Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Hi Charlie, On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 00:58, Charlie Russel char...@scribes.com wrote: The key to Bill's problems were the requirement for full administrative privileges, I'm sure. (I _thought_ that was called out in the readme, but maybe not. Have to look.) And the requirement that the setupx64.cmd file run from the same drive letter as your system drive. (or, more accurately, as your %programfiles% drive.) Oh, there's a readme? I'd forgotten :-) Sorry to hear about Windows 7. We could look into what's breaking, I wouldn't give up so soon... :) Well, it's going to RC soonish, from the sounds of it. I had it on build 7000 (the widely available public beta build) on a machine that was an update from Vista where it was working. It loaded fine (but the colours are all different again, so we need to deal with that), but as soon as you clicked on it, Explorer crashed. Couldn't even unload it - the attempt would crash it and it would reload with explorer. Crashes feel bad, but they can be caused by some minor glitch. Let's see if we can debug it at some point, and figure out how bad it really is. Cheers, - Kim -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Oh, there's a readme? I'd forgotten :-) g Crashes feel bad, but they can be caused by some minor glitch. Let's see if we can debug it at some point, and figure out how bad it really is. Be happy to, but it may have to wait a bit. Probably until at least the RC, just so we don't have to worry as much about them doing something to invalidate our work on it. And besides, I'm a bit buried right now. BTW, the problem exists on 32-bit as well, so it isn't 64-bit specific. Charlie. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Hi Kim, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:49:52 +0100, you [Kim Gräsman] wrote: }Did you use the dqsdx64-4100-beta.zip from: }http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=42081package_id=34145 Not exactly, the URL got mine from was as above with 'release_id=618124' added to it. They both appear to be the same file(s). }We could've done a better job on documentation, but you're supposed to }unpack that zip to a temp directory, and then run the embedded }setupx64.cmd batch file to install DQSD. I have now done that with no result whatsoever. Nothing on screen, nothing installed. Please bear in mind that this is an Intel processor and not an AMD as the install file suggests. -- Bill -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Hi Bill, On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 15:12, bill.hew...@sentex.net wrote: Hi Kim, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:49:52 +0100, you [Kim Gräsman] wrote: }Did you use the dqsdx64-4100-beta.zip from: }http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=42081package_id=34145 Not exactly, the URL got mine from was as above with 'release_id=618124' added to it. They both appear to be the same file(s). }We could've done a better job on documentation, but you're supposed to }unpack that zip to a temp directory, and then run the embedded }setupx64.cmd batch file to install DQSD. I have now done that with no result whatsoever. Nothing on screen, nothing installed. Please bear in mind that this is an Intel processor and not an AMD as the install file suggests. SourceForge didn't have any generic 64-bit available, so we had to pick AMD-64 to signify that it was a 64-bit build. We've tested it on Intel, as far as I remember, so it should work. Try starting up a command window (start - run... - cmd) and CD into your temporary unpack dir. Then run setupx64.cmd from there and see what it outputs. Thanks, - Kim -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Bill, Glad to hear you got it working! We definitely need to document the steps for installing the x64 build... - Kim On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 16:37, bill.hew...@sentex.net wrote: Hi Kim, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:15:38 +0100, you [Kim Gräsman] wrote: }SourceForge didn't have any generic 64-bit available, so we had to }pick AMD-64 to signify that it was a 64-bit build. We've tested it on }Intel, as far as I remember, so it should work. Well, it does... }Try starting up a command window (start - run... - cmd) and CD into }your temporary unpack dir. Then run setupx64.cmd from there and see }what it outputs. Ok, I managed to install from the cmd console, but not without some hassles. The main problem was trying to do this install without full admin privileges. Once that had been sorted away (and ignoring all the MS threats) the install went smoothly. However, upon reboot I lost all keyboard and mouse input (they were wireless). I tried replacing them with wired components to no avail. A hard shutdown was done, and of course the 'not a proper shutdown' screen appeared upon startup but after that all appears to be fine. DQSD looks good blending into the Aero taskbar nicely. Now once I have transferred over my personal settings from the old drive I will be a very happy camper. Thanks for your patience and help, Kim -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Hi Charlie, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:37:53 -0800, you [Charlie Russel] wrote: }That should work. At least it did here. (and no, I'm now on Win7 and that breaks it again. I've about given up. Unless we create a Gadget for Vista/Win7, I think we're doomed to be playing hopeless catchup. Thanks for the info, Charlie. I've now got it working, thanks to Kim, on Vista 64. I'm beginning to regret ever leaving XP 32 for this PITA system! I don't even want to think about the place that you are at now! -- Bill -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Actually, in many ways, Win7 is better/easier than Vista. I'm really looking forward to it being released. But for applications like ours, it's really a challenge. I've had to mostly stop using DQSD. Not what I wanted, I miss it every day. But it crashes explorer in Win7, and I can't run it off the terminal server without running a full desktop session. And I'm using TS RemoteApps for most things these days. I'd really like to see us have a Vista/Win7 gadget for this. It would get us out of the UAC issues, get us off the taskbar (where MS doesn't like anyone else to play), and give us some version neutrality. But while I don't think it is a huge developmental hit, it's way more than I can do any more. Charlie. -Original Message- From: bill.hew...@sentex.net [mailto:bill.hew...@sentex.net] Sent: February-10-09 10:52 AM To: DQSD users mailing list Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64 Hi Charlie, On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:37:53 -0800, you [Charlie Russel] wrote: }That should work. At least it did here. (and no, I'm now on Win7 and that breaks it again. I've about given up. Unless we create a Gadget for Vista/Win7, I think we're doomed to be playing hopeless catchup. Thanks for the info, Charlie. I've now got it working, thanks to Kim, on Vista 64. I'm beginning to regret ever leaving XP 32 for this PITA system! I don't even want to think about the place that you are at now! -- Bill -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
Re: [DQSD-Users] DQSD Install Problems - Vista 64
Cool, I didn't know that. I was worried that we might be facing *another* port to AMD-64 :) No, no worries there. There are a very few things that one or the other does slightly differently, and probably only the Intel compiler knows what they are. AMD64 completely caught Intel by surprise, they were trying to push everyone to Itanium. And when AMD came out with a very fast, very compatible, 64-bit processor that MS agreed to support, Intel basically had no choice but to clone it and play catch up. They've done a good job of that, but AMD had seriously eaten in to their server business for a while. No, you don't want to do that; the setupx64.cmd batch file is the 64-bit version of the 32-bit dqsd-.exe installer. They don't complement each other, it's either-or. You're right, I realized that my systems all have weird legacy stuff hanging around from my early testing days of this. The key to Bill's problems were the requirement for full administrative privileges, I'm sure. (I _thought_ that was called out in the readme, but maybe not. Have to look.) And the requirement that the setupx64.cmd file run from the same drive letter as your system drive. (or, more accurately, as your %programfiles% drive.) Sorry to hear about Windows 7. We could look into what's breaking, I wouldn't give up so soon... :) Well, it's going to RC soonish, from the sounds of it. I had it on build 7000 (the widely available public beta build) on a machine that was an update from Vista where it was working. It loaded fine (but the colours are all different again, so we need to deal with that), but as soon as you clicked on it, Explorer crashed. Couldn't even unload it - the attempt would crash it and it would reload with explorer. As I mentioned, the colours are all different in Win7, so we need to either recreate the work we did for Vista (not hard, but might be a bit of a nuisance because the bar is a lot taller by default), or come up with a way to better handle this on the fly, picking up our colours from the environment. This is especially the case in Win7 since the task bar changes colour and transparency along with the window theme. (Oh, and the bar also does the Aero thing just like window boarders do if you have an aero theme selected.) But Win7 is the death knell of the task bar as we knew it. It's changed. A lot. I still think that the way forward is a Vista gadget. This is MS's official way to add this kind of utility to Windows and they're less likely to break it than the taskbar. Also, the server version of Win7 is 64-bit only, and this may well be the last and final 32-bit client version. So we need to move to 64-bit as the core if we're going to run as an Explorer DLL. (Gadgets free us from that requirement, by the way. ) - Kim Charlie. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
