I was told by a persaon that E-Gold monitors all accounts and if they see
too much E-Gold spent into a certain account in a day or series of days
they will suspend the account and denie access from the owner of that
account, and keep all the E-Gold that was spent into the account.
Dose this
Yes, e-gold is BIG business and as such it is utterly
INEXCUSABLE that they do not have 24/7 live tech support
and are not working their a**es off making our e-gold
accounts opaque to hackers. I know of one person
who had I5K removed from his account, and just
this week two people I know
Hi,
I suppose that this question has been seen many times, sorry.
Where could I use Paypal to buy egold ?
In 4-dimensional space, you can use PayPal just about anywhere to buy
e-gold, around July, 2000. Now, I'm not sure that you can. g
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"9.1.2. Erroneous Exchange Rate
GSR reserves the right to cancel an OmniPay order if the exchange rate for
the transaction was clearly erroneous. This repudiation shall apply even if
GSR has already fulfilled the order before recognizing the error."
HEY! You guys should follow the same rules
272 divided by 262= 1.038 which means that the price
of gold has dropped 4%.
GSR/OMNIPAY/e-gold is playing head I win tails you
loose, no matter what they claim.
It seems that you may be assuming that if they were to sell 10 bars of gold
that they purchased back in early December, that they
bail-out 10 bars of gold to cover
their OutExchange price. Otherwise they would lower their OutExchange price.
Craig
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Why do smart people, even those in e-gold, succumb to fraudulent
activities
that are impossible to sustain? If I post a absurd comment like, "I can
guarantee you 300% return on your money in 3 months!" No one will
question
the value of the information. But if someone said, "I am putting
This company is underfunded and scared of large transactions. Pure and
simple.
Wow, to draw this conclusion is to disbelieve that they back their currency
100% with gold, allocated in storage and held in escrow, because there is NO
WAY they can be underfunded if they are backing their currency
Here is a curtesy copy of the information I could
find.
I hate to sound like the whining wife, but this
illustrates my point exactly.
They claim things that they are not. They are in
control of the entire e-gold universe
GSR/OmniPay/e-gold/Digigold.
I could live with that but how can I
there is NO WAY they can be underfunded if they are backing their
currency
with gold. They sell the gold, take the money and fill the OutExchange
order. This is how E-Gold is set-up.
At least you finally admit that you recognize that egold and Omnipay are
the
same company. According to your
Hello!
I believe I'm beginning to understand why you're feeling uncomfortable.
If it is widely known that
e-gold,/GSR/omnipay/digigold is the same group of
guys
hiding behind four different corporate shells, why are
you so comfortable when they back out of a transaction
here and then
Actually better make it more than $4200. It will cost that much to fill an
account with 400 ounces of e-gold, and then redeem it for a 400 oz. gold
bar.
400*262.50*4%=4200
No, it will cost over $100,000.
400 * 262.50 = $105,000
Why did you add 4%?
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Your Tracking Numbers are GREAT idea. However, they're impossible to type
in. Wouldn't it be easier just to type in the batch number and the e-gold
account number?
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Hello!
Consider the idea to increase the e-gold Exchange Rate to 2 percentage
points ABOVE SPOT. These effects should be derived:
1) The price to purchase e-gold would fall about 2 percentage points with
respect to the SPEND rate. This would effectively make e-gold CHEAPER for
CONSUMERS who
Make it so that FAKE HUMANS (actually computer players!) sit there
wanting a game! hahahah! it would mean that when someone comes
looking for a game, there is always an opponent, so you collect more
board fees!!! haha!
Just add a little lame bot technology so it makes some comments
why can I go to any ATM, insert my credit card and get my "available
balance" as cash? Just before new year I felt the need to travel to nz
for a few days and used my credit card to withdraw A$1 000 when my
available balance was only around A$900! I can get the hardest form of
money with
Quite ridiculously, it is NOT possible to go online and move money
from your bank account, at a given bank, to a friend's bank account
(I mean at the same bank).
CompuBank. (and about 1/2 dozen others)
If that was possible, the problem would be solved --- some exchange
provider would just
TO be clear, you could now do, exactly what you did (that same
process), at CompuBank, Craig?
Thus, if your MM had an account at CompuBank, and I had an act at
CompuBank, I could transfer you money, in real time, you could check
that I honestly did that in real time, and IT WOULD BE
Playing with Chandra, we couldn't figure out how to change colors.
Otherwise, this is going to be sooo coool!
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I just noticed something! With GoldMoney, all payments are in GoldGrams.
They won't calculate an exchange rate for you; you can enter your own in the
currency calculator, and thereby calculate the amount of gold to send, but
you can't send $100 of GoldMoney to anyone.
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How long before we can exchange Standard Gold to E-Gold (and vise-versa),
using a programming interface?
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So for example, we all love what has been happening in Eireland, and
your point is that the EURO indeed HELPS Eireland
What's happening in Ireland?
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Has anyone else had problems with CCC-Casino?
In early June, 2000, they started accepting e-gold as a method of payment,
so I signed up and sent them $100 in e-gold. After a few days of playing, I
worked it up to about $130 in e-gold. Then they started a contest and
offered $100 to the e-gold
Following these thoughts, of mine, is an exact copy of an email that I
just received from the operators of Costa Gold. Costa has kept its
members informed about the ongoing problems with e-gold and I felt that,
perhaps, a few of you WORLD LEADERS, who may be considering entrusting
e-gold
Oh heck yes, let's DO add some twinkly little ads on ALL the egold pages!
! maybe some "rotators" and some "sliding banners" (those are always
good for a little slow down) .
As I understand the delays associated with the e-gold servers, it isn't the
web-servers which slow down the system,
In an article in today's Atlanta Journal Constitution they report
that PayPal will be charging an average 2% of payments received
for business accounts.
[...]
Details at...
http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/sunday/personal_t
ech_a358787c12fe218d00fe.html
Curious:
Establishing property rights in a fishery goes like this:
You go and get some fish.
When you have them on board and off the decks (so you can't easily
loose them), they are now your property. No government required here.
The government auctioning the right to fish presupposes that the
I consider Douglas Jackson to be a radical. And the others
that have been pushing hard to help it along for a number
of years.
Yeah, you don't know what that radical is going to do... :)
He's a genius!
I don't understand how the huge potential of e-gold and e-gold
backed money can be
E-god is U.S. based .. but it doesn't feel safe tucking the gold away on
IT'S shores, it sent it away to Nevis .. have you ever wondered "why" ?
There's no gold in Nevis. The gold is in a bullion bank in Toronto.
E-god is NOT a "foreign individual" (IBC, Ltd, etc) it is a U.S.
Corporation
Are you volunteering. You will need a 400 oz gold bar to be a combio for
goldmoney however
No you don't!
You just need some gold-grams.
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This site, that involves 'GAMING'; does it have a license from any
jurisdiction? If it had no license, does it have a fixed place of
business?
Also, this idea that Costa Gold is a GAME just started a couple of weeks ago
when Stock Generation won their case against the SEC, where the judge
The only possible problem with names like this is if people started
calling
themselves an E-gold Exchange, but had no intention of conducting business
in e-gold.
Anytime you use 'E-Gold' in your name, there's a possibility that someone
will come upon the website and think that it's run by
Click on this URL:
www.e-goId.com
Now click on this one:
www.e-gold.com
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Hey Sidd!
You're mistaken. The Escrow Agent must INDEPENDENTLY validate any
disposition of property from the E-Gold Bullion Reserve Special Purpose
Trust.
The user agreement is not explicit in requiring the escrow agent's
approval in "redemption" transactions, but is in the case of
Quote:
e-gold. They froze our account without court order, kept it frozen for
almost two months, and then unfroze it. We didn't receive any
clarification from them while the account was frozen. When they unfroze
it, they claimed that one of our clients had paid us with e-gold which he
had
Thanks for the reply, however I think you may have missed my point.
Thanks for the extracts from the escrow agreement, where did you get
that? As I said, the E-GOLD(tm) TERMS are not explicit about
redemption, no doubt they believed the escrow agreement would
suffice... it doesn't help much
I don't know if anyone's noticed, but the e-gold system is being SLAMMED
with new accounts, since last night. If this keeps up, this will be a record
week for new accounts.
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I believe you have two choices when you want 100K in e-gold: 1)
www.OmniPay.net 2) www.GoldfingerCoin.com
Craig
- Original Message -
From: "Randy Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:37 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] I need
I need to reply to this question, too; Standard Reserve has answered all of
my inquiries within 24 hours -- and I've had several.
Sincerely,
Craig Haynie
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Once again, I applaud your rationalizations! Too little effort appears
to be aimed at attracting the larger merchant organizations to accept
e-gold. As a fellow Market Maker, it appears that the bulk of e-gold use
is
still limited to the many investment games/ponzis/pyramid programs out
The believers must demonstrate their belief in use of this, and not just
toy
with it as a game. Before we get the GMs we need 200,000 believers who
will
use Standard Transactions and E-Gold as their financial center.
How soon before we have immediate liquidity between SR and e-gold?
Craig
I think #7 is great. "That Chest of Gold Just Got Easier to Use"
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[...]There needs to be a central exchange
which works like a stock exchange, where all market maker bids and asks
are
represented in the same place. [...]
Cool!
How soon before you start one?
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Hello!
Almost all of the world uses non backed fiat currency. The
world has never seen this before Brenton Woods in 1971. Fiat
currencies are fraud and theft.
I've heard statements like this quite a few times now, and it all sounds a
bit like hot air to me. It doesn't quite make sense.
It's impossible for a micro group of human beings to know just
how much currency a legal jurisdiction needs. 'The Road to Serfdom'
explains this quite well. Because a treasury and a central bank
are political institutions, they always err on the side of too much
in the favor of the
It is an interesting response but, are you sure it is a
response to a posting on this list? Also, what is your
reason for saying that Xodds is a "questionable" entity?
I agree: Xodds is a fun game! Hardly a questionable entity.
Regarding patents:
1) E-gold has been in operations since
I would like to recommend a website that has been extremely informative in
the past couple of years. It's run by Steve Kaplan, and it used to be
updated every day, until this past January. Now it's updated whenever he
feels like it. However, read the whole website because the information there
is
I think we may need to start up a collection for the Bradleys.
Perhaps organise legal representation.
Does anyone know his family phone number or can contact him or his family?
I don't know if he's been charged, or not, but if he's at home, we all
should call him. One of the things he
Can anyone recommend a site that gives accurate, timely, user friendly
display of exchange rates against each other?
Real Time!
www.forextrading.com
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He wants us to send our MONEY to him but he gives ABSOLUTELY NO
representation about how he will deal with our money. There are NO
terms and conditions, agreements or any other guarantees or other
legal requirements on the site.
The terms of use are here:
I found the OSGold site refreshingly simple, and easy to use. I guess it
appeals to me because I don't like my life cluttered up with legal mumbo
jumbo as I try to brush my teeth (or perform any other mundane tasks) ...
I don't NEED to know all of the details of WHY or HOW my car radio works
In regard to CashOverTime, I am also a member with them. I
assure you that they are operated by a different person, someone in
whom I have complete trust. I have received many of my back payments
into my OSGold account, and if you have not, you want to verify that
you have entered your
Hello Khurram!
As usual, I disagree!
Seriously... What flaws does e-gold have?
1. Someone can very easily write a script that continuosly tries to
access an account with a bad passphrase and therefore locking any account
perpetually.
This is a feature. Good security, to keep hackers from
2. There is no way to show a third party that you've actually sent
gold
into another account. Maybe a public batchnumber system can work here.
Why would you want to do this? Get the party you've sent it to, to make a
statement.
Think of this from a Market Maker prespective. You have
Regarding problems with e-gold:
For one thing, their customer service SUCKS!
I agree, and I don't understand why. All they need do is hire people to
answer the phone, and resolve password problems, and other minor complaints.
For larger complaints, they should find an avenue to resolve them.
Aren't there a few MMs still taking credit cards from new customers - and
surviving? Like GoldPouchExpress (as mentioned previously).
They must have their own methods to avoid losing $25K in two months.
It's amazing what you can do when you call people on the phone. I believe
GoldPouch calls
I notice the agreement with JP Morgan / Chase (wow, talk about class), now
allows third-parties to bail gold into the system:
"Procedure-General: JPMorgan Chase Bank may receive Precious Metal from
Gold Silver Reserve, Inc., a Delaware, USA company ("GSR"). JPMorgan
Chase Bank also can
ISL pledges an ounce, too !
I'm giving 10 grams, but it will be about 2 weeks.
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However, there is a risk (political) associated with each storage
facility depending on where it is. In that sense, those grams are no
longer fungible. In theory, a gram in Dubai is not necessarily as
safe as a gram in London... or vice versa.
I've noticed that too. If we lose the gold in
It's amazing what you can do when you call people on the phone. I
believe
GoldPouch calls all of their customers, and requires all of their
customers
to be in North America.
ha! damn clever!!
Yes, they verify by call back but they are not restricted to just North
America.
They
"I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the
other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this
problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims
get their funds back. ... "
I worry about people hacking into my account
PRESS RELEASE
-- GoldMoney Launches Online Merchant Interface --
New interface makes it easy and profitable
for online merchants to use GoldGrams
(30 March 2001) - E-commerce is taking another step forward with
today's launch of an Online Merchant Interface (OMI) by
Communications to e-gold.com seem to stop at CW Melbourne, FL.
Is e-gold off the air or is Cable and Wireless off the air?
E-Gold has scheduled down-time tonight.
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Check out this website. It's a perfect replication of the e-gold website,
designed to trick people into losing their passwords. Everyone needs to be
SURE they are on the actual E-Gold website when performing any activity.
Registrant:
furlan,giacomo (EQOLD-DOM)
via delle betulle 42
bruino,
I tried a metal to metal exchange using Omnipay. They used a value of
$259.60 per oz of e-gold. However, at the time, the value of gold at
http://www.goldcentral.com/ was $260.30.
Does anyone know the reason for the difference? Is it a difference
between buying and selling? Is it a
VC writes: "I don't understand why it's a bad thing to allow a 100% backed
currency to be used as the basis for a fractional reserve banking system."
It's pretty simple, it causes inflation. [...]
Is it true, though, that GoldMoney will not ALLOW a third party to use
goldgrams as the basis
"The User agrees to keep his unallocated, undivided interest in the
pool of gold held in storage at a Vault free from any liens,
encumbrances, charges or claims"
In other words, GoldGrams cannot be leased or loaned nor can any
derivatives be created on them.
It seems like this would really
Since we don't know what happen with the proceeds from the
issuance of these e-gold bonds, the risk cannot be controlled.
That is how I understand fractional reserve banking.
I don't think your terminology is correct. I don't believe bonds can be
issued that way. However, that's not the
Check out the new stats page! Almost 10,000 e-gold accounts with over 10
grams of e-gold.
http://www.e-gold.com/stats.html
Craig
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Capitalism succeeds because it is based upon one of humanity's
greatest failings... Greed.
Greed - the desire to improve one's situation - is not a failing; it
is a virtue.
Wow, I agree!
There are those who set their image of man to be somewhat different than man
is. Then when man
I, too, want to stand up for GitGold.com. They have been hit by a plethora
of attacks recently, and while they may have made a bad judgement call in
this case, I would not discredit their organization for doing so. There is
numerous fraud on the internet these days and this makes it very
I'm forwarding a message from Parker Bradley of GoldAge, by request:
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Hola Everyone!
Just a quick hello info.
For current events and articles on this unfolding saga see:
http://www.gold-age.net/ldf/ldf.html
First, let me apologize for cross-postings
Who was it (other than me) that was contributing a reward towards
anyone who can find poor old Jim Cloos? (Hope he's OK)
How much is the reward? I might just drive over there. I've been trying to
call his home number lately, but it's consistently busy.
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e-gold now has 3.54% of their gold reserve in Zurich. Diversification is
good.
Can we bail gold INTO the system yet, provided we have the means?
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Can we bail gold INTO the system yet, provided we have the means?
Again I say... Has anybody seriously tried yet?
I doubt if anyone's tried, but what's E-Gold's policy? It looks like the JP
Morgan/Chase vault allows it.
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Velocity in 24h: 163,810 grams of gold.
# of spends in 24h: 5659
Thank would make the average spend somewhere very close to 29 grams.
[...]
Is there something wierd here or what? Seems like either one of a few
things.
[...]
The mean-average spend may be 29 grams, but the median-average is
So we would end up with something that looks like the following
microspends - 20
macrospends - 1
I think it's the opposite:
MacroSpends - 1
MicroSpends - 40
A 1000 gram MacroSpend, combined with 40 MicroSpends would average to about
25 grams each, which is what we see.
It is pretty
Why is everyone so afraid of OSGoldit seems to be
a valid way to exchange funds ... new as it is they
seem to not have missed a beat.. E-gold was new at one
time also. What is the deal...please explain in plain
english as I really want to understand here.
Several red flags:
1) No one
Hello Graham!
I'm currently processing approx. 7-15% of all my daily orders thru OSGOLD
per day, and I've never had a single problem (that couldn't be fixed!).
Indeed, I get calls from OSG staff, asking if there's anything I need
or want, to enable me to deliver gold quicker to the gold
Almost 800 items listed on eBay for e-gold. None from Yahoo, or Amazon.com.
http://www.golddirectory.com/auctions.htm
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Thanks Mark!
The link on my website www.GoldDirectory.com/auctions.htm USED to work with
the descriptions on Yahoo, (at least I'm pretty sure it did). I'll change
the query that I'm using so that matches in the description field will come
up again.
Numismatically there is not much auction err
Are there any market makers who accept the 7-11 / Amex Internet payment
cards in payment for e-gold? I read the FAQ on these cards, but it is not
clear to me from the FAQ whether these cards are hard money or soft money.
http://www.7-eleven.com/about/news/news_internetcardfaq.html
Wow,
My understanding is that there were some very specific laws past after
the Great Depression about either the amount and or what form of gold
can be held by US citizens. I have also be lead to believe that in
certain forms it can not be confiscated by the US Government.
It's not possible
December 31, 1974 the US government ended its ban on individual ownership
of
gold. In 1997 Congress passed the Taxpayers Relief Act, allowing US
Individual Retirement Account holders to buy gold bullion coins and bars
for
their accounts as long as they are of a fineness equal to, or
It seems to me that the 1974 legislation removed the ban on individual
ownership of gold, period. The 1997 legislation allows for gold coins and
bars of 99.5 per cent gold to be included in IRA's rendering them
non-taxable while held in those accounts.
I don't doubt what you're saying, but
to provide.
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So, as somebody fairly new to gold, what happened in 1981 to sink
gold? I thought that as the US dollar falls, gold rises and vice versa.
Speculative mania, spurred by abolition of the law disallowing people from
owning gold, in 1972, drove the price of gold to astonomical levels, which
had
We are not talikg about the end of e-gold if they start protecting
customers. Why can OSGOLD do it, and still have a massive growth at the
same time?
If OSGold does this, then they are doing it in violation of their terms of
service, where they indicate that they do NOT reverse spends.
I
If a customer were to sign and notarize a fraud affidavit,
and it were
indeed found to be true, then e-gold would have EVERY right
to return
the gold to its original owner.
The problem is that the gold won't be in the thief's account. It will be
moved to the account of another market
In passing, in the future, as far as being listed on any gold suppliers
site
is concerned, this will be come academic as the correct list to go to
will
be the eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
I wonder if that's the idea.
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A smart idea, but, you would never in a thousand trillion years be
able to insure a group of customers against incompetently having
their passwords stolen.
The premiums would be 100% of the risk.
PayPal has all of their accounts covered for up to $100,000 for breech of
security. The
I have made a new e-gold directory that fits a lot of links on one page.
Let me know what you think:
http://tril.tunes.org/e-gold/links.html
I listed it: http://www.golddirectory.com/other1.htm
SnowDog
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Everyone makes mistakes in business, that was a doozy.
Yeah, a whopping $9 mistake. :)
I suppose it could have been an oversight, but I am a bit baffled by their
actions:
1) Why are they raising fees? Everyone wants to make a profit, but the
account that I had was the free one, without the
Where does this comes from?
Of course Standard Reserve Gold can be redeemed for E-Gold.
Go and see any of our agents who will do this for you.
In the next couple of weeks this will also be a totally automated
feature!!
The point I was trying to make was a secondary point, (supporting another
. I have no way to go to an
agent since I cannot log into the account. Please understand that I believe
this to be a trivial matter. It was the policy that I was concerned about.
Sincerely,
Craig Haynie (SnowDog)
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I would like to thank Elwyn Jenkins for cashing out my account. Indeed, he
overpaid me by cashing the account out for $12, instead of the nine.
However, there is a caveat... communication is so difficult. Just when I
thought we were communicating, I get this in the email from Mr. Jenkins:
Hello!
Thank you very much for your offer, and Elwyn Jenkins has already paid-out
my account. In fact, I probably owe him an apology; I should not have
mentioned my predicament to the e-gold list so soon. There just seemed to be
a series of events that led me to believe they had adopted a bad
Hi George,
In response to James Ray's letter, Canadian Maple Leafs, are just bullion
coins, and as such have no intrinsic value other than the spot price of
gold. They are reportable and confiscatable by the Canadian Government.
[...]
Huh??? When did the Canadian government stop allowing its
What's a BB ?
Ball Buster?
Bullion Bank?
Red Ryder Ammo?
Beats Me!
Big Brother!
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As for OSgold's smell, it is a helluva lot sweeter than the foul
odor emanating out of e-gold.
Kaare Bursell
Can I ask you: What do you like about OSGold?
Craig
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