Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:44 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 05/19/2010 01:42 AM, Danny Baumann wrote: >> Hi, >> >> ... you're mixing compiz-0.8.6 with plugins-main and plugins-unsupported >> of 0.8.2. There was an ABI bump inbetween, so this isn't going to work. >> > > Danny, > > Thanks, you nailed this one. I figured this out when a did another > update and > yast recommended deleting the 8.2 unsupported package and installing the 8.6 > plugins. ( I don't know how that slipped by -- another DUNCE cap issue) > >>> Strange, 8.6 intentionally ignored my existing config in >>> ~/.config/compizconfig and created a new configuration in >>> ~/.config/compizconfig-1, which was fine because it left my 8.2 config as a >>> reference. If interested, the 8.2 config is here: >> >> That sounds ... weird, and upstream libcompizconfig definitely doesn't >> do that. Dominique, is there some magic involved in that in your >> packages? ;-) >> > > However it happened, this is what resulted: > > 09:23 alchemy:~/.config/compiz> l > drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2009-12-29 18:23 compizconfig/ > drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 18:49 compizconfig-1/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 15 2010-01-03 00:37 compiz-manager > -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 0 2010-01-03 00:37 enable-compiz > -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 103 2010-05-06 10:48 fusion-icon > > No big deal. It was a good test to go back and individually configure > each of > the plugins to see how 8.6 behaved. At least it is consistent. It did the same > thing on my i586 box: > > 09:20 zephyr:~> l .config/compiz > drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2008-10-07 00:29 compizconfig/ > drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:45 compizconfig-1/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 david users 0 2008-05-01 15:56 disable-compiz > -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 103 2010-05-04 03:01 fusion-icon > >> >> I vote for a driver problem. Neither cube, nor rotate or cubeaddon were >> touched between 0.8.2 and 0.8.6. >> > > Possible, but doubtful. I say that because adjusting the timestep has > the cube > or cylinder spinning fast as lightning, smoothly, with no jerks or anything > else > that looks like the gpu or driver is having difficulty keeping up with the > redraws, etc. That said, it may be a problem with the way the new libraries > interact with the fglrx driver. Up through 7.8, there were NO problems at all > with either keyboard or mouse rotation speed. Beginning in 8.2, the keyboard > rotation was like it was in slow motion, but mouse rotate continued to be > fine. > (previously posted here) No driver on linux has been able to get full screen video sync quite right until just recently, and that is only the open source intel driver with a kernel bufferswap ioctl. Those pixels on top of cube are probably a result of a mis-matched vsync. Blame ati ;-) > > In 8.6, the keyboard rotate was back to 'perfect', but with mouse > rotate, the > 'amount of angular rotation' had decreased to about 1/2 a revolution for your > normal mouse left/right movement. I don't know what setting controls the > (amount > of rotation)/(horiz. mouse movement), but that is what caused the rotation to > look slow. Playing with the timestep (which I guess is just some non-linear > multiplier for the amount of rotation/mouse movement has the thing spinning > like > a top. The timestep adjustment just has the side-effect of causing the > single-step keyboard rotate to 'over-rotate' before settling into view. But > like > mentioned before it is MUCH improved over 8.2. > >>> What I can't figure out is how can 'Cube Gears' work, but not >>> 'Photowheel'?? A >>> screenshot of the current 8.6 setup: >> >> You probably need to recompile photowheel, you didn't install it as part >> of a package, did you? > > Yes, Dominique advised that the plugins-unsupported, still won't > compile, so I > don't have the plugin. That became painfully obvious after the last updated > that > deleted the 8.2 unsupported package and installed the 8.6 version of > plugins-main that cured all the check/magic uncheck problems. > > Thank you for all your help. 8.6 is really in great shape. You guys > have done a > great job in the past year. Think about it. Through the challenges of near > civil > war, compiz moved forward, became further refined, continues to wipe the floor > with kde desktop effects, and is in great shape. That is -- a job well done :p > > > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC > 510 Ochiltree Street > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 > www.rankinlawfirm.com > ___ > compiz mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz > -- Sam Spilsbury ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
On 05/19/2010 01:42 AM, Danny Baumann wrote: > Hi, > > ... you're mixing compiz-0.8.6 with plugins-main and plugins-unsupported > of 0.8.2. There was an ABI bump inbetween, so this isn't going to work. > Danny, Thanks, you nailed this one. I figured this out when a did another update and yast recommended deleting the 8.2 unsupported package and installing the 8.6 plugins. ( I don't know how that slipped by -- another DUNCE cap issue) >> Strange, 8.6 intentionally ignored my existing config in >> ~/.config/compizconfig and created a new configuration in >> ~/.config/compizconfig-1, which was fine because it left my 8.2 config as a >> reference. If interested, the 8.2 config is here: > > That sounds ... weird, and upstream libcompizconfig definitely doesn't > do that. Dominique, is there some magic involved in that in your > packages? ;-) > However it happened, this is what resulted: 09:23 alchemy:~/.config/compiz> l drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2009-12-29 18:23 compizconfig/ drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 18:49 compizconfig-1/ -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 15 2010-01-03 00:37 compiz-manager -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr0 2010-01-03 00:37 enable-compiz -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr 103 2010-05-06 10:48 fusion-icon No big deal. It was a good test to go back and individually configure each of the plugins to see how 8.6 behaved. At least it is consistent. It did the same thing on my i586 box: 09:20 zephyr:~> l .config/compiz drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2008-10-07 00:29 compizconfig/ drwx-- 2 david dcr 4096 2010-05-18 10:45 compizconfig-1/ -rw-r--r-- 1 david users0 2008-05-01 15:56 disable-compiz -rw-r--r-- 1 david dcr103 2010-05-04 03:01 fusion-icon > > I vote for a driver problem. Neither cube, nor rotate or cubeaddon were > touched between 0.8.2 and 0.8.6. > Possible, but doubtful. I say that because adjusting the timestep has the cube or cylinder spinning fast as lightning, smoothly, with no jerks or anything else that looks like the gpu or driver is having difficulty keeping up with the redraws, etc. That said, it may be a problem with the way the new libraries interact with the fglrx driver. Up through 7.8, there were NO problems at all with either keyboard or mouse rotation speed. Beginning in 8.2, the keyboard rotation was like it was in slow motion, but mouse rotate continued to be fine. (previously posted here) In 8.6, the keyboard rotate was back to 'perfect', but with mouse rotate, the 'amount of angular rotation' had decreased to about 1/2 a revolution for your normal mouse left/right movement. I don't know what setting controls the (amount of rotation)/(horiz. mouse movement), but that is what caused the rotation to look slow. Playing with the timestep (which I guess is just some non-linear multiplier for the amount of rotation/mouse movement has the thing spinning like a top. The timestep adjustment just has the side-effect of causing the single-step keyboard rotate to 'over-rotate' before settling into view. But like mentioned before it is MUCH improved over 8.2. >> What I can't figure out is how can 'Cube Gears' work, but not 'Photowheel'?? >> A >> screenshot of the current 8.6 setup: > > You probably need to recompile photowheel, you didn't install it as part > of a package, did you? Yes, Dominique advised that the plugins-unsupported, still won't compile, so I don't have the plugin. That became painfully obvious after the last updated that deleted the 8.2 unsupported package and installed the 8.6 version of plugins-main that cured all the check/magic uncheck problems. Thank you for all your help. 8.6 is really in great shape. You guys have done a great job in the past year. Think about it. Through the challenges of near civil war, compiz moved forward, became further refined, continues to wipe the floor with kde desktop effects, and is in great shape. That is -- a job well done :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
On Mi, 2010-05-19 at 10:20 +0200, Danny Baumann wrote: > > What distro is that? That sounds like a weird distro patch, because > nothing in (upstream) core or compizconfig messes with user-set hsize > values. > It's Linux Mint so it could be any patch in Debian, Ubuntu or Mint itself :/ I don't remember when this first happened and I can live with it because I basically never touch these settings. It struck me as one of the weirdest things software ever did to me though ;) Best regards, Christian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
Am Mittwoch, den 19.05.2010, 10:05 +0200 schrieb Christian Mertes: > On Mi, 2010-05-19 at 08:42 +0200, Danny Baumann wrote: > > In the past (compiz > > > 0.5.6 - 0.8.2) there may have been one or two that would stick on > > > some weird XGL > > > issue, but I have a dozen or so that will not 'activate' for lack of > > > better words. (you check -> they uncheck 1-5 secs later) > > > > When that happens, compiz was unable to load the plugin you tried to > > activate. In your specific case ... > > I have this behaviour with "General Options->Desktop Size->Horizontal > Virtual Size" when trying to set it to 2 (which is kinda annoying > because that's exactly what I want it to be). It jumps to 3 by itself > after a small random amount of seconds. I can set the option using > gconf-editor (it's /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize in case > anyone having this problem finds this in a web search) without problems > and it sticks. > > Dunno if it helps but it seemed relevant, although I'm using good old > compiz 0.8.4 and it might just be a long fixed bug. What distro is that? That sounds like a weird distro patch, because nothing in (upstream) core or compizconfig messes with user-set hsize values. Regards, Danny ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
On Mi, 2010-05-19 at 08:42 +0200, Danny Baumann wrote: > In the past (compiz > > 0.5.6 - 0.8.2) there may have been one or two that would stick on > > some weird XGL > > issue, but I have a dozen or so that will not 'activate' for lack of > > better words. (you check -> they uncheck 1-5 secs later) > > When that happens, compiz was unable to load the plugin you tried to > activate. In your specific case ... I have this behaviour with "General Options->Desktop Size->Horizontal Virtual Size" when trying to set it to 2 (which is kinda annoying because that's exactly what I want it to be). It jumps to 3 by itself after a small random amount of seconds. I can set the option using gconf-editor (it's /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/hsize in case anyone having this problem finds this in a web search) without problems and it sticks. Dunno if it helps but it seemed relevant, although I'm using good old compiz 0.8.4 and it might just be a long fixed bug. Best regards, Christian signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
Hi, > Dominique, you wanted the feedback, and List, I need your help. I have > installed and fully configured (kicked the tires) on compiz 8.6 on openSuSE > 11.0 > and on balance it is great. There are a few weird things going on. Most > notably, > the number of options in ccsm that now uncheck themselves. In the past (compiz > 0.5.6 - 0.8.2) there may have been one or two that would stick on some weird > XGL > issue, but I have a dozen or so that will not 'activate' for lack of better > words. (you check -> they uncheck 1-5 secs later) When that happens, compiz was unable to load the plugin you tried to activate. In your specific case ... > compiz-0.8.6-46.1 > compiz-branding-openSUSE-0.8.6-46.1 > compizconfig-settings-manager-0.8.4-3.2 > compiz-emerald-0.8.2-2.2 > compiz-emerald-themes-0.6.0-16.1 > compiz-gnome-0.8.6-46.1 > compiz-kde-0.8.6-46.1 > compiz-plugins-extra-0.8.6-5.2 > compiz-plugins-main-0.8.2-100.1 > compiz-plugins-unsupported-0.8.2-100.1 ... you're mixing compiz-0.8.6 with plugins-main and plugins-unsupported of 0.8.2. There was an ABI bump inbetween, so this isn't going to work. > Strange, 8.6 intentionally ignored my existing config in > ~/.config/compizconfig and created a new configuration in > ~/.config/compizconfig-1, which was fine because it left my 8.2 config as a > reference. If interested, the 8.2 config is here: That sounds ... weird, and upstream libcompizconfig definitely doesn't do that. Dominique, is there some magic involved in that in your packages? ;-) > The first issue I notice with compiz 8.6 was slow rotation when using the > mouse to rotate the cube, cylinder, sphere and that the aspect ratio of the > cylinder was more hockey puck like than usual. There were blurs or pixelations > around the top edge of the cylinder that were noticeable as pixelation of the > top 2 lines of the screen when switching faces with the keyboard and were > readily visible in the screenshot of the cylinder: I vote for a driver problem. Neither cube, nor rotate or cubeaddon were touched between 0.8.2 and 0.8.6. > What I can't figure out is how can 'Cube Gears' work, but not 'Photowheel'?? A > screenshot of the current 8.6 setup: You probably need to recompile photowheel, you didn't install it as part of a package, did you? Regards, Danny ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
Re: [compiz] Compiz 8.6 on openSuSE 11.0 -- Success! But need help with a few issues.
On 05/18/2010 09:49 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > The Non-Working Features (I set, then magically they unset) > > Here is where I need the most help. In 8.6 there are a LOT of > features/options > that don't work. Here is a summary of what won't stay set for me. This came > from > my run-through of the settings and is probably 90% complete. Some I couldn't > try > because it would have disabled others like 'Show Desktop' and 'Fade Desktop' > or > Viewport Switcher which I don't use. I did try all but about 3-4 options. > These > were all working this morning on my box with the same hardware/software config > in compiz 8.2: > > Accessibility (non-working): Opacify, Show Mouse, (mouse polling) > > Desktop (non-working): Expo (I really miss Expo) > > Effects (non-working): Analglyphs, Animations, Animations Addons, Cube 3D, > Cube Atlantas, Snow Globe, Photowheel (likewise -- I really miss Photowheel) > > Utility (non-working): Resize Info, Scale Addons, Work Arounds > > Window Management (non-working): Put, Ring Switcher, Shift Switcher, > Static > Application Switcher, Tile > Dominique, Guys, I have installed the same packages on my i586 laptop (Toshiba p35A - ATI 9600GT gpu), same fglrx driver, and the above options work great. I'm beginning to believe that my x86_64 box has a config issue that may be causing the problems above. Specifically, under kde, the gnome-settings-daemon segfaults with: [1273770918,000,xklavier.c:xkl_engine_start_listen/]The backend does not require manual layout management - but it is provided by the application (gnome-settings-daemon:28671): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed [1]+ Segmentation fault /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon but runs fine under gnome. While I did my compiz 8.6 testing under gnome, I'm not convinced that there isn't something on my x86_64 laptop that could be causing the compiz 8.6 modules not to stay activated. I just wish I knew enough to troubleshoot the issue instead of throwing in the towel and reinstalling. (I've done all the basics, created new users, etc.. it's a system wide issue) On the i586 laptop I just got done installing the compiz 8.6 + 8.4 packages on, it all works -- well! So don't spend much thought on why the things won't activate on the x86_64 box, I don't think it's compiz. That said, if you have any thoughts on how the gnome-settings-daemon could run fine under gnome, but segfault when started under kde, then "throw a brother a bone", I have pulled my hair out on this one. Thanks, and great job with 8.6 :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com ___ compiz mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/compiz
