Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Stuart Yeates
2009/7/22 Wayne Lam wing...@gmail.com: I am new in here and i am currently worked in the library too. I am always confused that when i read the post in here, there are always something i don't understand and there are so much to learn. So, the question is, hows everybody learns to be a good

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Francis Kayiwa
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:14:47AM +0800, Wayne Lam wrote: Hi all, I am new in here and i am currently worked in the library too. I am always confused that when i read the post in here, there are always something i don't understand and there are so much to learn. So, the question is,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Wayne Lam wrote: I am new in here and i am currently worked in the library too. I am always confused that when i read the post in here, there are always something i don't understand and there are so much to learn. So, the question is, hows everybody learns to be a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Jon Gorman
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Wayne Lamwing...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all,  I am new in here and i am currently worked in the library too. I am always confused that when i read the post in here, there are always something i don't understand and there are so much to learn.  So, the question

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread John Fereira
Some good answers so far... First, regarding books. While the suggestion of avoiding dumbed downed books has some merit it is worth noting the distinction between books that are primarily used for reference and books that are more about theory. I haven't fund much use for reference books so

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Mike Taylor
2009/7/22 John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu: Some good answers so far... First, regarding books.  While the suggestion of avoiding dumbed downed books has some merit it is worth noting the distinction between books that are primarily used for reference and books that are more about theory.  I

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Jacob
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Mike Taylorm...@indexdata.com wrote: 2009/7/22 John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu: Some good answers so far... First, regarding books.  While the suggestion of avoiding dumbed downed books has some merit it is worth noting the distinction between books that are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Wayne Lam wrote: Hi all, I am new in here and i am currently worked in the library too. I am always confused that when i read the post in here, there are always something i don't understand and there are so much to learn. So, the question is, hows everybody learns to be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Ed Summers
Hi Wayne: My advice would be to find a real, do-able, and hopefully exciting problem where you work (or elsewhere) that can be solved with a bit of automation. Once you've found something to work on, fish around for the right tools(s) to solve the problem. You can use your peers in here or

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Mike Taylor
2009/7/22 Jacob skoc...@gmail.com: These are books that I have come back to time and time again.  They contain treasures worth a hundred time more than whatever currently trendy Design Pattern is being pushed by this month's hot book. You surely don't mean the GoF classic here, do you? It's a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Jon Gormanjonathan.gor...@gmail.com wrote: As far as languages, I'd probably lean towards ruby or python for starters or maybe Java.  Then move into php after you have a grasp of good programming practice.  You'll also figure out more what you like to work

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Ed Summers
Here's another reference to add to some of the great ones so far (hadn't seen that Norvig one before Chris!). Whatever you think about Perl, it's hard to argue with Larry Wall's 3 great virtues of a computer programmer: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?LazinessImpatienceHubris //Ed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Jon Gorman
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Ross Singerrossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Jon Gormanjonathan.gor...@gmail.com wrote: As far as languages, I'd probably lean towards ruby or python for starters or maybe Java.  Then move into php after you have a grasp of good

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Jacob wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Ross Singerrossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Jon Gormanjonathan.gor...@gmail.com wrote: As far as languages, I'd probably lean towards ruby or python for starters or maybe Java. ?Then move into

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I do think that what language you choose to learn in will effect what you learn though. As someone else mentioned, which was a good point, being exposed to good code is the best thing to help you learn to write it. And on that basis, PHP is maybe not a good choice, and Perl can be...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Jon Gorman wrote: [trimmed] Good point. One of my main thoughts was that ruby and python are both hot languages right now and there might be a lot of tutorials and tolerance out there now for the hello world type of approaches. I also considered for suggesting perl, but

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Joe Atzberger
It's about time to make this thread a wiki post. --Joe

[CODE4LIB] iPRES 2009 registration now open

2009-07-22 Thread Perry Willett
[cross-posted to padiforum-l, dlf-announce, diglib, digital-preservation, digipres, dspace-general, eprints-tech, fedora-commons-users, code4lib] Registration is now open for iPRES2009 in San Francisco. To register, go to the website at http://www.cdlib.org/iPres/registration.html and follow

[CODE4LIB] speaking of code4lib wiki pages on programming...

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Also note, as far as wiki posts, for those at a slightly more intermediate level, me and BillDueber tried starting this out, to try and develop some common knowledge about how to make a shared open source codebase that can actually be shared and not forked. Please feel free to add to or edit

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Cloutman, David
Most of the responses I've seen have focused on the raw technology. For a different perspective, I'm going to assume that you know how to program, and do it well, and that you are looking for advise with regards to working in a library. Here's my take: 1. Learn about your organization. Figure out

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Wayne Lam
Thank you so much for all the reply. Maybe i should say something about my background first. I was a business (information system) (a half computer, half business degree) student but i work in IT industry for more than 5 years (mainly web development), I learnt some basic language by that time

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Ed Summers
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Wayne Lamwing...@gmail.com wrote: So i start browsing on the internet about what OAI, Solr and all related thing without a direction, reading books on what Semantic web is and subscribe some mailing list of interesting projects. But for a newbie like me, it was

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Donahue, Amy (NIH/NLM) [C]
Just a quick thank you to everyone who contributed to this discussion. I've been a lurker for I think a couple years and have learned tons just being on the list and trying to absorb what I can without having any real coding experience (anyone ever hear of Dr. Scheme? That's the language I

[CODE4LIB] Mark your calendars for Code4Lib 2010: Monday February 22nd - Thursday February 25th

2009-07-22 Thread Jodi Schneider
It's official! Code4Lib 2010 will be held Monday February 22nd - Thursday February 25th at the Renaissance Asheville Hotel. Want to help with planning? Join the conference planning Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon Or volunteer to help on a committee:

Re: [CODE4LIB] David Walker Wins Third OCLC Research Software Contest

2009-07-22 Thread Andrew Nagy
david_walker++ Just watched the video - great job David! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Roy Tennant tenna...@oclc.org wrote: DUBLIN, Ohio, USA, 22 July 2009 David Walker Wins Third OCLC Research Software Contest David Walker has won the Third OCLC Research Software Contest with Bridge,

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: [NGC4LIB] Integrating with your ILS through Web services and APIs

2009-07-22 Thread Ross Singer
This seems a _far_ more appropriate list for these questions. -Ross. -- Forwarded message -- From: Breeding, Marshall marshall.breed...@vanderbilt.edu Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:53 PM Subject: [NGC4LIB] Integrating with your ILS through Web services and APIs To: