.
Cecil in OKla
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From:
Sorry to be so long in responding. Try the Probios. It won't hurt. If no
good response in a cou0ple of days, try some immodium. Kaopectate will work
too, but you get a black stool.
Cecil in OKla
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Haven't seen any thing from the list for a few days. Hope everything is
oK
I have a blackbelly ewe with swollen ears. Both ears are over 3/4 inch
thick and drooping. She seems ok otherwise. Anyone had this problem
before. Can't find any sign of trauma or any parasites.
cecil in OKla
She is no worse this evening than she was. I gave her 5cc combiotic, 5cc
Dexamathasone and 3 cc of Banamine.
that should take care of inflammation. Whe is grazing and her lips and left
side of her head are swollen. I am thinking it is wasp stings. we have
some nestra around here. I gas
Rick:
What y ou described is typical of bleeding to death. The reason for
shooting them in the head is that it stops the central nervous system
reaction and stuns or paralyzes the animal prior to draining the blood
from the body. When you cause the bleeding to death syndrome you allow
the
I have found a processing plant for my sheep and the labels for my cuts
have been submitted for approval by the state board of Ag. I have
scheduled processing for 12 lambs the friday before thanksgiving. I had
to agree to take all the offal, hides and heads back to dispose of due
to the
I will sure agree about the terrible market after Easter I just
let mine run together all the time and try to get he young rams off
before they do any real damage From the autopsy of an older ewe a
couple of weeks ago, my little guys were shooting blanks
Onalee, if you will
Cold weather lambing is not all that bad. With a small shed, if you can
get a few other animals in with the one lambing, they will produce a lot
of heat. In my small shed, 10 ewes inside will have water condensing on
the roof in about 30 minutes and you can take your coat off when it is
Barb:
I did this about 6 years ago with 7 rams I had in the original flock I
bought. They ranged in age from 1 year to 8 years in age. I used
callicrate bander. I made sure that the band was placed low enough to
ensure I had enough skin to close off the wound at the belly. I got the
band
Vasectomizing a ram would require the use of a pair of Burdizzo
Emasculators. I suggest you find a pair and look at the method
closely. It is unreliable and extremely painful.
Cecil in oKla
The Wintermutes wrote:
Hi Barb,
I routinely castrate rams less than 1 year old. I have never
I spent about 30 minutes this morning to get the blackbelly cookbook
CD. every time I tried to checkout, the computer timed out. I am
using Mozilla Firefox. Does anyone have any suggestions. I cannot get
the contact us link to work to try to get a phone number to call...
Cecil in OKla
Carol:
What type of sign are you wanting? I do a lot of fabrication work and
make some of those pictures on steel with a plasma cutter. I still need
to get a web page up and running too..( possible labor trade here..!)
Right now I am waiting on the results from the first bunch I took for
my apologies for not changing the subject line on that last long post...
Cecil
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only mistake Cecil made was leaving the lambs after being chewed-out by
this guy at the processing plant. He should've thanked the man for showing
his true colors before
Carol:
first let me say that I am not arguing with your response. Just an
observation. I have some sheep that seem to have reverted to the
Corsican gene.. What I noted was that the Corsican had a thicker head
from the jaw to the nose bridge The Blackbelly has a slim and very
pretty head in
That requirement has been in effect for 27,000 gross weight rating and
also air brakes for almost 10 years. I have had a commercial license
since the beginning. I also have to go every 2 years and recertify for
the hazardous materials endorsement.
However I was not aware of the 10,000
I had several that I started out with. One of my black ewes gave birth
to a blackbelly colored lamb, a black ewe lamb and a blonde ewe lamb.
The blonde has 2 inch horns. Shehas always gave birth to blackbelly
marked lambs. The black ewe lamb later was sold and was bred to
another black
Kristi:
Where are you in SE texas? I have to reduce my flock this spring. I
have 80 and am only going to keep 30. I can work with the shipping.
Cecil in OKla
Linda Cook wrote:
Kristi:
We live in Ballinger, Texas - roughly between San Angelo and Abilene - in
West Texas. Have three
Oneta:
Alfalfa is a little hot for lambs. I have one here that I am bottle
feeding right now. She is now 5 weeks old and about the size of a 2
week old one. They are not going to eat a lot at any one time . The
volumes in carol's website are too much for Barbados I have found. At
birth
The link below will take you to my web page on the OKLA food
cooperative. Ground lamb sells for about $5 per pound. I figured out
that th lamb costs about $4.50 just to have processed when figured on
the end product.
Cecil in OKIla
Stephanie Parrish wrote:
Can you guys please let me know
I would trap them. the animal damage control department of the US fish
Wildlife should have a group nearby. If not then get some leghold
traps and get a book on how to trap. It worked for me.
cecil in okla
William Buchanan wrote:
Helen,
I would find someone that is raising crossed
I have the same problem. I had one that would start scouring 2weeks
before she lambed. I had one that would almost never get a firm stool.
Right now I have about 8 out of 100 that are scouring over the new green
grass. I suggest worming, then a few doses of Pro-Bio to get the gut in
order.
Without more information I can only do some experienced guessing. It
may be Milk Fever. If so, quickly get some calcium IV into her.
without knowing the time frame on these events I can only guess. If
this is within the first week since labor, it very possibly is Milk Fever.
Cecil in
Ketosis . YES... I have had to deal with that several
times. It is hard to diagnose over the e-mail unless you can smell the
ketone on the breath of the animal... Then you remember it
immediately. I use propylene glycol, in a stomach tube the flush with
water because
I had a 4 yr old QH mare with my sheep and she injured 3 ewes, chased
one down and caused her to go into labor during one of the coldest
nights we had this winter, she did not survive. Then this mare bit the
top of the head out of a lamb and ate it.It is only by the grace of
God and my
Sounds like they need salt or mineral. Mine will always eat the tree
bark off the trees in the pen if they get nervous. Do you keep hay
available near the barn. If they do not have something to nibble on
they get nervous. Blackbelly Ewes have 2 gears, Eat and Crap. If
they can't eat
Welcome
Cecil in OKla
Lucinda wrote:
Hi
I am new to the list. I am the lead barnyard zookeeper at sequoia park zoo
in eureka, ca
I joined the list because I just acquired a 8 month old Blackbelly lamb to
join my current group of 7 goats 4 sheep in our contact area.
Thank you
a 16 oz bottle is 17.50 at www.nutritiongeeks.com
Cecil in OKla
Carol J. Elkins wrote:
At 10:32 PM 7/25/2007, you wrote:
Question for Carol:
Did you ever try your recipe for fly spray using Avon skin so soft
bath oil, Eucalyptus oil, and white vinegar? It has been saved on my
e-mail
I have had this problem with one of my best ewes. It happened after she
was grazing on some trees we cut down. She got a small sharp splinter
stuck in the back of her mouth. I was advised by my vet to do nothing
for quite a while. Finally I could not take it any longer and lanced it
myself
It sounds like the sting site encapsulated. This happens a lot. I had
one with her entire head swelled up. I gave her antibiotics, Banamine
and cortisone. Too many anti-inflammatories and she died in 3 days.
Cortisone or Banamine. Banamine is non-steroid inflammatory.
Cecil in OKla
I blame it on the weather
Cecil in OK
o johnson wrote:
OK, I have a question. I live in OK and my girls are
starting to lamb. They are having bouncy, healthy,
gorgeous babies. Problem. I have not had ewes have
singles in years and all my girls are having singles.
Is anyone else seeing
I have had no problems with blackleg and my sheep were with horses.
They also were not vaccinated. I don't remember a case of Blackleg in
Horses...
The only problem I had with horses was in killing a lamb and chasing the
sheep. However my 20 year old gelding is with the sheep all the time.
Tetanus is caused by the clostridium bacteria. Horses have clostridium
present in their system more than any other ruminant. Any time there is
trauma, the colstridium flares and you have tetanus. We get it in sheep
also, the clostridium bacteria is in the gut. When you have an excess
of
I just lost a 16 year old wether. I saved his head to mount since he
had a great set of horns and he was a black one. You can give b-complex
shots to help the liver some. Is is very possible there are heart
problems. It is sad, but the good old ones just don't last as long as
we would
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I just lost a 16 year old wether. I saved his head to mount since he
had a great set of horns and he was a black
I got to thinking about this a little more today. This may be worms. I
had a 8 week old small ewe lamb that I found laying in the shed about 2
months ago. She did not want to stand up, so I got her up and she got
to walking around. I administered penicillin and panacur. about 9:00
am. At
This is a e-mail I received about bloating bottle fed lambs.
I didn't think anyone was listening.!!
Can we put this on the blackbelly website?
Cecil in OK
Dear Cecil
Many thanks for your helpful tip on treating bloat in lambs with a 1/4 tsp of
palmolive.
I am bottle feeding 4 lambs - I
Barb:
Great post. I have 2 bottle babies in the yard about 2 months apart in
age. The oldest born in January. She was a triplet that was kicked off
then later went back to mama and got a leg cracked somehow. She spent 7
weeks of life in a cage or in a diaper under my desk at work. The
Barb:
I run my sheep on native pasture mostly bluestem and buffalo grass.
This is a dry area in Central Oklahoma except this year. I graze on
wheat or triticale in winter for a green forage to help the ewes with
lambs or pregnant. The most trouble I have had was when a ewe was in
too good
Senator Coburn is probably the only one that will fight for the little
guy. He has not been there long enough to be entrenched, and he says he
is not going to stay there long enough to worry about re-election. He
has upset a lot of the good old boys up thereI got a call from
someone
I don't think Carol would be upset with us for trying to save an animal
that helps take care of our sheep. If I had to make a quick diagnosis,
I would xray this dog. This sounds like something in the gut that is
causing the bleeding and diarreah, and then may be blocking movement at
times
Carol:
Just a note. I saved a bottle baby with enterotoxemia last year by the
prescription for goats listed on a goat web site. The characteristics
of blackbellies is much closer to goats than domestic sheep. Just my $0.02
Cecil in OKla
Carol J. Elkins wrote:
I think herding dogs are an
Barb:
Just a thought: How do our blackbellies compare to deer? I am sure
there some figures on deer feed consumption somewhere, just finding
them. My opinion is that blackbellies forage much like deer, and their
systems seem to resemble deer more than goats or wooled sheep. Deer are
Barb:
I have been feeding my sheep corn gluten pellets the last 4 days since
they have been penned up due to the ice storm. They have eaten 2 4x5
bales of grassy alfalfa and over 300 lbs of corn gluten pellets. It
figures out to 1 lb of pellets per day and 5 lbs of hay per day , Not
Carol wrote about using raw meat for domestic animals. Since I have a
veterinarian close, I mentioned this to him. He said that under no
circumstances would he feed raw meat to any of his animals. Cooked is
fine, but raw has just too many problems that can be cured by cooking.
Tha analogy
Merry Christmas to all my list friends!!
This posting is probably not the best one for Christmas time, but I am
in the middle of lambing. One of those lambing times that was not
really planned for, but I must had had 3 month old Don Juan amongst the
children in June July.
Last week I had 2
Does this coincide with a sale locally? Or are they stealing them for
meat?
2 ideas come to mind.
Put up a big sign that the sheep are quarantined by the health
department if you do not have any on farm sales. Might talk to the
health dept also.
Cameras hooked up to the internet so you could
6 ft is nothing for most of them if they really want on the other side.
I had one jumping my electric fence that was 5 ft tall and she had
triplets 2 weeks later
She was supposed to go to the sale barn. I just put up 2 higher strands
and let her out when it was wet
Problem solved.
Barb;
You have just hit on the most important aspect of raising sheep. Since
the profit margin is so small, then we have to have ewes with a great
mothering ability. I lump a lot of things into mothering ability. I
have over 80 ewes right now and this is the first time that I have had
more
I only have about 140 if I count the lambs. However, since the market
will not allow me to receive what they are worth, and I did not get the
research grant for rotational grazing to improve pastures, then I will
have to thin out the flock. What will stay will be the ones that remain
healthy
Barb;
You have just hit on the most important aspect of raising sheep. Since
the profit margin is so small, then we have to have ewes with a great
mothering ability. I lump a lot of things into mothering ability. I
have over 80 ewes right now and this is the first time that I have had
more than
I had one that overate on some carbohydrates that we cleaned out of the
pantry and was sick for a few days then got better and gave birth to
twins. If I had been there I am sure they would have survived, but it
was in the wee hours of the morning. She died a few days later. She
was over 20
Selenium is a heavy metal just like arsenic. I would not have even
thought of injecting arsenic. If you really dig deep in the research on
the internet, There is not really a lot known about the interaction of
selenium and Vitamin E. They are complementary. It takes one to make
the other
The link below is page326 of a book on google books entitled Mineral
tolerances of animals. The url is listed below.
Cecil in OKla
http://books.google.com/books?id=k0wYvnlydGICpg=RA3-PA326lpg=RA3-PA326dq=selenium+sheep+LD50source=webots=E15Yzyb1n9sig=BaiwNtTLFkak2egAK2mKcDhY2qg
as she must have obtained some additional
information, even anecdotal, while researching this subject.
Cecil Bearden, P.E.
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Piedmont, OK 73078
405-641-8547
The first response:
This is a fascinating history and I would like to think about it for a
while before answering (lots
Were these sheep in good health? I would not have a separate pen for
them right now.
Cecil in OKla
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I have found Nasco Farm Supply to be the best for not gouging on the
shipping charges. I bought my Lamb bar from them. Try them for
replacement nipples.
Cecil in OKla
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I would research the signs of Chlamydia and take another look at her.
She may be ok, but the eye thing makes me think she may have an
infection. If it is Chlamydia, the LA200 is the drug of choice.
However, it may cause an abortion also.
Cecil in OKla
And all this time I thought they were connected Oh well, I better stick to
sheep, I think I know more about them than websites...
I do have many ram lambs this year, and since I had to bottle supplement 3 of
them, I really cannot bear for them to go to slaughter I would like to
find
What is Alvin TX near?
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Would that ram have horns?
Cecil in OKla
John, your message was just fine. As I said in my email last night,
this listserv is a great place to post buy/sell messages. Please post
your response to Mary Swindell so that everyone knows the sire and
dam of your ram. I think he is out of Zeke,
thanks
Cecil in OKla
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I buy bulk corn gluten pellets that are cost to 20% protein. They cost me
about $135 per ton . I feed 3ea 5 gal buckets to 80 ewes and 60 lambs during
the cold and wet weather. They do very well on it. They can get too much and
get the runs. It is very digestible.
Cecil in OKla
What's
Carol:
Good articles in this!
Black Vultures are a problem in OK also. After reading the procedures
in dealing with the government, it looks like our SSS solution is the best.
Cecil in OKla
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I did not get a chance to try the citronella eucalyptus and lemon oil as
much as I would like. Aromatics can be toxic. Mineral oil for laxative
is purer than the mineral oil for oil spray on plants, but about 1/3 the
price. The plant spray has to meet USDA requirements. The laxative
only
That sounds like a great solution for those of us who live in moderate
climates.
However, I might need a little more substantial method for these 130 MPH
wind gusts like we had 2 nights ago here in OKlahoma...
Cecil
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Hog huts stand up to wind very well too!!
Cecil in the great windy state of Oklahoma, also known as confusion...
When we start a new pasture a hog hut goes out. Its like their security
blanket. They know it and will congregate around it.
Sharon
Oneta:
I only give 1/2 cc banamine to a full grown ewe. It will thin the blood
and can cause ulcers in the stomach. I would make sure he is getting
enough grass or hay to eat to absorb in the gut. If you have to give
him a little grain to get something in the gut, I would do it.. Cattle
sometimes if the weather has been wet they will get Rain Scald. It looks
somewhat like you have described. I am a firm believer in scarlet oil
spray and use it on most everything. it keeps flies off and has some
great healing qualities. I would try scarlet oil spray on him. If it
doesn't
If I remember, Joint Ill is a staph infection. If it is int he
hospital, then the vet should be giving it an antibiotic cocktail...
The lamb.. I would give your LA 200 and also 3cc combiotic daily. Also
1cc of Baytril if you can get it... You will also have to give it some
probios or a
I did a google search to confirm my original suspicions. It appears
that your problems are indeed related. The Merck Manual lists joint ill
also in sheep and caused by Erysipelis (sp.) Again, theis sounds very
much like a staph infection. I still would use Baytril and
Pennicillin.
It sounds like a staph infection. I would use combiotic or pennicillin
instead of the LA 200.. Terramycin has a tendency to get into every
body tissue and stay there. About 2cc of pennicilin every other day for
about 10 days should show some improvement. Exercise on those feet will
get the
I am not an expert at Joint Ill, but it appears to be an arthritic type
disease that is usually caused by a staph organism. Anti inflammatory
injections can cause the immune system to be somewhat compromised.
Especially cortisone. I would discontinue the pain meds as I am
assuming it is
I get Baytril in ElReno at Eischen's vetconsulting service. You should
be able to get it from the vet. The small animal size is expensive, but
it is really good when youdo not know just what you are dealing with. I
use antibiotics as a last resort, but if I need them, I use penn and
baytril
I use Livestock concepts www.livestockconcepts.com for a lot of my
antibiotics and wormers too...
Cecil
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