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prevent us from having to go into detail on these license issues, which
are harder to explain (and harder to convince people that they aren't
just Debian ranting, which seems to be a far-too-common opinion :( ).
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and recommended blatantly
non-free licenses, I generally my software under the GPL v2 only.
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this discussion before, and it strikes me, as, DFSG-free or not, we are
violating these people's copyrights. Is there a way to deal with such an
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case is more problematic, as they are released only under the MPL.
I can't think of another way, apart from
redesigning the mirror software.
Just when we are considering to drop some architectures to spare some
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Le mardi 05 avril 2005 12:50 -0600, Chris Friesen a crit :
Josselin Mouette wrote:
The fact is also that mixing them with a GPLed software gives
an result you can't redistribute - although it seems many people
disagree with that assertion now.
This is only true if the result
Luther believes it is possible if
the firmware has a decent (but not necessarily free) license.
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the users.
Some Debian developers have been writing such patches so that we can
still run Linux on this hardware, long before the topic was raised on
the LKML.
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documentation without an equal replacement is a
real disserve for your users.
GFDL documentation will still be available in the non-free archive.
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want the library to be included in a proprietary product, you might want
to use the LGPL, or the GPL with case-by-case exceptions for commercial
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files need to
be removed or all the other LGPL code relicensed to GPL. But
the 'compatible' from the 5) in dfsg-faq sound like the mixture is
okay and everything can stay as it is.
It is okay to mix them, but the mix can only be distributed under the
GPL, not the LGPL.
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Le lundi 16 mai 2005 à 20:33 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
So what? Are we going to remove any piece of software for which a
jackass claims he has some prior art?
I meant some patent, of course.
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not only providing Linux-based systems.
I agree we should name the system Debian, not Debian foobar/something.
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GPL-compatible license ?
Thanks for your advice.
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Thanks for making things clear.
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encountered performance issues on my 700 MHz Athlon system
with mplayer. That is a fact. Seven hundred million is a measurable
number : the number of cycles per second on that system.
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Isn't this also an issue with php4-mysql ? It is under the PHP license
which is GPL-incompatible.
What about the numerous PHP projects (many of which are even non-free)
making use of these bindings ?
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, but the FTP admins and I agreed
that having non-free source code in a package's .orig.tar.gz was
unacceptable even if it wasn't used for anything and did not appear in
any binary packages.
By removing invariant sections, don't we simply violate the GFDL ?
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documentation doesn't change anything to it.
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documentation is worse than
having no documentation at all.
Actually doing it is also the best way we have to make upstream authors
change their minds about the GFDL.
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documentation as well, that's fine, but I don't think you will find many
volunteers to do that.
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is invariant,
and it is not free (even according to your own definition), whether it
is secondary or not.
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sections is free for the GNU definition of freedom, instead of
repeating around and around you are not convinced by our arguments.
Maybe this would make a basis for more constructive discussion.
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this as
DFSG-free.
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Le mar 22/07/2003 à 21:11, Andrew Suffield a écrit :
I think it's a pretty silly license. I would ask upstream to change to
a simple MIT/X11.
Which is probably not what they want. LGPL would probably be closer to
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of code coming from
so many various sources ?
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Le jeu 07/08/2003 à 11:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Josselin Mouette wrote:
In case anybody's interested, I've just commited the GPLv2 'LICENSE' into
CVS,
to avoid further useless arguments.
Could you please explain how the presence of a LICENSE file in a CVS
tree affects in any
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Because there are valuable non-free software. Such as the FSF manuals.
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and the
willingness to remove non-free, and clearly the human brain (which was
not designed for quantum reasoning) cannot deal with that, leading to
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on how the *software* author (not the
license author) reads it. Without explicit clarification from the author
of the FDL'ed stuff, the licensing is non-free.
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Part 2. Status of Respondent
Please mark with an X the following item only if it is true.
[ X ] I am a Debian Developer as described in the Debian
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which guidelines you intend to apply to
documentation then? I'm rather curious to see which language tricks you
will be using to justify the GFDL being free.
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with your vision of pure FDL, so I'm afraid the obviously term should
be removed from your analysis.
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more control of the package contents in this case. So
FDL shifts control over specific parts of the documentation to software
author.
Do you realize you are reasoning just like the proprietary software
folks the FDL is supposedly meant to fight ?
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Le lun 25/08/2003 à 08:38, Sergey V. Spiridonov a écrit :
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Do you realize you are reasoning just like the proprietary software
folks the FDL is supposedly meant to fight ?
There is a basic difference between free software foundation folks and
proprietary software
?
You are a completely dumb moron.
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to invariant sections
or to the technical measures stuff in GFDL section 2? This is a matter
of concern on this list.
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Le lun 25/08/2003 à 16:21, Fedor Zuev a écrit :
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit :
When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect
to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad
Le lun 25/08/2003 à 20:32, Sergey V. Spiridonov a écrit :
Josselin Mouette wrote:
GPL doesn't take away freedom. It is a copyleft, full stop. As long as
you respect the copyleft, you are free to do anything you want with the
software. There is no limitation in what you can do
not be read as:
« L'ensemble des logiciels dans Debian demeureront totalement libres. »
However, I believe Jérôme can read correctly and is not stupid; maybe he
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assure compilable output, in the world.
Funny one.
I am sure you will point us to a magical OCR that can gather structural
information and extract e.g. scientific formulas from a document.
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to
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sorry if my answer seemed a bit rude, it was not meant to.
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at all, if he will
know, that Emacs and Manifesto written by the same man. (Btw, this
if a far more usual and far more honest behavior, than strip
Manifesto and continue to use it)
You don't understand what free software is about.
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with such a limitation.
Oh, but we already agree with such limitations. In the non-free section.
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. the backgrounds.
It would be more clever to dual-license it under either the current
license or another license; an old-style BSD license with advertising
clause or a simple copyleft license come up as reasonable choices.
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need to
change our minds, and you don't need to change your license.
That's not the way things work. You are free not to change your license,
and we are free to drop your documents if we feel your license is not
suitable.
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distribute.
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Le ven 29/08/2003 à 16:09, Mathieu Roy a écrit :
The DFSG itself does not meet the DFSG itself, if you think that no
text can be invariant.
Do you intend to repeat the whole load of silly things we have read
during last week on this list?
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whether or not a license is DFSG-free.
And the consensus is clear, even if we add your voice to the survey.
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the
name has to be changed. If the GFDL had such a clause instead of
invariant sections, it would be considered free.
Too bad, the DFSG still do not meet the DFSG if the GFDL do not meet
the DFSG.
Wrong.
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of Mathieu's intervention.
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effect on all users,
restricting the use of e.g. encrypted filesystems.
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you'll go on ignoring what was already said in this
thread, repeating things again and again.)
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, but the swirl logo fails the DFSG as well, as you can only use it
to refer to the project, and it doesn't allow explicitly other uses.
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it in a package, please report a serious bug against it.
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are the same but they are
small differences.
Name them.
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parts of the Debian
operating system, including documentations (BUT NOT THE OFFICIAL DEBIAN
LOGO WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE DEBIAN OPERATING SYSTEM), must be
DFSG-free.
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suitable for main. However, if
modifying them is achievable and potentially useful, they could be
considered the same as bitmap pictures when the layered source is
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Le lun 22/09/2003 à 16:04, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote:
If the binaries were entirely written using assembly code, the binary
here equates the source.
This is very rarely true. Even assembly code has variable and function
names, comments
FREE (it is written free on it, so it is certainly free)
documentation from the GREAT GNU project ?
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logo would be great to use, and certain packages
already do, except it has a non-free license!
The solution is not to stop using it, but rather to change its
licensing. Sadly, it will probably require a GR.
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, and am sure I am
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the ftpmasters that his
package is 100 % free software, and free of patent issues. You can call
this discrimination, I will call this careful attention towards some
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decode WMV8.
As Gabucino mentioned, it can also decode WMV9 using the win32 DLL's,
but distributing them is presumably illegal, so this is only a solution
for those who have a copy of some Windows version on their computer.
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So the question is, does this licensing allow for shipping the generated
files under any license? Here, the GPL.
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think effectively stop Debian from distributing
any GPLed work on a CD which conforms to the DFSG.
Oh dear.
Poor, poor horses. Even dead, they are never left alone.
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, there is no reason for us to have problems if it is
distributed in non-us. Wouldn't it be an appropriate place to distribute
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to Postscript), in which case the normal and reasonable
distortion that occurs during such conversion shall be permitted; and
(b) additional glyphs or characters may be added to the Fonts, so long
as the base set of glyphs is not modified or removed.
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, but if you change this to
that, it's properly free.
This is exactly why I added debian-legal as a CC, but you removed it in
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the headers.
Please, keep the discussion on the debian-legal mailing list (which has
nothing to do with the bug tracking system) and stop answering
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, but they should try to modify the DFSG then.
Could you explain why DFSG#5 couldn't be invoked in this case?
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Le vendredi 09 septembre 2005 à 00:41 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
On Sep 09, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is nothing wrong with this, and I'm not a fan of choice of venue
clauses either, but they should try to modify the DFSG then.
Could you explain why DFSG#5
demonstrably be translated back
and forth to one of those formats without loss of information.
This wording is even worse than source format, IMHO.
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on) of
the
operating system on which the executable runs, unless that
component
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mere existence is sufficient)
Shouldn't packages that require something outside the archive, be it
free or not, be in contrib?
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this makes the dependent applications become
subject to the GPL? Is a non-GPL-compatible application making use of
gnome-vfs violating the license?
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Some artists unhappy with the wording of the (L)GPL are looking for free
art licenses, with or without copyleft. What would your recommendations
for such licenses be? The BSD or Artistic licenses look fine for the
latter case, but how about the former?
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Le vendredi 28 avril 2006 à 10:33 +1000, Andrew Donnellan a écrit :
Section 8 - French law - seems to make it non-free by DFSG standards.
We've never considered choice of law as non-free. Such clauses are
considered moot in most juridictions anyway.
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anything to do with
regard to patents. We should entirely ignore them unless directly
threatened, and such issues that depend so much on the country should be
up to the end-user to deal with.
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. This was obviously
wrong. You haven't changed a bit, and such attitude may be a standard
for a part of the ftp-master team, but it is not responsible behavior
from the DPL.
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But this would have meant transparency and public discussion, respecting
the social contract, and so on. All these secondary issues AJ doesn't
want to deal with.
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like thanking anyone for
that.
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