Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-20 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:29:06PM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: > Those 3 addresses are good, the 204.15.73.243 is incorrect. 204.15.73.243 reverse resolves to centos.at.multacom.com. multacom is a CentOS Sponsor according to: https://www.centos.org/sponsors/ An outdated config somewhere? --

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/19/2015 06:18 PM, John Cenile wrote: > I'm actually not able to connect to that host: > > # curl "http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=6=x86_64=extras; > curl: (7) couldn't connect to host > > > Which lead me to discover that our entire network is picking up " > mirrorlist.centos.org" as

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/20/2015 01:28 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:29:06PM -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> Those 3 addresses are good, the 204.15.73.243 is incorrect. > > 204.15.73.243 reverse resolves to centos.at.multacom.com. > multacom is a CentOS Sponsor according to: >

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-20 Thread John Cenile
Hello Johnny, That appears to be it, our network DNS resolvers were caching an old record from the looks of it. I've cleared the cache, and everything is now working perfectly. Thank you (all) for the help, I wasn't even aware that the 204.15.73.243 address was no longer valid. On 21 October

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread James Pearson
> > On 19 Oct 2015, at 04:22, "John Cenile" wrote: > > When performing a yum update, it fails because it's trying to download from: > > mirror.centos.org/centos/*6.6*/extras/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml > > Which fails due to the fact that the entire 6.6 directory is

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread Nicolas Thierry-Mieg
On 10/19/2015 07:20 AM, John Cenile wrote: Hello Clint, Our Centos-base.repo file looks like this: [base] name=CentOS-$releasever - Base mirrorlist= http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=$releasever=$basearch=os #baseurl=http://mirror.centos.org/centos/$releasever/os/$basearch/ gpgcheck=1

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread John Cenile
Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately that file doesn't exist. I'm very confused as to why it's trying to download from /6.6/. The output of rpm -qi centos-release-6-4.el6.centos.10.x86_64 is: Name: centos-release Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 6

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread John Cenile
Sorry, I just copied any line from the repo file. :) On 19 October 2015 at 22:39, Nicolas Thierry-Mieg < nicolas.thierry-m...@imag.fr> wrote: > On 10/19/2015 07:20 AM, John Cenile wrote: > >> Hello Clint, >> >> Our Centos-base.repo file looks like this: >> >> [base] >> name=CentOS-$releasever -

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread John Cenile
I have tried yum clean all multiple times, no luck. :( Any other ideas? On 19 October 2015 at 18:01, James Pearson wrote: > > > > On 19 Oct 2015, at 04:22, "John Cenile" wrote: > > > > When performing a yum update, it fails because it's

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread James Pearson
John Cenile wrote: I have tried yum clean all multiple times, no luck. :( Also check you don't have the file /etc/yum/vars/releasever - the contents of this will override the value of $releasever in the repo files James Pearson ___ CentOS mailing

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread John Hodrien
On Mon, 19 Oct 2015, John Cenile wrote: I have tried yum clean all multiple times, no luck. :( Any other ideas? Have you manually set releasever in your yum config? As a short term fix, maybe you should. jh ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 10/19/2015 06:49 AM, John Cenile wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately that file doesn't exist. > > I'm very confused as to why it's trying to download from /6.6/. > > The output of rpm -qi centos-release-6-4.el6.centos.10.x86_64 is: > > Name: centos-release

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-19 Thread John Cenile
I'm actually not able to connect to that host: # curl "http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=6=x86_64=extras; curl: (7) couldn't connect to host Which lead me to discover that our entire network is picking up " mirrorlist.centos.org" as 204.15.73.243, which I'm not able to ping from any host in

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-18 Thread Clint Dilks
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:21 PM, John Cenile wrote: > Hello all, > > I manage a few servers overseas that are running CentOS 6. > > When performing a yum update, it fails because it's trying to download > from: > >

[CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-18 Thread John Cenile
Hello all, I manage a few servers overseas that are running CentOS 6. When performing a yum update, it fails because it's trying to download from: mirror.centos.org/centos/*6.6*/extras/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml Which fails due to the fact that the entire 6.6 directory is empty on all of the

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-18 Thread John R Pierce
On 10/18/2015 8:21 PM, John Cenile wrote: Which fails due to the fact that the entire 6.6 directory is empty on all of the mirrors I have checked. isn't 6.7 out ? why would there be anything left in 6.6 ? -- john r pierce, recycling bits in santa cruz

Re: [CentOS] CentOS 6 update issues

2015-10-18 Thread John Cenile
Hello Clint, Our Centos-base.repo file looks like this: [base] name=CentOS-$releasever - Base mirrorlist= http://mirrorlist.centos.org/?release=$releasever=$basearch=os #baseurl=http://mirror.centos.org/centos/$releasever/os/$basearch/ gpgcheck=1

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-05-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 01:34:54PM -0400, Tom H wrote: If CentOS had a communication policy, it could spare itself these types of articles... No.  These types of articles will continue to appear whether there is a

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 21 April, 2011 1:01:22 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:31:04PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Seriously, just skip over my posts. I

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: Garry Dale garry.d...@gmail.com To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 21 April, 2011 1:37:33 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? (someone) wrote: Why does the website say something so different, then? Seriously? Are people

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: Ron Blizzard rb4cen...@gmail.com To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 21 April, 2011 1:59:19 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Seriously, just skip over my

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
It sounds to me like your big beef is that you can't run the CentOS distribution the way *you* want it run. Whether you agree or not, doesn't change the fact that CentOS *is* enterprise ready.-- and many enterprises use it. The only time there are significant delays in No, I would just

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Thu, 21 April, 2011 2:58:36 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:29:07PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: I have it black and white

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Ian Murray
And do us a favor? Take your own advice. I always try to state as far as I know, as far as I can tell, in my opinion/belief. Can we recall that I commented on the fact that a major Linux magazine had put up a pretty damning article. I don't know why I am getting attacked for that.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread Stephen Harris
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:27:23PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: No, I would just like the name and website to match the facts. I would suggest that anybody that calls centOS enterprise-ready might have a different concept to what an enterprise is to me. Enterprise to me is at least a 1000

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread aurfalien
Its pretty funny how flaming any thread with Centos 6 in it can get. So the devs do/do not communicate, who cares. When Centos 6 does come out, many will say O big daddy, thank you sooo much, I love you... or something like that. And the old adage about No one ever got fired for buying IBM

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread aurfalien
And think about how the Plutonians feel after there home was bumped down from planet to moon, or was cold worthless chunk rotating the Sun. - aurf ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread m . roth
aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: And think about how the Plutonians feel after there home was bumped down from planet to moon, or was cold worthless chunk rotating the Sun. Equal rights for Pluto! mark ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-21 Thread aurfalien
On Apr 21, 2011, at 10:22 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: And think about how the Plutonians feel after there home was bumped down from planet to moon, or was cold worthless chunk rotating the Sun. Equal rights for Pluto! Sheee ku, thats what I be sayin. - aurf

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:27:16PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Maybe having it said so publicly and be such a respected Linux community member may help certain people wake up and smell the coffee. Respected? I can't recall a single article of his that mentioned CentOS that wasn't disparaging.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
Respected? I can't recall a single article of his that mentioned CentOS that wasn't disparaging. I find such one-sided and opinionated writings hard to respect. Okay, maybe that was an assumption too far in regards to respect. Perhaps not so one-sided if he had received an email

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Brian Mathis
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Okay, maybe that was an assumption too far in regards to respect. Perhaps not so one-sided if he had received an email reply from the devs assuming he did indeed send one to KB. To be fair, it does seem pretty lifted

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:27:16PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Maybe having it said so publicly and be such a respected Linux community member may help certain people wake up and smell the coffee. Respected?  I can't

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
No. News reporting is about picking up and distilling the sentiment of what's going on. The article has done that. It doesn't have to be a complete factual research project with totally fair and balanced chances for everyone to have their say. If the Devs had responded, that would

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Mathieu Baudier
The attitudes against any user who has a question about releases significantly undermines the project and is a slap in the face to any user? Or users who keep repeating again and again the same boring old stuff? I think that we now all know what to expect and what not to expect from CentOS.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, April 20, 2011 03:29:07 PM Ian Murray wrote: My big beef has always been that the website and project name suggest one thing (i.e. enterprise ready), when the reality is quiet different. [sigh] CentOS is simply a community-available rebuild of the upstream Enterprise OS;

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06 AM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:27:16PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Maybe having it said so publicly and be such a respected Linux community member may help certain people wake up and smell the coffee. Respected?

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 01:34:54PM -0400, Tom H wrote: I don't think that I've ever read an article of his before but respect isn't earned by praising a distribution or criticizing another. I have read some of his articles in the past and I speak from the point of knowledge of his past

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
Is there anything else relevant to add? ___ Yeah, please can someone fix the front-page to better reflect the distribution for what it is, rather than the sales pitch that is there now. Not everyone has read about it ad nausem on this list.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday, April 20, 2011 05:51:46 PM Ian Murray wrote: Is there anything else relevant to add? Yeah, please can someone fix the front-page to better reflect the distribution for what it is, rather than the sales pitch that is there now. Not everyone has read about it ad nausem on

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Sent: Wed, 20 April, 2011 21:32:35 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On Wednesday, April 20, 2011 03:29:07 PM Ian Murray wrote: My big beef has always been that the website

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R Pierce
On 04/20/11 2:51 PM, Ian Murray wrote: Is there anything else relevant to add? ___ Yeah, please can someone fix the front-page to better reflect the distribution for what it is, rather than the sales pitch that is there now. Not everyone has

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
But to allude to him as a respected industry member is greatly stretching things when every article that mentions CentOS is disparaging and I can't recall any article even ending on a positive note. Try google: http://lwn.net/Articles/123934/ (For the record, I couldn't find any

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message From: John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com To: centos@centos.org Sent: Wed, 20 April, 2011 23:04:50 Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On 04/20/11 2:51 PM, Ian Murray wrote: Is there anything else relevant to add

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:31:04PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Seriously, just skip over my posts. I am not forcing you to read them. I'll finish when I am good and ready... not when *you* decide. How about I write you a check to just go away?

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Garry Dale
(someone) wrote: Why does the website say something so different, then? Seriously? Are people really this retarded? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Seriously, just skip over my posts. I am not forcing you to read them. I'll finish when I am good and ready... not when *you* decide. I'm trying to figure out why someone who, apparently, hates the CentOS distribution so

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Brian Mathis It doesn't matter if you provide something for free, because it's not free.  Everyone who uses CentOS invests significant time and energy into it. How so? By installing it? -- RonB -- Using CentOS 5.6

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: My big beef has always been that the website and project name suggest one thing (i.e. enterprise ready), when the reality is quiet different. I think Zonker got that one spot on. My suggest to the devs is to change the

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:18:21AM -0400, Brian Mathis wrote: No. News reporting is about picking up and distilling the sentiment of what's going on. The article has done that. It doesn't have to be a complete factual research project with totally fair and balanced chances for everyone to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 08:29:07PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: I have it black and white in a private email from JH that he would never give me sufficient information to start a competing rebuild. Information needed to rebuild is, and has been for quite some time, in the

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:25:06PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Try google: http://lwn.net/Articles/123934/ I've read the articles; I've no need to re-read them. (For the record, I couldn't find any previous disparaging comments from him... I stopped at page 6) You didn't look very hard.

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Keith Keller
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 07:01:22PM -0500, John R. Dennison wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:31:04PM +0100, Ian Murray wrote: Seriously, just skip over my posts. I am not forcing you to read them. I'll finish when I am good and ready... not when *you* decide. How about I write you a

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Emmanuel Noobadmin
On 4/21/11, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote: The only sentiment picked up on was that of a loud, minuscule and irrelevant fraction of the user base from this and the -devel mailing lists. He went with the loudest group of whiners he could find. Perhaps only a small handful keep

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/20/2011 09:18 AM, Brian Mathis wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Ian Murray murra...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Okay, maybe that was an assumption too far in regards to respect. Perhaps not so one-sided if he had received an email reply from the devs assuming he did indeed send one to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/20/2011 02:29 PM, Ian Murray wrote: I have it black and white in a private email from JH that he would never give me sufficient information to start a competing rebuild. Why would anyone give another entity all the things required to replace them? Red Hat does not give us nearly the

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread John R. Dennison
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:19:12PM +0800, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Perhaps only a small handful keep whining about the situation. However, the same idea that 95% of CentOS users never post to the ML is also applicable to the complainer population. For every complainer, there are probably 9

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin centos.ad...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps only a small handful keep whining about the situation. However, the same idea that 95% of CentOS users never post to the ML is also applicable to the complainer population. For every complainer, there

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/20/2011 11:52 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 04/20/2011 02:29 PM, Ian Murray wrote: I have it black and white in a private email from JH that he would never give me sufficient information to start a competing rebuild. Why would anyone give another entity all the things required to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Raymond Lillard
This begs the question: Why are you still here? No, really. Why? You've nothing good to say. Ever. Do you honestly think that the continue crap spewing off your fingers endears you to the CentOS team? Do you think they care? Do you think you're important to them? Let me disabuse you

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/20/11 8:53 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: The only sentiment picked up on was that of a loud, minuscule and irrelevant fraction of the user base from this and the -devel mailing lists. He went with the loudest group of whiners he could find. If he had wanted to be really critical he would

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/20/11 11:52 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: I have it black and white in a private email from JH that he would never give me sufficient information to start a competing rebuild. Why would anyone give another entity all the things required to replace them? Why? Because nearly all the

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 23:25 +0100, Ian Murray wrote: But to allude to him as a respected industry member is greatly stretching things when every article that mentions CentOS is disparaging and I can't recall any article even ending on a positive note. Try google:

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/20/11 11:52 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: I have it black and white in a private email from JH that he would never give me sufficient information to start a competing rebuild. Why would anyone give another entity

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-20 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: I think that the apologist point of view for is pretty much worthless because the intent is to stifle those who are genuinely concerned about the timeliness now. Yeah, genuinely concerned. And that concern is

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Benjamin Smith
Below, please find much praise for the developers who really deserve it! On Sunday, April 10, 2011 03:24:22 AM Johnny Hughes wrote: The goal of the centos project is to produce an RPM that is exactly like the upstream RPM in every way that is legally possible. The checks we do look at

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Benjamin Smith
On Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:02:52 PM Christopher J. Buckley wrote: It does - to an extent. Red Hat has a policy of releasing a major release every 18-24 months (I know RHEL-6 has slipped outside of this window), A total of 3 years, 8 months of time elapsed between EL5 and EL6. That's well

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/19/2011 1:39 AM, Benjamin Smith wrote: I'm not sure there is an open-source software company in existence that releases more high quality, open source software for use by the general public. Whatever we can say about Red Hat, if we really didn't like the results of their efforts, we

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Ron Blizzard
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so they don't _quite_ understand (or word) that correctly - the slowness didn't go all the way back to 5.0, but the point stands. Unless I'm mistaken there has *always* been a delay in certain patches when the

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Ian Murray
Here's a more objective view from Linux Mag: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8608/?hq_e=elhq_m=1231269hq_l=12hq_v=41484763bd If you have trouble with the link, some relevant quotes: Wow, that must smart. Still, should come as no surprise as it has all been said on here before... many

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-19 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/19/2011 05:27 PM, Ian Murray wrote: Here's a more objective view from Linux Mag: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/8608/?hq_e=elhq_m=1231269hq_l=12hq_v=41484763bd If you have trouble with the link, some relevant quotes: Wow, that must smart. Still, should come as no surprise as it has

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/08/2011 07:25 AM, Ian Murray wrote: As I seem to have started this little subsection of the thread, please let me give just one small example to help clarify the situation as it appears there is still a lot of misunderstanding surrounding this issue. Let's look at kernel

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/07/2011 03:46 PM, Ian Murray wrote: If you do not like how your hairdresser does you hair you will go to other one. If you do not like the taste of bread you are buying, you will go and by from other bakery. I have never been insulted or belittled by my hairdresser as we

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Timothy Murphy
Johnny Hughes wrote: I have never been insulted or belittled by my hairdresser as we discuss how my hair is best cut. My bakery has refused to sell me sliced bread because it was too hot to slice... however, they kindly explained when I should come back if I wished such that the bread would

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Ian Murray
The goal of the centos project is to produce an RPM that is exactly like the upstream RPM in every way that is legally possible. The checks we do look at libraries that binaries link to, size of the packages and a list of the files the RPM installs. We would like for all RPMS to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/10/2011 07:36 AM, Ian Murray wrote: The goal of the centos project is to produce an RPM that is exactly like the upstream RPM in every way that is legally possible. The checks we do look at libraries that binaries link to, size of the packages and a list of the files the RPM

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Timothy Murphy wrote: I think Karanbir made a small PR error in naming or implying dates for CentOS-5.6 and CentOS-6. To my mind, it would have been much better just to say something like, We're working hard on CentOS-6, and will get it out as soon as possible, given that this is a part-time

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Christopher J. Buckley
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:19, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: If you read some of complaints, you will see some people quote and are offended and complain about it will be ready when it is ready attitude of devs. I think it's fair to suggest that those people should be going to Red

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread rainer
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:19, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: If you read some of complaints, you will see some people quote and are offended and complain about it will be ready when it is ready attitude of devs. I think it's fair to suggest that those people should be going to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Christopher J. Buckley
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:56, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:19, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote: If you read some of complaints, you will see some people quote and are offended and complain about it will be ready when it is ready attitude of devs. I

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/10/11 1:56 PM, rai...@ultra-secure.de wrote: On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 19:19, Ljubomir Ljubojevicoff...@plnet.rs wrote: If you read some of complaints, you will see some people quote and are offended and complain about it will be ready when it is ready attitude of devs. I think it's fair

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
John Hodrien wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: rpm is here: http://rpms.plnet.rs/centos5-i386/RPMS.plnet/skype-2.1.0.81-1.el5.noarch.rpm source rpm is now currently publicly available since I rearranged my repository links/path but haven't finished. Since when did

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-08 Thread Anton Parol
mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Jerry Franz jfr...@freerun.com wrote: On 04/07/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Silva wrote: The GPL says they must release source. It doesn't say they have to also release any magic spells they use to compile it. Actually

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Murray
John, please stop cluttering the list with your complaining. It's making a right mess for those of that wish to discuss the project and its direction. Wow. Pot? Kettle? So, let me get this straight. People are able to bitch, whine, complain and needlessly threaten to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-08 Thread Ned Slider
On 08/04/11 03:06, Lucian wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Jerry Franzjfr...@freerun.com wrote: On 04/07/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Silva wrote: The GPL says they must release source. It doesn't say they have to also release any magic spells they use to compile it. Actually, it *does*. If

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Murray
As I seem to have started this little subsection of the thread, please let me give just one small example to help clarify the situation as it appears there is still a lot of misunderstanding surrounding this issue. Let's look at kernel modules, kmod packages. They are built against

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread David Sommerseth
On 05/04/11 01:29, Rudi Ahlers wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Brian Mathis brian.mathis+cen...@betteradmin.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 6:57 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: OK guys. Why don't you fork the CentOS project

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread David Sommerseth
On 05/04/11 01:29, John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 07:22:43PM -0400, Brian Mathis wrote: All that is needed to stop the weekly explosions are some regular updates about the process. Something like Working on xyz package but ran into this problem. Still have to look at

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread David Sommerseth
On 05/04/11 00:51, Jimmy Bradley wrote: I've seen the posts over and over again about when is 6 going to be out? I appreciate the time the developers put in to make cent os available. My main question about when is 6 going to be out is, does it really matter? 5.5 works just fine,

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Tom Yates
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Hendrik wrote: Do you notice nothing? Or is that the Indian mentality? I've been watching the C6/5.6/4.9 delay debate quietly for some time now, and I've seen what I thought were valid positions and intelligent comments on both sides of the debate. But that wasn't one of

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
Russell Jones wrote: A bigger number? :-) On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, compdoc wrote: What the hell is so special about CentOS 6? indeed Just newer kernel and newer core packages that can drive newer applications. CentOS 5.5 kernel and core packages are 3-4 years old in the (Linux) world that

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread John Hodrien
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Just newer kernel and newer core packages that can drive newer applications. CentOS 5.5 kernel and core packages are 3-4 years old in the (Linux) world that dramatically changed since then. I wouldn't refer to the 5.5 kernel as 3-4 years old as

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Anton Parol
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? 2011/4/6 Karanbir Singh mail-li...@karan.org: On 04/06/2011 09:53 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: That's not hard to do - stop reading them then. And once again we are avoiding a proper solution. No, once again you dont understand the issues, the problem

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Rudi Ahlers
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Anton Parol anton.pa...@orcsoftware.com wrote: Racism in open source software. That's the first time I've seen that. Regardless of your dislike for someone, even if legitimate, comments like that are NOT acceptable. I suggest you make a swift and sincere

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 04/06/2011 03:53 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: yOn Wed, 6 Apr 2011, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 04/04/2011 11:14 PM, Dag Wieers wrote: Nobody else really can give an update, the process is pretty much closed to the general public. So if the only person why can provide information is off by 2

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Max Hetrick
On 04/07/2011 08:41 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Please try to maintain some semblance of professionalism when you post to this list. This coming from someone who frequently tells people to SHUT UP and go away and use something else. I guess that's far more professional than others trying to

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Radu Gheorghiu
On 04/07/2011 03:58 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: On 04/07/2011 08:41 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Please try to maintain some semblance of professionalism when you post to this list. This coming from someone who frequently tells people to SHUT UP and go away and use something else. I guess that's far

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Brunner, Brian T.
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote: On 04/07/2011 03:58 PM, Max Hetrick wrote: On 04/07/2011 08:41 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: Please try to maintain some semblance of professionalism when you post to this list. This coming from someone who frequently tells people to SHUT UP and go away and use

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Brian Mathis
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Sorin Srbu sorin.s...@orgfarm.uu.se wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of David Sommerseth Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:42 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update

Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update?

2011-04-07 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/7/2011 8:47 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of David Sommerseth Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:42 PM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Centos 6 Update? Which is why I'm

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