Robert wrote:
One thing analog systems really need to do, which in this day and age
there is no excuse not to, is use CTCSS or DCS on the receiver.
This type of thing is the reason that Analog FM coordinations in our
area REQUIRE that the system have a working CTCSS decoder.
It doesn't have
a cheap $3 MOV, too.
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Manos Darkadakis wrote:
Hello Mark and thanks for the info.
I know of such links, as a matter of fact we are going to use one in
5 GHz to have internet available at the D-Star site on top of a 3500
ft mountain here in Athens. The other end will be at our headquarters
where the computer
Hi folks,
Did some interesting testing here tonight... we were playing around with
using D-RATS *through* the Icom repeaters. (As opposed to the new
D-RATS IP Repeater.)
It was very hit-and-miss. IC-91AD to IC-92AD was almost flawless once
we messed around with timers between W0CBI and
k7ve wrote:
This is kind of a moving target. From your radio, you currently do not.
The linking is not like analog, IRLP or Echolink. A transmitting
station can address their transmission to a remote repeater or to a
specific station through the gateway, stations on the other end have to
I'll answer what I think I can Ken, and chop the rest... others can
reply to your original message.
ken cleaver wrote:
Does it seem like there is significant growth in dstar? Are there other
manufacturers adopting?
[ED - http://www.dstarusers.org/dsm_growth.html
Dan Smith wrote:
Did some interesting testing here tonight... we were playing around
with using D-RATS *through* the Icom repeaters. (As opposed to the
new D-RATS IP Repeater.)
FYI, I don't have a repeater locally, so I can't test it this way yet.
A that would explain it. Where
Dan Smith wrote:
Actually, neither the windows control or the one in D-RATS lets you
toggle it either way. I override the Windows setting when I open the
serial port. I also always imply flow control in recent versions. It
gives me a blocking read/write function that works on all platforms
Adrian wrote:
See my post on Linux_Dstar Nate?
cheers
Adrian
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Wow, that needed a trim really bad.
Adrian, I saw where you asked me if I had tried D-RATS on Linux yet. Is
that what you mean?
No, I haven't tried it yet, but I will
these low-speed data file-
transfer tests sounds like I invested in a sonar company. Ping-ping,
Ping-ping, Ping-ping... Heh.)
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about a 17dB slide where analog sounds worse and worse, and
digital is just fine.
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Manos Darkadakis wrote:
Hello Nate, aftertwo e-mails nothing is coming from tx/rx!!!
Is it perhaps because I am far? just a guess
73 Manos SV1IW
Wow, no idea. I'd give them a phone call, although I know that's
probably not cheap to do from there.
There's always the possibility that their
Gary Pearce KN4AQ wrote:
D-STAR Forums at Dayton 2008
DVD Now Ready
Wow, you're quick Gary.
I was thinking about ordering the D-STAR User Seminar DVD for doing a
presentation (or ten) here locally at some meetings.
It says it covers the Dongle, but does it cover Reflectors? I'm
guessing
Gary Pearce KN4AQ wrote:
Thanks for the head's up, Nate. It's fixed. I had notification going to my
@arrl.net address, and when I put the new DVDs in the soup, I used my
@arvideonews.com address for that product only. PayPal didn't like the
confusion.
I figured it was something like that!
Randy wrote:
The complaints have been that the same one
or two people are constantly rag chewing at literally all hours of
the day and night and go on forever. I know these are open to the
ham community and anyone has a perfect right to use them. I
personally have had no problem with it;
of the site... and had an ID-1... GRIN)
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wd8knl wrote:
Any user can drop an active link.
The call sign does not have to be an 'administrator' as far as dplus
is concerned.
Try it.
Eric
WD8KNL
It shouldn't work unless your admin has changed this section of the
dplus.conf file to read like this:
[adminusers]
# admin
WR9A wrote:
I wouldn't doubt that at least *some* of those complaining about the high
use of the system connected to the reflector would prefer to have a nice,
quiet radio to listen to until someone called them.
With D-STAR, we have that capability built into the system already; it's
-Dongle on REF005A and heard both
here locally, no problem.
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area is
impossible.
So... RPT1 is fairly useless except in fringe/overlap areas on co-
channeled D-STAR repeaters, and even then won't help much. A user in
the overlap coverage area will cause problems.
Just the strange things one thinks about while running errands on a
Sunday...
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Nate
it a
few decades. (GRIN)
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Simon Templar wrote:
Are there any audio streams to listen to D-Star repeaters? This would be a
good way to attract Amateurs that do not yet have D-Star radios.
--
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may
belong to.
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
out of the
duplexer) 100%, including data/callsigns, perfectly.
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Woodrick, Ed wrote:
Version 1.4.3.2 of the D-STAR
Calculatorhttp://www.dstarinfo.com/Calculator/
http://www.dstarinfo.com/Calculator/ has been published.
By only comment would be that there are currently 192 Gateways showing
up in the Gateway Info page of the Gateways, and far less than
garyp609 wrote:
I did more testing today and switched out the power supply for the
repeater to an Astron SS-25M. I also cleaned the N-Connector pins and
checked for loose cables. The receive is better today but consistently
after the repeater sits for 5 - 8 minutes dormant and is keyed up the
Ron Wright wrote:
ICOM locked their products to work together.
The ICOM D-Star controller does not put out typical controller logic and
audio. It talks to its repeaters with a CAT5 cable in a digital control
format...serial data. This data is broken down in the repeaters radios
and used
Ron Wright wrote:
My concern is the attack/recovery times with digital. With a mobile
swishing in/out in analog the recovery is very quick, instantly, but
with digital it has to do its verification thing and takes time.
This is what larger buffers and fast DSP processing is for in the
These types of scramble codes are common in telecom for doing things
like ones density.
I wouldn't even call them scrambled, that seems to be a term that
picked up somewhere in D-STAR.
Telecom engineers would simply call this line coding of different sorts.
Study all of these, and you'll
at hand.
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Charles Scott wrote:
Not exactly the kind of comments I'd expect from you. I didn't notice
which band it was for this unit, but from 440 up the little mobile
duplexers can be pretty small and work well for low-power applications.
Also, why are you worried about shielding? I believe the radios
Bob McCormick W1QA wrote:
In what I've drawn up so far - one of the weakest points
in our whole configuration is the D-STAR repeater controller
itself! Its easy to configure redundancy in that last mile
network connection ... and setup a reliable gateway including
maybe even a backup system.
to be misbehaving.
The owner may or my not have time to debug, but a replacement with
another known-good supply was in order.
Sorry if we missed FD fun on D-STAR from Colorado...
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Ernest Kapphahn wrote:
Proposing any plan that requires existing systems to move, is not
going to meet with a good reception.
(rim-shot.)
Pun intended? Good reception? I like that one Ernie.
Nate WY0X
g7akm wrote:
Does any one know what has happened to this web site.
http://www.dstarusers.org/lastheardG2.php?
http://www.dstarusers.org/lastheardG2.php? DAVE.
[ED Dstarusers.org had a major system failure over the weekend. See if
the information you need is available just by going to
Manos Darkadakis wrote:
Hello all
I have finally received and installed G2 software. A few things I miss
like, what is the trust server ip, how can I register our SZ1SV gateway
there?
Then we hope that we will be able to join the rest of the world from
here at SZ1SV.
Thanks in advance
here locally, perhaps you and Dave and other
folks talking on this thread will have come to some consensus on how
best to get a complete newcomer who's blind, started operating on D-
STAR.
(Sounds like a great article for publication somewhere, doesn't it?)
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-key.)
Don't worry, even all us sighted folks get -- beyond that -- is a very
twitchy RF S-meter on an ultra-hot receiver prone to inter-mod and IF
mixes, and that information doesn't really mean a whole lot in a
digital system. :-)
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. Not to
mention a whole laundry list of other problems. The big pine tree --
who's needles are excellent attenuators at 1.2 GHz) being in the way,
isn't helping either.)
You gotta love microwave bands... eh?
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Ron Wright wrote:
However, one would think this reset would not be on page 118 of the
manual, but a seperate card to get ones attention if this should be done
from the start.
Heck, what is this, Windows? Reboot early, reboot often? LOL.
Never done a reset, don't plan on doing a reset,
Dan Smith wrote:
I have loaded the SW ok, but can't get it to talk to my 2820 or 91AD,
For the 91, make sure the radio is on band B, in vfo mode, and the mode
is set to DV instead of FM or something.
Dan, since the 91 has the ability to be remote controlled to some
extent (but not
John D. Hays wrote:
There is a PERL based 91AD programmer at http://dstarutah.org
http://dstarutah.org in the
files section. It may help you figure out some additional parameters.
The comments in the Perl are great, by the way... full descriptions of
the binary/hex that's going in/out.
Greg,
If you typed anything in reply, it didn't show up... just blank.
On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Greg Forrest wrote:
-Original Message-
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nate Duehr
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 16:05
To: dstar_digital
Fran Miele wrote:
Rethinking my previous comment about link/unlink, maybe we have ours setup
to disallow the average user. We don't want everyone linking and unlinking.
We went the opposite route. Unless someone gets abusive of it,
everyone's allowed.
We couldn't think up a scenario where
Fran Miele wrote:
This is NOT good!! If we can't reply and they forget to FLUSH as you call
it, we can't stop of their conversation on our system. Maybe the
communication between them and us should not be allowed until the issues are
resolved so we can get back to them easily. This was a big
Ferrell Brown wrote:
Excellent point Alan. We have not had any problems yet but it is
possible. Not sure if the dstar equip is heavy duty enough to handle
constant use.
Sound bite from Nate:
If the Icom modules can't handle 100% duty-cycle at full rated power,
they're not repeaters.
With
Peter Loveall wrote:
Is there a way, using a parameter, to tell jfindu to show only those
heard
in the last X days? As an example, show only those heard in the last
3 days.
No. It pulls all records of last heard on the repeater or repeater
group. When a station goes to a different
Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
A reminder and a request folks; some of you are going to see this more than
once and for that I apologize.
Recently a couple of you folks have tried to call me but you haven't told me
where you are routing from so
I cant respond.
You can hit your one-touch
Bob McCormick W1QA wrote:
What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital)
transmissions at the same time.
Two ID-800H's stacked will. And it'll only cost you $100 more than the
2820.
:-)
(I'm kinda joking, kinda serious.)
You also of course lose the GPS capabilities and the
Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:
I was not aware of that change - last note I saw on the admin page when
queried was the reason for the patch not being disclosed - maybe again I
didn't turn the page.
Thanks, Steve
I think it was either in the README or somewhere else in the update
notes
john_ke5c wrote:
The dsgwd software changes
• If a terminal moved into another repeater area of the same zone,
the software overwrites the headers in incoming packets to redirect the
data to the correct area repeater even though the updated user data are
not yet shared in the entire
john_ke5c wrote:
However, if you originate a call to some who is not really homed to
the gateway your local sync_mng says, you will not be correctly
routed until your local sync_mng is updated by the trust server. So
I guess okay if you move, but not okay if whom you call moves.
Right?
Completely normal. 10 Mb/s Half-Duplex devices like the Controller
don't know HOW to autonegotiate. (Why they made the controller half-
duplex, is beyond me. Another in a long list of basic IP/network
engineering mistakes from Icom.)
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/Screenshot-memedit.png
Yes Dan, like yours... if you can write that, the professionals at
RT Systems certainly should be able to write one.
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callsign routing will make it so the Dongle
users will be heard out both Gateways, unfortunately... only DPlus can
offer options for that, either by system-to-system linking or a
Reflector.
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club logo.
I'm still waiting for someone to ask me when I have my Colorado D-STAR
shirt on why I'm a Dallas Hockey fan...
http://shop.nhl.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2652910
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Eric Gildersleeve wrote:
Has anyone sucessfuly managed to do a file transfer with D-RATS?
Yes. Simplex.
What
version were you using?
A much older one.
Also, were you operating through a repeater?
When we had some folks doing some testing we ran into timing problems.
In talking to
João Gonçalves Costa wrote:
The Ham Radio community and the Portuguese colleagues in particular
are cheerful in recognition for a brand new D-Star repeater CQ0DAH
B, in Terceira Island / Azores permanently installed.
Congratulations!
Shift: -7,6 MHz.
Was the odd shift done to be able to
Bob Witte K0NR wrote:
I am looking at a problem with a D-STAR repeater, wanting to test the
receiver sensitivity and overall system sensitivity. It seems that my
FM test equipment doesn't quite do the job :-( That is, I could really
use a sig gen that puts out a d-star signal. I am looking
need to go to a
different port on that remote repeater in a hurry.
Hope that tip helps someone...
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for any kind of Reflector activity... there *could* still
be some out there who don't have it, and/or don't want it.
(But since dplus is also required for Dongle users, I hope not.)
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Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters, Inc. wrote:
Some people like to say that the VoIP should not be relied upon because the
internet could go down. What has been the real experience during storms
for internet failure?
Kent W7AOR
It stays up in pockets. Those pockets are caused by differences
Christopher Burke wrote:
Interesting story: After Ike my friend Joe N9IFG was listening to a net on
IRLP from his node. He has to key up every 15 minutes to keep the
connection active, so he gave out an N9IFG checking in from Chicago,
Illinois.
Off-topic:
He can easily fix that IRLP
echo. Echo from the
repeater callsign and E in the eighth character field does work for
bouncing both voice and low-speed data back at yourself for test
purposes, but only if the above criteria are met.)
Just a small overly-detailed correction for Steve's comment...
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transmit, until I remembered I had programmed GPS
ON via the programming software and the OTHER cable.
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to transmit data in Auto transmit mode.)
Nate WY0X
On Sep 29, 2008, at 1:11 AM, Nate Duehr wrote:
On Sep 28, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Rick wrote:
Hi All
I got it. Here is what I did. Since I am using a Mac I have a
program called Parallels. I
rebooted the Mac and restarted Windows. Before I started
information on the group: http://www.coloradodstar.org
(We know the website needs updating... hang on! We're too busy playing
with D-STAR! GRIN...)
73,
Nate Duehr, WY0X
W0CDS Gateway Admin General D-STAR Geek -- Having Fun w/ D-STAR!
Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
what is the edit field I mentioned it seems to allow entries from 0 to 99
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
UK call sign M0WGA
That sounds like you're in DV mode, not analog. That's the two-digit
group or code squelch.
(The menu options change when you're in analog vs. DV
Woodrick, Ed wrote:
By putting a radio on frequency and changing the mode to DV, you should
always hear everything correctly, no additional programming required.
... As long as you don't have digital squelch type CSQ or DSQ turned on.
Nate WY0X
Jim wrote:
Got new ID 800 I think I m getting into repeates When I I try to bring
up a repeater I get on the screen UR* and every 1 sounds Like R2D2
what am I doing wrong
As someone else mentioned, continuous R2D2 is usually a sign you're
not really within the coverage pattern of the
John wrote:
Ok, I have the 92AD and the D800H setup as follows:
UR: CQCQCQ
RPT1: KD0CGR C
RPT2: KD0CGR G
When I TX on the 92AD the readback data appears to be fine but on the
D800H I get the
RPT*
Completely normal. The ID-800H doesn't display the repeater callsign,
but it does
Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
you say the could find it by watching the radio what do they see?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
UK call sign M0WGA
You know... I want to double check that.
But I'm pretty sure you can go into the RX menu on the IC-91AD and see
what code is being sent in real-time.
On other
nj902 wrote:
One suggestion regarding the voice messages used for these tests - for
consistent results it would be optimum for everyone to use the ones
that DVSI has developed for testing and verifying the operation of the
IMBE and AMBE VOCODERs. The words and phrases are apparently optimized
Jim wrote:
Thank You I tried entering that and I am now getting into the
repeater display says RPT* but now tring to talk to frien on another
repater haveing problems there I can hear him but not getting back to
him
Is the other repeater dplus linked, or is he callsign routing to you?
How
gm0ops wrote:
GB7MI (5 October 2008)
With all the software and hardware test now complete GB7MI will run
echolink on digital from Sunday 12 October 2008.
Other echolink repeaters, nodes and computer users will be able to
connect to GB7MI and hold a qso with digital/dstar, RF users, without
Steve Bosshard wrote:
This works:
http://cobalt.n5zpr.com/dstar2.html http://cobalt.n5zpr.com/dstar2.html
73, Steve
Well... hmm.
Talking with the user trying it, he was set up as per the with Gateway
document at the above link. (Using W0CDS as the base callsign, of course.)
We logged
Jim wrote:
he told me what repeater he was on is that what u meen
Well, in D-STAR it's more helpful if you announce not only what repeater
you're coming from but also make sure your friend you're calling knows
HOW you're calling... Callsign routing (one transmission at a time) or
Dplus
j wrote:
Our repeater is having an issue where we can hear folks when they tie
into our repeater (from a different repeater), but we respond and they
don't hear us.
Do I need to program that linked repeater in my radio in order to have
two way comms or do we have a programming issue?
Steve wrote:
I agree it's one of the more innovative things to come to ham radio in
a while. But really overall I am disappointed because there really
isn't much to it beyond pressing the PTT to enable hams to further the
innovation. It's a digital appliance.
The innovation is in software,
Christopher Burke wrote:
I've heard the radios used to be more expensive. D-STAR isn't that bad
argument a lot (many times from Mark Thompson - you out there, Mark? :-).
But who cares? The fact is right now dual band transceivers are around
$300. An ID-800H is $510 right now at Gigaparts.
Peter Loveall wrote:
No, you do not have to be registered, but you do have to have the
gateway in RPT2. (repeater in RPT1, gateway in RPT2, CQCQCQ in
URCALL). Try that.
A side-note to Pete's message...
If you have a local Gateway, there are SO many things that rely on the
Gateway these days
eBay removed the item or the seller did, it's not there now.
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On Oct 28, 2008, at 15:39, davidnesbittjr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello everyone,
I will be taking my test November 1st for a Tech license I ran across
this radio on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws
Steve Bosshard wrote:
It is sad that complexity excludes many would be users.
Especially since it's not that complex. I don't know if this says
something about hams or just the population in general. :-)
Jeff, KE9V had a nice podcast he'd done called If we don't understand
it, we can just
Nate Duehr wrote:
Jeff, KE9V had a nice podcast he'd done called If we don't understand
it, we can just ignore it that seemed to cover the reasons why the
general public has lost interest in anything technological that requires
more than two seconds of actual thought...
Follow-up to my own
Ferrell Brown wrote:
Well lets see. I guess everybody assumes that I am a dumbass and don't
understand Dstar because of my original post. Anybody that knows me will
tell you that I am very well versed in Dstar and the concept it
includes. I have 2 2820's 1 91AD and 1 ID-1. I also got a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Check the squelch control. If you see BUSY the auto send will not work.
Turn the squelch clockwise until it goes not show BUSY and you will find
that it works fine..
Tom Koch - W4UOC
Agreed with Tom, this busy indication and the port speed setting are
the most
john_ke5c wrote:
Mark, KJ4VO at the HRO Atlanta store and I have been researching
this. No
one has the proprietary connector, period. I have not been able to
locate
the custom waterproof connector vendor that Icom uses either.
A proprietary implementation of an open protocol
I guess they didn't fit the dimensions on the IC-91AD then, whatever
that means.
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On Nov 28, 2008, at 17:23, Jon M. Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What did you expect ICOM to do with a connector that carries power,
audio, GPS data, push-to-talk line
if you need more help... plenty of folks here who know how this
all works.
73, maybe talk to you on W0CDS sometime...
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Nate Duehr, WY0X
W0CDS Gateway Admin
(The guys on the other end - Colorado! GRIN...)
Barry A. Wilson wrote:
OK Nate,
You almost confused me in your below example. so just so others
understand.
The YOUR: Your call sign in your example should actually be represented
by MY: My Call
Maybe. My IC-91 calls it that though.
They're in the exact order they are put into the
The short answer is: Bit errors affect voice just like they affect
data. There's no such thing as a voice only or a data only stream.
Every stream is complete with voice and data components.
Silence is still a voice stream that must be properly decoded, and if
it got damaged on the way to
John D. Hays wrote:
The protocol differentiates the DV datastream (AMBE encoded voice, including
1200 bps messaging) from the DD datastream (Ethernet packets encapsulated in
D-STAR headers) by flipping a single flag bit. No DV radios allow this
flip at the current time, though I think it
Vicky Bagwalla wrote:
I want to make full use of D-Star capabilities for my icoms but am at a dead
end. Cant find a single resource for a repeater in Toronto, Ontario (besides
VE3YYZ) and no resources that explains how best I can use it. I have been
trying to do APRS with the 2820 with no
shaneblaser wrote:
It seems all of the repeaters near me only register for club members,
but allow public access to the repeaters?
Just checking, did you ask them or are you going by web pages, etc.
Most understand the plight of the Dongle user, and will happily
register you.
But then
Lot Marquez wrote:
A few questions, we are used to analog and we noticed, there is no
Pl Tone for the Dstar Repeater, are all Dstar repeater, an open
repeater? We had problems with jammers in our analog repeater, is
there a way to lessen this in Dstar? Is there a software that we can
use to
Barry A. Wilson wrote:
While on DSTAR you have two options which you can implement. one is DSQL
- Digital Call Sign Squelch and the other is CSQL - Digital Code Squelch
TSQL - Tone Squelch (CTCSS) and DTCS - Digital Tone Squelch are available
on analog modes as before on the D-STAR capable
If the original Gateway operator wasn't thinking straight and didn't delete
everyone when he decommissioned the server, getting re-registered could be
very interesting.
Why did they do that?
Nate WY0X
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
Though other e-mail chains, Trust Server team is looking into how to help
the users stranded on the down Gateway.
Nate
From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Evans Mitchell KD4EFM / AFA4TH FL / WQFK-894
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:24
D-STAR (the protocol) defines a continuous voice and data stream during ALL
transmissions for DV mode. (We'll focus on DV, but DD is high speed
wide-area IP/Internet and works far better than non-native IP protocols for
interfacing with just about *everything* today.)
How you decide to USE
So. I was hoping their next mobile rig would be a dual-bander with
dual-receive and two D-STAR boards in it and smart enough (like the
Kenwood APRS rigs) to tie D-PRS beacons to band A, or band B, as desired
and route the rear data port to either band as desired. Looks like they
went the other
All you have to do is watch the FCC site to see when they apply for
FCC approval... lots of new rigs show up there first...
Nate WY0X
On Jan 28, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Gordon Dick wrote:
Hi John:
I had a Japanese translator do a little translation for me. Doesn't
appear to anything to earth
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