[CITTERN] Re: Carpentier's first "recueil" and ENGLISH GUITAR
Hi Stuart, That is what I thought, it is probably a mistake of Carpentier about the english guitar. But I don't understand well the tuning you write, you mean it is french? The cistre is tuned : E-A-D-E-a-c#-e for a seven course cistre. I don't know the tuning you write Stuart, but in France Le Blond, Deleplanque, Renault & Chatelain etc... used to build also 6 course cistre, often with 5 double course and one single bass which is very similar to the english guitar. Maybe the 6 course cistre is the french version of the english guitar tuned C-E-G-c-e-g ? I have no documents and that is a topic i really don't know. What do you think? Ritter could be the english translation of Reithre, you're right. But this Mr Reithre lived in Paris and I think was probably French. But this idea is interesting, if we have time we should serach further and deeper around this question. Carpentier is not talking about its origins but about its popularity, he says that the cistre was very popular in Germany and Flanders. He's talking about english guitar in another book if I remember well. Damien He mentions this tuning a couple of times both in words and in musical notation and he repeats it in his 'Methode'. I've only ever seen this tuning in Carpentier. The tuning that would be like the French cistre would be: C-F-G-C-E-G and this is mentioned in a British publication of music by D. Ritter (who, I wonder, may be the same as the Mr Reithre mentioned by Carpentier?) Damien, my French isn't very good. What do you think Carpentier is saying about the origin of the cistre? He talks about its existence in Germany and Flanders but doesn't mention Britain. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[CITTERN] Re: Carpentier's first "recueil" and ENGLISH GUITAR
Dear cittern list members, I was reading the first of book of "cythre ou guitthare allemande" by Abbot Carpentier and on a page he writes about the "guittare angloise" (english-guitar in old french) and gives the tuning : from low to high : Ut-Ré-Sol-ut-mi-sol (C-D-G-C-E-G) I would like to know if Abbot Carpentier did a mistake about this tuning or if it was an alternative to the usual tuning : C E G c e g ? We can learn in this book several interesting things about french cistre and english-guitar. The english guitar was also played in paris and taught by Mr Reithre (only guittare angloise) and Mr Guerrier taught and played the french cistre (7 course and archicistre) and the English Guitar. We can also notice that in the year 1770' the english-guitar was called english-guittar (guittare angloise) in Paris. Thanks, Damien He mentions this tuning a couple of times both in words and in musical notation and he repeats it in his 'Methode'. I've only ever seen this tuning in Carpentier. The tuning that would be like the French cistre would be: C-F-G-C-E-G and this is mentioned in a British publication of music by D. Ritter (who, I wonder, may be the same as the Mr Reithre mentioned by Carpentier?) Damien, my French isn't very good. What do you think Carpentier is saying about the origin of the cistre? He talks about its existence in Germany and Flanders but doesn't mention Britain. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1578 - Release Date: 28/07/2008 17:13
