Re: Tabbed windows in Mutter/Metacity

2009-07-13 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 00:29 +0200, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: Op dinsdag 07-07-2009 om 09:18 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Sam H: I would like to implement support for tabbed windows in Mutter, and was hoping for some helpful pointers. I envision tabbed windows working essentially the

Re: Tabbed windows in Mutter/Metacity

2009-07-13 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:33 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:18, Sam H wrote: Hey all, I would like to implement support for tabbed windows in Mutter, and was hoping for some helpful pointers. I envision tabbed windows working essentially the same way that tabs work in

Re: Modulesets Reorganization

2010-06-02 Thread Allan Day
2. The much touted homogeneity and consistent quality of GNOME is (imho) largely a thing of the past. There have been no organized UI reviews of new modules in a long time, the HIG has not been updated to match the UIs we see in current applications. Something we should fix? I think

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-04 Thread Allan Day
On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 10:36 +0100, Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi Christopher! Besides... did modularity ever enslave a GNOME developer? Never. I expected more than a statement like that. This modularity prevents to create a solid user experience in various ways because everything needs to

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-04 Thread Allan Day
I don't see gnome-applets as part of GNOME 3. But it doesn't mean we cannot ship gnome-applets 3.x. GNOME 3 is about gnome-shell. Gnome-applets will always be a fallback. A fallback which includes gnome-applets would be nice. But it is a still fallback. So the statement: gnome 3 is not

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-04 Thread Allan Day
Assume this: - Power-User - using Compiz/Sawfish/Whatever - wants to use Compiz/Sawfish/Whatever with GNOME-Shell as he likes both What now? You said that you would like them to stay at GNOMEs, but how do you want to achieve that? (that's a serious question!). By making GNOME 3 the best

GNOME Shell UX validation [Was: My thoughts on fallback mode]

2011-01-04 Thread Allan Day
Well, now that people are throwing percents at each other, it is a very interesting point as such - does anybody know anything about userbase whose experience GNOME3 is going to improve? I am not ranting/trolling here, I am really interested. Was there any research made? There is an

Cantarell? (Was: Re: Planned GNOME Shell UI changes (was Re: String and UI Change Announcement))

2011-01-12 Thread Allan Day
Given recent discussions regarding the use of this list, I'm unsure whether I should be responding to this question here. That said, I do want to ensure that people get answers to queries like this. Andrew Cowie wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 12:33 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: * The default font

Re: Fanza Icon Set

2011-01-24 Thread Allan Day
Hi Nick, This probably isn't the best list for this discussion though, to be fair, I don't know which one would be... Nick wrote: I haven't seen any mention of a new icon set for Gnome 3 (forgive me if I'm mistaken) but could I bring attention to the Faenza Icon set[1]? Is there an

Re: IRC channels in gnome development

2011-02-06 Thread Allan Day
Hi, Maciej Piechotka wrote: FLAMEThen show delyourdelinsdesign team/ins work! All I'm hearing is that research have been done and the issue have been taken into consideration during disussion but I DON'T have any references. I cannot see logs of IRC (at least google is not showing them),

Re: UI Mockup for Gnome 3.XX Share section of System Settings

2011-02-06 Thread Allan Day
Gendre Sebastien wrote: So, I update it to a version 3. News: - Use the switch GTK Widget. - Remove Apply and Cancel buttons. - Add Bluetooth sharing option. - Some changes on tabulation to be OK with the present Printer panel of Control Center. - Add mochup for options window.

Re: IRC channels in gnome development

2011-02-08 Thread Allan Day
Hey Andy, Andy Wingo wrote: Hi Alan, FWIW I mostly like GNOME 3, so I don't want to pile on the flamefest. But this bothered me: On Sun 06 Feb 2011 15:27, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com writes: Even if you had records of every discussion, you wouldn't get the information you're

Re: Release Notes time!

2011-03-10 Thread Allan Day
I'm going to start writing a first draft of the release notes very soon. There are still a bunch of apps that are missing from the preparatory notes [1], however. I know for certain that there have been improvements to gedit... What about Empathy? What about games? What about Rhythmbox? What about

Re: no way to change theme or fonts in System Settings?

2011-03-17 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 11:15 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: The story I've heard is that we haven't supported themes because we make no guarantees about CSS class stability: CSS support was a nifty thing that was added so that we could put up a couple actors and

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mardi 22 mars 2011 à 10:02 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : - Sadly, empathy is not a great chat application; with chat being such a prominent feature in 3.0, we really should be doing much better here. I'm sorry to hear that. Empathy is great. I definitely

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
Matthias Clasen wrote: With GNOME 3.0 going into code freeze any day now, it is high time that we start looking beyond 3.0 and start collecting ideas and making plans for what comes next. To that end, I have collected a list of things that have fallen off the 3.0 train at one point or

What are the current HIG? [Was: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans]

2011-03-23 Thread Allan Day
Richard Hughes wrote: On 23 March 2011 11:08, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Software aside, we really need that new version of the HIG that we've been talking about (Calum has been taking this forward recently)! In related news, I have no idea what the HIG is supposed to be for 3.0

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-24 Thread Allan Day
snip Frederic Peters wrote: Allan Day wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: With GNOME 3.0 going into code freeze any day now, it is high time that we start looking beyond 3.0 and start collecting ideas and making plans for what comes next. To that end, I have collected a list of things

Re: GNOME 3.2 ideas and plans

2011-03-28 Thread Allan Day
Guillaume Desmottes wrote: Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 11:08 +, Allan Day a écrit : I'd also like to see us concentrate on the design quality of our core applications. I'm starting planning goals for Empathy 3.2 and would like some input from the design team on some point. So I went

Re: Musings on the contacts user experience

2011-04-29 Thread Allan Day
Hey Alex! This is great. I've been doing some work on this recently, and we seem to be thinking about the same problems (good thing!) Alexander Larsson wrote: I've been looking at the contact feature for Gnome 3.2 [1], trying to understand what we want from this and how it would look. The

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-11 Thread Allan Day
Hi Michael, Michael Terry wrote: Hello! You may remember me as the bloke that proposed the Déjà Dup backup tool as a GNOME module a little back, right as modules were being reorganized. I've been encouraged to try again as a Feature. I don't fully understand the process, but I gather an

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-11 Thread Allan Day
Michael Terry wrote: Hi, Allan. Thanks for your past and continuing help with design! :) Answers below. On 11 May 2011 11:33, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: This looks like an improvement on the UI that you presented the last time you proposed Deja Dup. It could still be much

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-12 Thread Allan Day
Sam Thursfield wrote: ... snip ... * Branding - a part of the core should be branded as a part of GNOME 3, and I don't think we'd want GNOME's new backup facility to visibly exist outside of GNOME. Could you clarify this one a little? On first read it sounds like if Deja Dup becomes

Re: no external panels for gnome-control-center [was Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup]

2011-05-12 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 16:44 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:37 +0200, Ted Gould wrote: Could someone please articulate the GNOME position for downstream distributors of GNOME technologies? It seems to me the previous position was to use the

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-12 Thread Allan Day
Michael Terry wrote: On 11 May 2011 19:18, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at your proposal it seems that you are proposing Deja Dup for inclusion in the GNOME core. You also seem to want it to be developed on LP and for it to simultaneously exist as a standalone app, though

Re: Feature Proposal - Sushi

2011-05-12 Thread Allan Day
Cosimo Cecchi wrote: Hi everyone, It's too late for feature proposal, but I've been encouraged to post this here anyway. Sushi [1] is a quick previewer application, targeting integration with file managers such as Nautilus - you can read more about it in a blog post I wrote some time ago

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-13 Thread Allan Day
Hi Michael, Thanks for all of this. Let me reiterate that I *really* want to see Deja Dup in 3.2. We just need to figure out how to make it work. Michael Terry wrote: On 12 May 2011 17:05, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I presume you'd be happy for Deja Dup to become a GNOME Control

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-13 Thread Allan Day
Michael Terry wrote: On 13 May 2011 12:28, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Would you be willing to use GNOME Bugzilla? That specifically would be the hardest part of an infrastructure move. Some important downstreams (Ubuntu and flavors) and my sister project Duplicity are all in LP

Re: GNOME Feature Proposal: Backup

2011-05-20 Thread Allan Day
Dave Neary wrote: snip Leaving aside because that's the way it is as a reason for a second, what are the potential issues we'd have using Launchpad? * Bug reporters would have to have an easy way to report bugs against Deja Dup through gnome.org * GNOME developers would need to reassign

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-05-20 Thread Allan Day
Hi José, On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:52 -0400, José Aliste wrote: Hi, I have a simple question (hopefully ddl is the right mail list for this): how are we supposed to interact with the design team? it seems that the best way is contacting them through irc in #gnome-design, but what about

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-05-31 Thread Allan Day
Hi Dave, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Allan Day wrote: #gnome-design is good; so is the usability list. The ui-review Bugzilla keyword gets used in GNOME Shell and the control center. We could try that here too. Presumably you others are still not interested in drawing a few developers

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Day
Dave Neary wrote: By working real-time, you are preventing a relationship from being built beyond a small group of people. Those people work closely together, but have the appearance of a closed tight-knit clique from outside the group. There is no transparency about what the design team is,

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-06 Thread Allan Day
Johannes Schmid wrote: Hi Allan! Yes. *I* was annoyed by the recent Deja Dup discussion, and felt that the developer got short-changed at the end of the day. I was very annoyed at the systemd as external dependency discussion, and the message that some people following along the GNOME

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-07 Thread Allan Day
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: can you please explain to me, in a short sentence, what do you want to achieve? not how, but precisely what. I have said that already: I want

Re: On the Interaction with the design team

2011-06-10 Thread Allan Day
Frederic Muller wrote: On 06/07/2011 04:53 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote: Also, while I'm not a designer, yesterday I wanted to propose some new stuff, and it was easy to get the design team to find a solution for proposals (https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals ), so from my (short)

Re: Testing out jhbuild

2011-08-01 Thread Allan Day
Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: To me, the criterion for success is that someone can start from scratch, without knowing much about Linux development and have a working build within an hour or so, without having to babysit it. Any sort of babysitting makes things much longer for

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Allan Day
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better than

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Allan Day
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Allan Day
Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy pclo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I never found the time to do a proper write up of the user testing I did on the shell. It was brief and ad hoc; I can tell you that the five participants in my study were all

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Allan Day
More selective answers... :) On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno sab, 20/08/2011 alle 12.04 +0100, Allan Day ha scritto: This is the first time I see the amount of users tested, and the exact tasks involved. I think it should go

Re: GNOME 3.1.90 beta released!

2011-09-01 Thread Allan Day
Hey Denis! On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Denis Washington den...@online.de wrote: Am 01.09.2011 11:34, schrieb Frederic Peters: Hello all, This is 3.1.90, and it's out! It's the first beta of what will be GNOME 3.2, enjoy it while it's time, the next beta (3.1.91) will arrive next week.

Re: Empty Power panel in System Settings

2011-09-12 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: I had a bug this week where the power was screwy and GNOME briefly thought my laptop was a desktop. I was awfully surprised to see that the Power panel in System Settings 3.2 has only one item Suspend when inactive for

Re: 3.4 Release Notes time - Help needed!

2012-03-14 Thread Allan Day
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: ... time to start preparing the GNOME 3.4 release notes to tell users, developers and press what's new and great in GNOME! This means: We need YOUR help as you know best! Please take two minutes:  * What new features does

Re: A weather app for GNOME

2012-03-26 Thread Allan Day
Hi Giovanni, On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: Hello desktop-devel, 3.4 is almost out, so it's time to start thinking about 3.5, and how to make it even more wonderful. As a quick afternoon hack, I built a Weather app, following the designs

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Allan Day
Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: ... There are 3 issues in discussion or in development where Zeitgeist integration is reaching a halt due to the uncertainty of where Zeitgeist stands: Epiphany (Web): There has long been discussions on how to deploy Zeitgeist as a backend for Web. Web needed

Re: Feature Proposal: finding and rediscovering shared links

2012-04-21 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: ... So a possible view for this feature can be done in Web: Links received can then be automatically put in the queue of Web. And once visited can be taken out of the queue. Another possible view would be a dialog for

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Allan Day
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 13:46 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan

Design in the open

2012-04-25 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, Apologies in advance for the long mail - there was no other way. There have been a few design-related threads on the list recently. I’m going to try and reboot those discussions in a slightly different and, I hope, more constructive mode. Let’s start with the big picture - design is

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-04-25 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Sergey Udaltsov sergey.udalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think you can infer that from the answers. I'm one of the people who said they use Compose. I don't particularly care which key it is, as long as I can reach it without taking my hands away from home row.

Re: Design in the open

2012-04-25 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM, John Stowers john.stowers.li...@gmail.com wrote: So there are lots of ways that we can do design better as a community, and contributors on this list can all play a part in helping to make us to be even more successful in this regard. It will take actions as

Re: Design in the open

2012-04-25 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, April 25, 2012 9:27 am, Allan Day wrote: Echoing what Brian said, I like these suggestions for improvement! Are there any that we can turn into concrete initiatives that we can organize soon and perhaps fundraise

Re: Design in the open

2012-04-25 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: ... * better testing facilities so people can test and give feedback on UX changes before release time What would this entail? This sounds like it could be incredibly helpful if we could find the resources

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-04-26 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 15:31 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: no way to find the audience that would be unbiased? Are you just implying that the current userbase of GNOME is so geekish that fair survey among

GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-04-26 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, Last release we introduced the ability for applications to define a GMenu (or 'application menu'). This means that applications now have a place to locate global application (as opposed to per window) menu items. Some applications have already started to use a GMenu, and while this is

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-04-26 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 13:55 +0100, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, Last release we introduced the ability for applications to define a GMenu (or 'application menu'). This means that applications now have a place to locate

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-04-26 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: ... I believe we were talking about keeping File/Edit/View while adding a GMenu. If so, the UI would be quite confusing if some things were taken out of the normal File/Edit/View menus. If all we're talking about is how

Re: Design in the open

2012-04-27 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Luca Ferretti lferr...@gnome.org wrote: 2012/4/25 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: ... So, IMHO a design driven GNOME needs good desing documents. The design document is a written contract[4] between designers and other teams, more time you spend writing it, less

Re: About fast dial contacts in Overview mode

2012-05-03 Thread Allan Day
Hey Petris, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! Since GNOME Shell 3.2 I love feature of overview accessing contacts database and looking up their status. However, while I understand reasoning to have default behaviour to just open entry in Contacts app, I would like to

Re: Design in the open

2012-05-05 Thread Allan Day
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: ... As a way to solve these issues, I'd like to follow up on an idea which I sketched during last year's Desktop Summit - namely, about constructing a pattern language for Gnome's design based on the good things

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-05-07 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 13:55 +0100, Allan Day wrote: It would be great if we could improve on the current situation and ensure that all our applications present an appropriate set of items in their GMenu

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-05-07 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Matteo Settenvini matteo...@member.fsf.org wrote: Il giorno lun, 07/05/2012 alle 16.15 +1000, Andrew Cowie ha scritto: I ask this because Epiphany¹ has no menu, but does and a funky button over on the right that, upon investigation, turns out to be a menu has

Re: GNOME Goal Proposal: Port to GMenu

2012-05-07 Thread Allan Day
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Evandro Giovanini efgiovan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Xan Lopez x...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote: Is there a reference application doing this right? I ask this

Re: Feature Proposal: finding and rediscovering shared links

2012-05-09 Thread Allan Day
Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: I created a new wiki page for this. Hylke and Garrett have been helping out on the idea and the design. https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/FindingAndRediscoveringSharedLinks I'm confused. Your original proposal for this feature was to add

Re: 3.6 Feature: Lock Screen

2012-05-09 Thread Allan Day
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Lionel proposes to consider merging the login screen and the lock screen as both are about logging in. In the end Allan wrote let's continue some place

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Allan Day
Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote: Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. Or use fcitx instead of IBus? I

Re: application menu design - contributing to the wiki on live.gnome.org

2012-05-16 Thread Allan Day
Hey! Feel free to use the playground space for your ideas. That's what it's there for. :) Allan On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Pigeon Lips pigeonl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All,  a very friendly person on the gnome IRC put me on this mailing list. Long story short i wanted to add an article 

Re: live image

2012-05-18 Thread Allan Day
Hey Ray, Ray Strode halfl...@gmail.com wrote: ... I put together a live image with a jhbuild built in it here: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/gnome/misc/testing/GNOME-3.5.1-LiveUSB.iso ... It's a little hacked together, at the moment.  I'd like to get the process I used more refined and

Re: taking features away (compact view removed from Nautilus)

2012-07-02 Thread Allan Day
Adam Dingle a...@yorba.org wrote: I realized recently to my surprise and dismay that the compact view has been removed from Nautilus: Adam, if you wanted to discuss this change, you could have done so on the bug or on the Nautilus mailing list, or by asking on #gnome-design. I would have been

Re: taking features away (compact view removed from Nautilus)

2012-07-02 Thread Allan Day
Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: ... The anti-pattern for both removals is like, there's some peeling paint in this house - let's bulldoze the neighborhood. ... How do you know that was the reason for the decision, if the background hasn't been explained? The anti-pattern for

Re: GNOME Games split

2012-10-17 Thread Allan Day
Robert Ancell robert.anc...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder: are you looking for maintainers for any of these games, or are you going to take charge of all of them? Also, are any of these deemed to be core right now? We're currently discussing the maintainership of them at the moment:

Re: Icons in notification area

2012-10-31 Thread Allan Day
Hey Dulek, We don't encourage minimize to tray or similar patterns for GNOME 3. That was always a big usability problem in GNOME 2 and we're trying to make things simpler and easier to use. In general, applications should have a visible window while they are running, although there are minor

Re: GNOME Games split

2012-11-14 Thread Allan Day
Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.com wrote: When I looked at this last, I came up with the shortlist of aisleriot, sudoku, iagno and tetravex. These seem to cover the categories you describe above. They also have concepts that are clear and easy to pick up. While people might like mines, I

Re: GNOME Games split

2012-11-16 Thread Allan Day
Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas H.P. Andersen pho...@gmail.com wrote: When I looked at this last, I came up with the shortlist of aisleriot, sudoku, iagno and tetravex. These seem to cover the categories you describe above. They also have concepts that are clear and easy to pick

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Allan Day
Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: to be fair, I'd envision this as a completely separate session that you need to install and select, similar to what Ubuntu does — especially if we want to call it GNOME Classic. Agreed. I don't think a separate session will work very well for

Re: Fallback mode is going away - what now ?

2012-11-23 Thread Allan Day
Florian Müllner fmuell...@gnome.org wrote: ... The Tweak Tool shouldn't have anything to do with extensions. They are something that you install and run as a part of the system, not something to be tweaked via settings. While I agree with you that gnome-tweak-tool (and package managers (*))

Re: steam games

2013-02-14 Thread Allan Day
Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: ... What do people think about this? If there is agreement what would be a good way to track? Worth having a GNOME Goal to track this? Seems worthwhile to track this. How many bugs and affected modules are we talking about here? Allan -- IRC: aday

Re: steam games

2013-02-15 Thread Allan Day
Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Certainly, the first one I filed is this one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693551 ... I found it a surprisingly smooth experience given its early stage. I have however spotted one issue: Adjusting the master volume in-game via the

Release Notes Time!

2013-02-27 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, It's that time again! GNOME 3.8 is due for release on 27 March: that means we have about two weeks to get the release notes fully written - that's not much time at all. Enter a trance-like state. Cast your mind back over the last six months. Ask yourself: is there anything I have done

Re: Possible to fix glaring Gjs API issues before GNOME 4?

2013-02-28 Thread Allan Day
Javier Jardón jjar...@gnome.org wrote: On 28 February 2013 08:26, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote: But it seems like it would be a good idea to start explicitly noting planned future ABI breaks in some way, somewhere, so nothing gets forgotten when it does come, and so people can see the big

Re: Release Notes Time!

2013-03-04 Thread Allan Day
Some of you have been awesome and have given me nice notes on what you did over the past 6 months. The rest of you are very bad people. There is time to redeem yourselves, but the window of opportunity is closing. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/

Re: Release Notes Time!

2013-03-08 Thread Allan Day
This is your final call! The Release Notes are pretty much done and I'm looking to get them nailed down at the beginning of next week. If you have anything that should be included and isn't [1], please fill in the wiki page [2] asap. Allan [1]

Re: Bijiben

2013-03-13 Thread Allan Day
Hi Pierre-Yves, Pierre-Yves Luyten p...@luyten.fr wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:31:21 +0100, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: (...) Still we *highly* encourage you to communicate your plans for your projects early. I'm requesting a new module inclusion : Bijiben It's another note taking

GSoC Internship Ideas

2013-03-27 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, Marina mentioned to me that we still need more ideas for this year's GSoC [1]. If you would like to mentor someone, please get in touch: it's really important that we have enough mentors and internship ideas. If you are willing to be a mentor but aren't sure about what you'd work on, I

Re: What can you tell new about Content Selection?

2013-04-08 Thread Allan Day
application. Here's Allan Day on the subject, and a wiki page: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/gnome-design-update-part-two/ https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/ContentSelection Me and Jon were investigating this for a while, but it is dependent on us having each

Re: [GSoC '13]Gnome Tweak Tool UI Refresh Project

2013-04-17 Thread Allan Day
Hi Vishrut, I came up with some wireframes for the Tweak Tool [1], which I'd be happy to discuss. You should also make contact with John Stowers, who is the Tweak Tool maintainer. Best wishes, Allan [1]

Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, This is something that me, Jon and Jakub have been thinking about for some time, and is now at the stage where we can start to think about implementation. I'm proposing it as a feature for 3.10 [1]. The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and

Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hi Alberto, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. This will enable us to resolve a number of UX issues we've encountered with the existing design (badness on touch, difficulties

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Part two of my reply. :) Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: ... More details are outlined on the wiki [2]. If you do look at the designs, please pay particular attention to the example scenarios - these give a clearer idea of what the menu will actually look like. The designs aren't

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: Otherwise, the UX of the giant dialog looks good to me, and I'm already starting to implement it. (But where's the avatar?) Avatar? Excellent. Is there a bug to track it? Not yet. It's in a local branch on my system, as it's nowhere near

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 14:36 +0100, Allan Day wrote: The main element of the design is to combine the sound, network, bluetooth, power and user menus into a single menu. The update proposal [1] lists the following items as problems

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Hey Giovanni! Giovanni Campagna scampa.giova...@gmail.com wrote: As one of the implementors of the current status icons, and current developer of gnome-shell, I can tell it's a small can of worms, but that's not what this is about. Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion,

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Thanks, I must have missed it. I did peruse it and it's still an extra click and misses the convenience of going to the network menu and hitting vpn on. If you're doing a lot of it I can see it getting a little irritating. Yep, that's a downside

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote: This all looks so ... crowded in the wireframes. So very very crowded. That can't be good? First of all, did you look at the example scenarios? On my current machine, the user menu has 6 items, with the avatar, user name and chat status on top.

Re: Feature proposal: combined system status menu

2013-04-22 Thread Allan Day
Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote: Rather, what I'd like to point out is that, in my opinion, this needs more thinking through before going straight to shipping. I mean, I trust the design team and I value your experience in the field, but this is another radical change, and it's

Re: Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-24 Thread Allan Day
Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: ... we have to question ourselves if this is another trend like the netbook one that is somewhat transient and misleading. ... I'd make a distinction here between transformers (Docable tablet that turns into a laptop+trackpad) that switches between touch

Re: Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-24 Thread Allan Day
Tomas Frydrych tf+lists.gn...@r-finger.com wrote: ... As a basic, but I think pertinent, example -- if one of the reasons for the current design being touch unfriendly is that certain UI elements are too small (which is the most rudimentary problem any UI moving from pointer to touch faces),

Re: Touchscreen Compatibility [was: Feature proposal: combined system status menu]

2013-04-30 Thread Allan Day
Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: ... But also some problems has arisen in the effort of being compatible with touch devices.For example, I think that the UI of new applications like Documents are very touch friendly, but it's weird for keyboard + mouse users. It is weird because

Re: GNOME throbber inconsistencies?

2013-05-01 Thread Allan Day
Hey Marco, Marco Scannadinari ma...@scannadinari.co.uk wrote: The GTK+ throbber is a dotted animation, but the one used in clutter apps / UIs use a different icon - instead of dots, it uses longer lines. Is this a design decision? If it is please consider the points made below: - It is

Re: GNOME throbber inconsistencies?

2013-05-01 Thread Allan Day
Marco Scannadinari ma...@scannadinari.co.uk wrote: Cosimo or Benjamin can tell you more about the specifics. Thanks. By Cosmio and Benjamin, do you mean Cosimo Cecchi and Benjamin Otte? I do indeed. :) (I was kinda hoping that they'd chime in.) Allan

Re: GNOME throbber inconsistencies?

2013-05-02 Thread Allan Day
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Cosimo Cecchi cosi...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Marco Scannadinari ma...@scannadinari.co.uk wrote: I think using the very nice throbber by the Tango people would look a lot nicer and reduce the work (?) needed to standardise the throbber

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