RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-08 Thread Horn, John
 From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one 
 just learned 
 all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell 
 I think. 
 One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.

Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others.

Fortunately, torture doesn't come up too much outside of RPG situations...

Hey!  I got them all right on the first, ok, second try!

  - jmh
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RE: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-08 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From: William T Goodall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one 
  just learned 
  all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell 
  I think. 
  One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.
 
 Mine are: vacuum, caffeine, torture and a few others.
 

Why is people spelled that way? Everyone sais pee-pole not pee-op-le.

hu, hu huhu hu, He said _pee_ _pole_, hu huh huhu



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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
Debbi explains the origins of fish on
(Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
[..gone snip crazy...]
 I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
 ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
 fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)

?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
 
 English is such a fun language!

...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)

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English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Han Tacoma wrote:
 
 Debbi explains the origins of fish on
 (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
 [..gone snip crazy...]
  I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
  ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
  fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
 
 ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
 
  English is such a fun language!
 
 ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)

Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
:)

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:

either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird

There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

Julia

who will give the whole *rule* if someone asks for it
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Han Tacoma wrote:
  
  Debbi explains the origins of fish on
  (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
  [..gone snip crazy...]
   I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
   ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
   fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
  
  ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
  
   English is such a fun language!
  
  ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
 
 Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
 :)
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 

Stein

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/7/2003 12:39:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
   
  
  Stein

There are many steins in Leipzig, ja?

William Taylor
-
After going through at $4 a book
...and again at $3 a book
...and then $10 a bag
...and then a second $10 bag,
I found a copy of Anathema!
Medieval Book Curses.

Worth at least $100
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes:
 Han Tacoma wrote:
  
  Debbi explains the origins of fish on
  (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
  [..gone snip crazy...]
   I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
   ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
   fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
  
  ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
  
   English is such a fun language!
  
  ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
 
 Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
 :)
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English,
as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed
to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days
when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile]

WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is!
Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin...
by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
Amendment at the end.

- Original Message - 
From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: English rules  exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people


 Julia (Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500) writes:
  Han Tacoma wrote:
   
   Debbi explains the origins of fish on
   (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
   [..gone snip crazy...]
I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)
   
   ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men
   
English is such a fun language!
   
   ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
  
  Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case. 
  :)
  
  The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
  brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
  
  either
  foreign
  forfeit
  leisure
  neither
  seize
  weird
  
  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 
 ...and that would be in USA English, as opposed to Canadjian English,
 as opposed to Aussie English, as opposed to Blymie English, as opposed
 to [...oooh what the heck, I'm getting tired of typing -- one of these days
 when I make some extra money I'll buy Dragon-dictate or a simile]
 
 WORTHIBUTTER Szawry doctor! 'ees off 'iz bleumin' chump ee is!
 Gar well blymie ga yve me a bleedin...
 by John Mucci Qui debeat melius sapere Maru

DRACULA
(Undressed)
a modern amorality play 
in Two Acts 
http://www.jmucci.com/plays/drac1.htm

 
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread listmail
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
them:

either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird

There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?

Their?

Dean

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
 brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
 them:
 
 either
 foreign
 forfeit
 leisure
 neither
 seize
 weird
 
 There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
 
 Their?

That falls under the main rule:

I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
remember.)

Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
weigh.

Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.

Julia
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:05 PM 6/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Han Tacoma wrote:

 Debbi explains the origins of fish on
 (Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:22:12 -0700 (PDT))
 [..gone snip crazy...]
  I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
  ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
  fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)

 ?? would be as in the plural of woman = w_o_men

  English is such a fun language!

 ...and there's more exceptions than there are rules :-)
Well, if every rule has 2 exceptions, then of *course* that's the case.
:)
The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of them:
either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird
There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?


Searching for *ei* in the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary yields 
1687 matching entries.

(Maybe it isn't surprising that you couldn't remember that Alzheimer's is 
one of them . . . )



-- Ronn! :)

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Han Tacoma
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 16:31:00 -0500 Julia told Dean
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
  
  The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
  brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
  them:
  
  either
  foreign
  forfeit
  leisure
  neither
  seize
  weird
  
  There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
  
  Their?
 
 That falls under the main rule:
 
 I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
 long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
 remember.)
 
 Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
 weigh.
 
 Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.


...uuuf!, and those rules are simple.

Whan that Aprille, 
with hise shoures soote,
The droghte of March 
hath perced to the roote

   -Canterbury Tales, Prologue, 1-2.
Geoffrey Chaucer (1342 - 1400)

When in April
the sweet showers fall 
That pierce March's
drought to the root and all

...and to think that the former
could have been spoken if 
Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450
come up with the printing press.

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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread William T Goodall
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:31  pm, Julia Thompson wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:05:02 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

The ie/ei rule is complicated, and has 8 exceptions that have been
brought to my attention, but I can never remember more than 7 of
them:
either
foreign
forfeit
leisure
neither
seize
weird
There's at least 1 more.  Anyone?
Their?
That falls under the main rule:

I before E except after c, or when combined they make the sound of
long a.  (There's a nice little ditty for that last bit which I don't
remember.)
Neighbor fits the general rule.  Their does, as well, as does
weigh.
Conceive fits the part about after 'c'.
Theism
Atheism
Leitmotif
Heist
Heifer.
Time to stop now :)

The only rule we got at school was 'after c', and then one just learned 
all the exceptions. Everyone has a few words they can't spell I think. 
One of mine is 'resteraunt'. Oops! Restaurant.

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Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/
First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing
weirds language.  Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech
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Re: English rules exceptions Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-07 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...and to think that the former
 could have been spoken if 
 Gutemberg hadn't circa 1450
 come up with the printing press.
 

Hay now, Getemberg may have stole that idea from the chinese, but that's no
reason to blame him for modern spelling standardization.

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Jan Coffey
Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?

--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
 
 China raises the red tag
 
 RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more. 
 The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
 people. Delegates to the recent Communist Party Congress were required to
 wear an RFID badge equipped with the tiny tag, which permitted their
 movements around the conference to be constantly tracked and recorded. 
 
 RFID stands for radio frequency identification, and each tag has a unique
 number associated with it. Some large retailers are experimenting with
 the system to track inventory and cut down on shoplifting. 
 
 In a new application of the technology, Texas Instruments provided its
 client with about 20,000 of the tags. As attendees moved throughout the
 various areas of the conference, their badges were electronically read by
 one of 20 TI S6550 Long Range Readers with customized gate antennas,
 strategically placed throughout the conference area, a company
 newsletter says. 
 
 In addition to real-time monitoring of the delegates, the setup let
 security guards perform identity checks by comparing a database photo
 with the badge holder's face. We expect our access-control business to
 accelerate over the next couple of years as corporations and governmental
 agencies raise the level of security for their people and their assets,
 said TI spokesman Bill Allen. 
 
 For some reason, China's leaders seem to be shying away from additional
 publicity. We'd love to do a full-blown press release, case study, etc.,
 but the (Chinese) Communist Party will not allow it at this time, Allen
 said. 
 
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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
 
 China raises the red tag
 
 RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more. 
 The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
 people.

Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?



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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:20 AM 6/5/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38

 China raises the red tag

 RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more.
 The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
 people.
Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?


breep He—is—a—fictional—character—and—besides—you—misspelled—his—name. 
breep



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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
 
 At 09:20 AM 6/5/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
 --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
  
   China raises the red tag
  
   RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more.
   The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
   people.
 
 Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?
 
 breep He—is—a—fictional—character—and—besides—you—misspelled—his—name.
 breep

But he'd have been *saying* it to the computer, and as long as he
pronounced it right, the computer wouldn't give a hoot as to how he
mentally spelled it.  :)

Julia
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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 15:43 2003-06-05 -0500, Julia wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

 At 09:20 AM 6/5/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
 --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
  
   China raises the red tag
  
   RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more.
   The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
   people.
 
 Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?

 breep He—is—a—fictional—character—and—besides—you—misspelled—his—name.
 breep
But he'd have been *saying* it to the computer, and as long as he
pronounced it right, the computer wouldn't give a hoot as to how he
mentally spelled it.  :)
Julia
Actually, he's just talking to his mouse.  Use the keyboard Scotty!

Jean-Louis 1 line Couturier 

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 15:43 2003-06-05 -0500, Julia wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

 At 09:20 AM 6/5/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
 --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
  
   China raises the red tag
  
   RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more.
   The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and tracking
   people.
 
 Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?

 breep He—is—a—fictional—character—and—besides—you—misspelled—his—name.
 breep
But he'd have been *saying* it to the computer, and as long as he
pronounced it right, the computer wouldn't give a hoot as to how he
mentally spelled it.  :)


Geordie is not pronounced the same as Gordy, either.



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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Jan Coffey

--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
  
  At 15:43 2003-06-05 -0500, Julia wrote:
  Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
   
At 09:20 AM 6/5/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
 
  China raises the red tag
 
  RFID tags aren't just for tracking consumer goods any more.
  The Chinese Communist Party is experimenting with tagging and
 tracking
  people.

How is this any different than on StarTrek? 


Computer can you tell me the location of Gordy LaForge?
   
breep
 He—is—a—fictional—character—and—besides—you—misspelled—his—name.
breep
  
  But he'd have been *saying* it to the computer, and as long as he
  pronounced it right, the computer wouldn't give a hoot as to how he
  mentally spelled it.  :)
  
  Geordie is not pronounced the same as Gordy, either.

 How so?

 Jan is dyslexic.  This has been gone over ages ago.  Hence my comment
 about the *pronunciation*.  I've seen worse misspellings by him, and
 been able to figure out most of them from context.
 
 And for someone picky about the spelling, your house isn't exactly
 stoneproof.  It's Geordi, no e at the end, so there, :P (pronounced
 nyeah in this context).  [Ref.:  http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092455]

Hay, No one finds misspelling more humorous than me, I love puns. It does get
annoying sometimes though when more attention is paid to something that to me
is frivolous than the actual information I was trying to impart. When
spelling does not affect ones reading it is hard to imagine why anyone else
would focus on it. People who don’t read phonetically seemed awfully lazy to
me when I was younger. No offence mind you, just trying to provide the other
perspective.

Just to clarify, I don't mentally spell things. I am somewhat incapable of
connecting spellings to meanings, but I can connect sounds to meanings. Since
English has no consistent system (logical rules) of spelling I have no way of
knowing the difference between an abundance of possible spellings. When
confronted with an unknown word in a known context I can work it out based on
root words etc. (Just like everyone else, except based on the sound of the
root rather than the spelling.) But if it's close enough, but improperly
spelled I don't even notice. Being confronted with many different accents
during development exacerbated my condition. For a dyslexic I have always
been a very functional reader. I learned to character read from a very early
age. Going the other direction is difficult. You would think that I would
spell everything phonetically but I don’t because I do remember some of the
oddities, only not always correctly. I spell check everything -on list- but
spellcheckers are notorious for not having Proper nouns. Sorry.  

The topic on this list is a big rerun, but if you want to learn more about
dyslexia or discuss dyslexia, ausbergers, ADD, any other learning
disabilities, eccentricities, or “pariah” conditions, (all of which are now
mostly protected under civil liberities laws) feel free to e-mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Now without spellchecking:

Hay, No one finds mispelling more humerous than me, I love puns. It does get
annoying sometimes though when more attention is paid to something that to me
is frivolous than the actual information I was trying to impart. When
spelling does not effect ones reading it is hard to imagine why anyone else
would focus on it. People who don’t read phoneticaly seemd aufuly lazy to me
when I was younger. No offence mind you, just trying to provide the other
perspective.


Just to clarify, I don't mentaly spell things. I am somewhat incapable of
connecting spellings to meanings, but I can connect sounds to meanings. Since
english has no consistant system (logical rules) of spelling I have no way of
knowing the differance between an abundence of possibl spellings. When
confronted with an unkown word in a known context I can work it out based on
root words etc. (Just like everyone else, except based on the sound of the
root rather than the spelling.) But if it's close enough, but improperly
spelled I don't even notice. Being confronted with many different accents
during development exaserbated my condition. For a dyslexic I have always
been a very functional reader. I learnd to character read from a very early
age. Going the other direction is diffacult. You would think that I would
spell everything phoneticaly but I don’t becaose I do remember some of the
audities, only not allways correctly. I spell check everything -on list- but
spellcheckers are notorious for not having Proper nouns. Sorry. The topic on
this list is a big rerun, but if you want to leran more about dyslexia or
discuss dyslexia, ausbergers, ADD, any other learning disabilities,
excentricities, or “paria” conditions, (all of which are now mostly protected
under civil liberities laws) feel free to e-mail me at [EMAIL 

Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The gentle and gentile geriatric German general
 was a genuine genius at
geography, geology, and geometry. As do many of
 his generation, he likes to
make generously loud gestures with gerunds,
 ~and~, he has very smallgeraniums.
  
 
 Gorsh, says Goofy.
 
 Meanwhile
 
 The tough still coughs as he ploughs the dough.
 
 
 Are you thoroughly through, though?

I don't remember all the words it comes from, but IIRC
ghoti is an alternative spelling for the sound
fish [enou_gh_, ??, pa_ti_ence]... ;)

English is such a fun language!

Jan, Julia - 'scuse me, *Jul-yer* - wrote a better
reply than I could have, as I'd've just said, There
*is* no algorithm.  ;}

Why Isn't It Plural Meese And Hice? Maru
(if you have more than one moose in more than one house)

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote:

 Jan, Julia - 'scuse me, *Jul-yer* - 

Don't.  Ever.  Call.  Me.  That.  Again.

Please.

Julia
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RE: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Horn, John
 From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
  Jan, Julia - 'scuse me, *Jul-yer* - 
 
 Don't.  Ever.  Call.  Me.  That.  Again.
 
 Please.

Must resist.
Must resist.
MUST RESIST!!!

Ah, the urge has passed...

(Remember Marvin's wanker post...?)

 - jmh

Stay Good Maru
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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:16 PM 6/5/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:

[snip]

yes, I'm feeling a little surly, why do you ask?  ;)


At 08:45 AM 6/6/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:

 Jan, Julia - 'scuse me, *Jul-yer* -

Don't.  Ever.  Call.  Me.  That.  Again.

Please.


I was going to ask if you were feeling better today than you were 
yesterday, but I guess I just got my answer . . .

;-)



Tiptoeing Out Of The Room And Easing The Door Closed Maru



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Land that I love!
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam…
God bless America!
My home, sweet home.
-- Irving Berlin (1888-1989)

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
 
 At 04:16 PM 6/5/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 [snip]
 
 yes, I'm feeling a little surly, why do you ask?  ;)
 
 At 08:45 AM 6/6/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
 Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
   Jan, Julia - 'scuse me, *Jul-yer* -
 
 Don't.  Ever.  Call.  Me.  That.  Again.
 
 Please.
 
 I was going to ask if you were feeling better today than you were
 yesterday, but I guess I just got my answer . . .

Actually,

rant

I'm probably going to be not quite as pleasant as usual until the 19th.
I was scheduled to see a perinatologist yesterday, but she got sick and
had to cancel all her appointments yesterday, and she can't see me until
the 19th, and until I *get* to see someone who's a specialist in
multiple pregnancy, I'm probably going to be a little edgier than
normal.  I have some questions that I was HOPING to have answered
yesterday, and now I have to wait another 2 weeks, and I hate it that I
couldn't have a FTF discussion with someone on these issues instead of
trying to figure things out from a book that doesn't take into account
some things that I need taken into account.

/rant
 
 ;-)
 
 Tiptoeing Out Of The Room And Easing The Door Closed Maru

Well, if you slammed it and I yelled, we'd both blow off a little more
steam.  ;)

Julia
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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
 --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[I think the post-line isn't correct for my snippage,
so I'm putting little tags for who I think wrote...]

[F]
http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
  
   China raises the red tag
  
   RFID tags aren't just for tracking
 consumer goods any more.
   The Chinese Communist Party is
 experimenting with tagging and tracking people.
 
[J] How is this any different than on StarTrek? 

[me] I think because as a member of Starfleet, you
have chosen to go into dangerous space/situations, and
it is an added safety factor [considering all the
abductions and holodeck problems... ;} ]

snip 
[R]   Geordie is not pronounced the same as
Gordy, either.
 
[J]  How so?

[me] Geordi has a j sound, as in jump;  I
*think* this is a voiced G.  Gordy has a
'less-voiced' g, as in go get.  If anyone's really
curious, I could ask my speech pathologist friend for
the technical terms/descriptions.
 
snipped rest 

A Teacher Once Announced My Name As deBORE-ah Maru
shudder delicately at the hideous memory...  :{

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-05 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
  --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [I think the post-line isn't correct for my snippage,
 so I'm putting little tags for who I think wrote...]

You are correct

 [F]
 http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
   
China raises the red tag
   
RFID tags aren't just for tracking
  consumer goods any more.
The Chinese Communist Party is
  experimenting with tagging and tracking people.
  
 [J] How is this any different than on StarTrek? 
 
 [me] I think because as a member of Starfleet, you
 have chosen to go into dangerous space/situations, and
 it is an added safety factor [considering all the
 abductions and holodeck problems... ;} ]

Nope. On several episodes people ask the computer where family members or
business associates on the ground are.

 snip 
 [R]   Geordie is not pronounced the same as
 Gordy, either.
  
 [J]  How so?
 
 [me] Geordi has a j sound, as in jump;  I
 *think* this is a voiced G.  Gordy has a
 'less-voiced' g, as in go get.  If anyone's really
 curious, I could ask my speech pathologist friend for
 the technical terms/descriptions.

Ok, I buy that, but how would you know without a doubt that this is the case?
Tell me the algorithm for determining the pronunciation without storing the
information as data. After some searching I find that geo usually sounds like
'j'. But what about my sister-in-law's name Geogk? Besides, his name is
Jodee not jeeardee and geo makes the jeea sound in every other case that
I can find. Maybe it's Ge that makes the 'j' but if that were true then
get and jet would sound alike. 

The gentle and gentile geriatric German general was a genuine genius at
geography, geology, and geometry. As do many of his generation, he likes to
make generously loud gestures with gerunds, ~and~, he has very small
geraniums.





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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote:
 
 --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
  --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [I think the post-line isn't correct for my snippage,
 so I'm putting little tags for who I think wrote...]
 
 [F]
 http://news.com.com/2009-1088-984352.html?tag=fd_rndm#38
   
China raises the red tag
   
RFID tags aren't just for tracking
  consumer goods any more.
The Chinese Communist Party is
  experimenting with tagging and tracking people.
 
 [J] How is this any different than on StarTrek?
 
 [me] I think because as a member of Starfleet, you
 have chosen to go into dangerous space/situations, and
 it is an added safety factor [considering all the
 abductions and holodeck problems... ;} ]
 
 snip
 [R]   Geordie is not pronounced the same as
 Gordy, either.
 
 [J]  How so?
 
 [me] Geordi has a j sound, as in jump;  I
 *think* this is a voiced G.  Gordy has a
 'less-voiced' g, as in go get.  If anyone's really
 curious, I could ask my speech pathologist friend for
 the technical terms/descriptions.

I think that *generally*, ge and gi are pronounced as a softer g
(like a j), and gr, gl, ga, go, and gu are pronounced with
the harder g.  There are exceptions, one notable one being get as
above.  Geordi begins ge, hence is the j-like sound.  It's the
exceptions that are the killer.  The rules for the pronunciation of C
are similar, but I think there are fewer exceptions in that case.
 
 snipped rest
 
 A Teacher Once Announced My Name As deBORE-ah Maru
 shudder delicately at the hideous memory...  :{

Do you have any idea how many teachers in New England called me
Jul-yer?  :P

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Re: China RFID tracking people

2003-06-05 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:51 AM 6/6/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/5/2003 8:45:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The gentle and gentile geriatric German general was a genuine genius at
  geography, geology, and geometry. As do many of his generation, he 
likes to
  make generously loud gestures with gerunds, ~and~, he has very small
  geraniums.


Gorsh, says Goofy.

Meanwhile

The tough still coughs as he ploughs the dough.


Are you thoroughly through, though?



-- Ronn! :)

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Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam…
God bless America!
My home, sweet home.
-- Irving Berlin (1888-1989)

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