Re: [Eug-lug] clearwire down?

[Jackman]

Have you received the new modem? I work at a store that is a clear
distributor. If you want to call, feel free:

Gizmobyte
541-741-0104

If I can't help you, I can hook you up with someone who can.

Andrew Jackman (mobile)
541-513-6068

On Aug 19, 2010 9:36 AM, "larry price"  wrote:

Can you make DNS requests?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, JS Kaplan  wrote: >
clearwire seems to be hav...
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] clearwire down?

[larry price]

Can you make DNS requests?



On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM, JS Kaplan  wrote:
> clearwire seems to be having issues. Pings come and go fine but other
> requests time out.
>
> I'd ask them but the service line has a pre-recorded message stating "we are
> aware of difficulties in your are which
> may affect you".
>
> Anyone know or have suggestions (besides dumping the bastards)?
>
> Kaplan
>
> Melita! domi adsum.
> Honey! I'm home.
> Henry Beard, Latin for All Occasions.
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

I was reading up, in the WSJ, about Clearwire's CEO McKay's (sp) efforts to
corner the WiMax market; but to throw the dog a bone...what about Long Term
Evolution, supposed to leapfrog WiMax?

Brian


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Brian, if you haven't already, reading
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire might fill in some gaps for
> you...
> So they're WiMax (or "pre-WiMax"), here is some news I missed last
> month:
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/google-apps-coming-to-clearwire-customers-via-new-partnership/
> and this too:
> http://www.thestreet.com/s/sprint-clearwire-near-new-wimax-deal/newsanalysis/technology-stories/10403584.html?puc=_googlen?cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
>
> So there are lots of complaints out there about ClearWire, but it does
> work.  They piggy-back the installation of their WiMax antennae on
> existing cell towers, as I understand it, hence the reference to cell
> tower proximity/direction.  Not *every* cell tower has that though,
> but I think they've got good coverage in places where digital cellular
> signals are, in general :)
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:19 AM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Jim,
> >
> > Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5 cats, but I'm
> > trying to help them.
> >
> > I figure I'll have them setup up the laptop and look into the Wireless
> > Network Connections Window of XP to see if the available, and connected,
> > network has the encryption type, WPA, WEP, etc. mentioned.  If so, I'm
> > calling it a day.   If no, then I got a problem.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >To connecty the clearwire modem to the laptop you will need either
> > > an Ethernet which will connect from the modem to the laptop, or a
> cable
> > > going to a wifi router such a linksys wrt54g which will retransmit to
> > > the laptop. The wireless router is the device that supports WEP, WPA
> > > etc. Some of them may not support WPA. Also the router needs to
> support
> > > whatever protocol the laptop uses, such as 802.11 b/g.
> > > Jim K
> > >
> > >
> > > BB wrote:
> > > > Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle
> > > > they throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for,
> > > > doesn't know much; and neither do I for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities
> > > > of cell phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find
> that,
> > > > as mentioned, there is an encryption process for the wireless
> > > > connection to the laptop, i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter
> > card.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Clearwire is wireless.
> > > > Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat
> directional, if
> > > > one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line
> tells
> > one
> > > > which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the
> > > > signal comes in
> > > > > on the phone line?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place
> > > > to plug in
> > > > > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > > > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > > > > Jim K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm
> > > > working
> > > > > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I
> > > > don't know
> > > > > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security
> > > > issues where
> > > > > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice
> that
> > > > > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech
> talk
> > > > on the
> > > > > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have
> some
> > > > encryption
> > > > > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats
> > > > about it.  Put
> > > > > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of
> > personal
> > > > > > > security in the computing world.
> > > > > > >
> > > >

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

You Dawg You!

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Mr O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just grab it by the tail and give it a tug. If it makes noise
> its a cat.
>
>
> --- BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jim,
> >
> > Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5
> > cats, but I'm
> > trying to help them.
> >
>
>
>
>
>  
> 
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

spent a couple of hours with the person I'm trying to help.  We determined
that they have a Clearwire modem to phone box to WRT54G router and the
wireless encryption was not turned on, I was a bit fried by then.

Brian


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Brian, if you haven't already, reading
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire might fill in some gaps for
> you...
> So they're WiMax (or "pre-WiMax"), here is some news I missed last
> month:
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/google-apps-coming-to-clearwire-customers-via-new-partnership/
> and this too:
> http://www.thestreet.com/s/sprint-clearwire-near-new-wimax-deal/newsanalysis/technology-stories/10403584.html?puc=_googlen?cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
>
> So there are lots of complaints out there about ClearWire, but it does
> work.  They piggy-back the installation of their WiMax antennae on
> existing cell towers, as I understand it, hence the reference to cell
> tower proximity/direction.  Not *every* cell tower has that though,
> but I think they've got good coverage in places where digital cellular
> signals are, in general :)
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:19 AM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Jim,
> >
> > Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5 cats, but I'm
> > trying to help them.
> >
> > I figure I'll have them setup up the laptop and look into the Wireless
> > Network Connections Window of XP to see if the available, and connected,
> > network has the encryption type, WPA, WEP, etc. mentioned.  If so, I'm
> > calling it a day.   If no, then I got a problem.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >To connecty the clearwire modem to the laptop you will need either
> > > an Ethernet which will connect from the modem to the laptop, or a
> cable
> > > going to a wifi router such a linksys wrt54g which will retransmit to
> > > the laptop. The wireless router is the device that supports WEP, WPA
> > > etc. Some of them may not support WPA. Also the router needs to
> support
> > > whatever protocol the laptop uses, such as 802.11 b/g.
> > > Jim K
> > >
> > >
> > > BB wrote:
> > > > Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle
> > > > they throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for,
> > > > doesn't know much; and neither do I for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities
> > > > of cell phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find
> that,
> > > > as mentioned, there is an encryption process for the wireless
> > > > connection to the laptop, i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter
> > card.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Clearwire is wireless.
> > > > Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat
> directional, if
> > > > one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line
> tells
> > one
> > > > which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the
> > > > signal comes in
> > > > > on the phone line?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place
> > > > to plug in
> > > > > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > > > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > > > > Jim K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm
> > > > working
> > > > > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I
> > > > don't know
> > > > > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security
> > > > issues where
> > > > > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice
> that
> > > > > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech
> talk
> > > > on the
> > > > > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have
> some
> > > > encryption
> > > > > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats
> > > > about it.  Put
> > > > > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of
> > personal
> > > > > > > security in the computing world.
> > > > 

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Ben Barrett]

...and if the noise comes out elsewhere, it is wireless!

Albert Einstein, when asked to describe radio, replied:
"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull
his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you
understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send
signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that
there is no cat."

~ben


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Mr O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just grab it by the tail and give it a tug. If it makes noise
>  its a cat.
>
>
>
>  --- BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > Thanks Jim,
>  >
>  > Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5
>  > cats, but I'm
>  > trying to help them.
>  >
>
>
>
>
>   
> 
>  Looking for last minute shopping deals?
>  Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
>
>
> ___
>  EUGLUG mailing list
>  euglug@euglug.org
>  http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Mr O]

Just grab it by the tail and give it a tug. If it makes noise
its a cat. 


--- BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Jim,
> 
> Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5
> cats, but I'm
> trying to help them.
> 



  

Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Ben Barrett]

Brian, if you haven't already, reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire might fill in some gaps for
you...
So they're WiMax (or "pre-WiMax"), here is some news I missed last
month:  
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/google-apps-coming-to-clearwire-customers-via-new-partnership/
and this too:  
http://www.thestreet.com/s/sprint-clearwire-near-new-wimax-deal/newsanalysis/technology-stories/10403584.html?puc=_googlen?cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

So there are lots of complaints out there about ClearWire, but it does
work.  They piggy-back the installation of their WiMax antennae on
existing cell towers, as I understand it, hence the reference to cell
tower proximity/direction.  Not *every* cell tower has that though,
but I think they've got good coverage in places where digital cellular
signals are, in general :)

Ben


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 7:19 AM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Jim,
>
> Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5 cats, but I'm
> trying to help them.
>
> I figure I'll have them setup up the laptop and look into the Wireless
> Network Connections Window of XP to see if the available, and connected,
> network has the encryption type, WPA, WEP, etc. mentioned.  If so, I'm
> calling it a day.   If no, then I got a problem.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >To connecty the clearwire modem to the laptop you will need either
> > an Ethernet which will connect from the modem to the laptop, or a cable
> > going to a wifi router such a linksys wrt54g which will retransmit to
> > the laptop. The wireless router is the device that supports WEP, WPA
> > etc. Some of them may not support WPA. Also the router needs to support
> > whatever protocol the laptop uses, such as 802.11 b/g.
> > Jim K
> >
> >
> > BB wrote:
> > > Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle
> > > they throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for,
> > > doesn't know much; and neither do I for that matter.
> > >
> > > Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities
> > > of cell phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find that,
> > > as mentioned, there is an encryption process for the wireless
> > > connection to the laptop, i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter
> card.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Clearwire is wireless.
> > > Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat directional, if
> > > one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line tells
> one
> > > which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the
> > > signal comes in
> > > > on the phone line?
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place
> > > to plug in
> > > > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > > > Jim K
> > > > >
> > > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm
> > > working
> > > > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I
> > > don't know
> > > > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security
> > > issues where
> > > > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > > > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk
> > > on the
> > > > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some
> > > encryption
> > > > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats
> > > about it.  Put
> > > > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of
> personal
> > > > > > security in the computing world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm
> > > weak also.
> > > > > > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I
> > > have to
> > > > > > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now
> > > I'm going
> > > > > > to setup my own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > > > > > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to
> > > blow
> > > > > > things 

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

Thanks Jim,

Ya, the person I'm dealing with wouldn't know Cat 5 from 5 cats, but I'm
trying to help them.

I figure I'll have them setup up the laptop and look into the Wireless
Network Connections Window of XP to see if the available, and connected,
network has the encryption type, WPA, WEP, etc. mentioned.  If so, I'm
calling it a day.   If no, then I got a problem.

Brian


On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>To connecty the clearwire modem to the laptop you will need either
> an Ethernet which will connect from the modem to the laptop, or a cable
> going to a wifi router such a linksys wrt54g which will retransmit to
> the laptop. The wireless router is the device that supports WEP, WPA
> etc. Some of them may not support WPA. Also the router needs to support
> whatever protocol the laptop uses, such as 802.11 b/g.
> Jim K
>
> BB wrote:
> > Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle
> > they throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for,
> > doesn't know much; and neither do I for that matter.
> >
> > Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities
> > of cell phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find that,
> > as mentioned, there is an encryption process for the wireless
> > connection to the laptop, i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter
> card.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Clearwire is wireless.
> > Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat directional, if
> > one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line tells
> one
> > which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the
> > signal comes in
> > > on the phone line?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place
> > to plug in
> > > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > > Jim K
> > > >
> > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > > >
> > > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm
> > working
> > > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I
> > don't know
> > > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security
> > issues where
> > > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk
> > on the
> > > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > > >
> > > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some
> > encryption
> > > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats
> > about it.  Put
> > > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of
> personal
> > > > > security in the computing world.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm
> > weak also.
> > > > > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I
> > have to
> > > > > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now
> > I'm going
> > > > > to setup my own.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > > > > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to
> > blow
> > > > > things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz
> > and Linux
> > > > > systems spread around the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > >
> > > > >  > >> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a
> > linksys
> > > > > wrt54g
> > > > > wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire
> > modem uses a
> > > > > encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> > > > > Jim K
> > > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a
> > friend who's
> > > old
> > > > > > and doesn't know tech.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
> > 
> > > > >  <

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Jim K]

To connecty the clearwire modem to the laptop you will need either
an Ethernet which will connect from the modem to the laptop, or a cable
going to a wifi router such a linksys wrt54g which will retransmit to
the laptop. The wireless router is the device that supports WEP, WPA
etc. Some of them may not support WPA. Also the router needs to support
whatever protocol the laptop uses, such as 802.11 b/g.
Jim K

BB wrote:
> Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle
> they throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for,
> doesn't know much; and neither do I for that matter.
>
> Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities
> of cell phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find that,
> as mentioned, there is an encryption process for the wireless
> connection to the laptop, i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter card.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Clearwire is wireless.
> Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat directional, if
> one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line tells one
> which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the
> signal comes in
> > on the phone line?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place
> to plug in
> > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > Jim K
> > >
> > > BB wrote:
> > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > >
> > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm
> working
> > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I
> don't know
> > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security
> issues where
> > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk
> on the
> > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > >
> > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some
> encryption
> > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats
> about it.  Put
> > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal
> > > > security in the computing world.
> > > >
> > > > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm
> weak also.
> > > > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I
> have to
> > > > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now
> I'm going
> > > > to setup my own.
> > > >
> > > > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > > > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to
> blow
> > > > things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz
> and Linux
> > > > systems spread around the house.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > >
> > > >  >> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a
> linksys
> > > > wrt54g
> > > > wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire
> modem uses a
> > > > encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> > > > Jim K
> > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a
> friend who's
> > old
> > > > > and doesn't know tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
> 
> > > >  
> > >
> > > > > or such?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> > >
> > > > > 
>  > > > >
> > > > > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year
> it has
> > > > provided
> 

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

Good info, I kind of had that understanding, and with a phone bundle they
throw in phone access.  This individual, I'm inquiring for, doesn't know
much; and neither do I for that matter.

Much of the problem they are concerned with is do to the vaguarities of cell
phone reception, I would imagine.  I will probably find that, as mentioned,
there is an encryption process for the wireless connection to the laptop,
i.e. ClearWire modem to a wireless adapter card.

Brian


On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Edward Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Clearwire is wireless.
> Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat directional, if
> one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line tells one
> which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the signal comes
> in
> > on the phone line?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place to plug
> in
> > > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > > Jim K
> > >
> > > BB wrote:
> > > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > > >
> > > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm working
> > > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I don't
> know
> > > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security issues
> where
> > > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk on the
> > > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > > >
> > > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some
> encryption
> > > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats about it.
>  Put
> > > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal
> > > > security in the computing world.
> > > >
> > > > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm weak
> also.
> > > > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I have to
> > > > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now I'm going
> > > > to setup my own.
> > > >
> > > > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > > > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to blow
> > > > things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz and
> Linux
> > > > systems spread around the house.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys
> > > > wrt54g
> > > > wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem
> uses a
> > > > encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> > > > Jim K
> > > > BB wrote:
> > > > > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend
> who's
> > old
> > > > > and doesn't know tech.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
> > > >  
> > >
> > > > > or such?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > >
> > > > > >>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has
> > > > provided
> > > > > fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.
>  QOS as
> > > > > measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and
> > there
> > > > > is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.
>  It
> > > > > does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly
> reliably.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > > ___
> > > > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
> > > > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > EUGLUG mailing list
> 

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Edward Craig]

Clearwire is wireless.
Basically a Cleartwire modem is an antenna, somewhat directional, if
one has difficulty getting a signal the clearwire help line tells one
which direction to point toward the nearest cell-tower/

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, BB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the signal comes in
> on the phone line?
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place to plug in
> > the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> > I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> > Jim K
> >
> > BB wrote:
> > > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> > >
> > > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm working
> > > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I don't know
> > > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security issues where
> > > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk on the
> > > web about the innards of this equipment.
> > >
> > > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some encryption
> > > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats about it.  Put
> > > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal
> > > security in the computing world.
> > >
> > > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm weak also.
> > > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I have to
> > > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now I'm going
> > > to setup my own.
> > >
> > > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to blow
> > > things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz and Linux
> > > systems spread around the house.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys
> > > wrt54g
> > > wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem uses a
> > > encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> > > Jim K
> > > BB wrote:
> > > > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's
> old
> > > > and doesn't know tech.
> > > >
> > > > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> > > >
> > > > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
> > >  
> >
> > > > or such?
> > > >
> > > > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has
> > > provided
> > > > fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as
> > > > measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and
> there
> > > > is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It
> > > > does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly reliably.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > > ___
> > > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> 
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > ___
> > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > euglug@euglug.org
> > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > >
> >
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
>
>
> ___
>  EUGLUG mailing list
>  euglug@euglug.org
>  http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>



-- 
Edward P. Craig
"Think this through with me. Let me know your mind"  Hunter/Garcia
__

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

This is some sort of cell tower transmitter/receiver or the signal comes in
on the phone line?

Brian


On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place to plug in
> the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
> I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
> Jim K
> BB wrote:
> > thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
> >
> > The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm working
> > blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I don't know
> > them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security issues where
> > the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> > ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk on the
> > web about the innards of this equipment.
> >
> > My objective is to prove to this person that they have some encryption
> > on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats about it.  Put
> > their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal
> > security in the computing world.
> >
> > Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm weak also.
> > I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I have to
> > learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now I'm going
> > to setup my own.
> >
> > Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> > situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to blow
> > things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz and Linux
> > systems spread around the house.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys
> > wrt54g
> > wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem uses a
> > encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> > Jim K
> > BB wrote:
> > > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's
> old
> > > and doesn't know tech.
> > >
> > > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> > >
> > > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
> >  
> > > or such?
> > >
> > > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has
> > provided
> > > fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as
> > > measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and
> there
> > > is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It
> > > does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly reliably.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > > ___
> > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > >
> > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > >
> > > ___
> > > EUGLUG mailing list
> > > euglug@euglug.org 
> > > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> > >
> >
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org 
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Jim K]

The modem just has a single Ethernet port on it, and a place to plug in
the power supply. It is plug in and it works.
I am not sure how the voice bundle works.
Jim K
BB wrote:
> thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.
>
> The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm working
> blind in two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I don't know
> them well, and visa versa, so I'm talking about  security issues where
> the trust level is weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that
> ClearWire is somewhat obscure and there isn't much tech talk on the
> web about the innards of this equipment.
>
> My objective is to prove to this person that they have some encryption
> on their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats about it.  Put
> their mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal
> security in the computing world.
>
> Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm weak also. 
> I've been letting another do my Broadband access and now I have to
> learn myself.  I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now I'm going
> to setup my own.
>
> Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my
> situation.  I have enough hardware experience to know not to blow
> things up.  I also have my own dummy network setup of Windoz and Linux
> systems spread around the house.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys
> wrt54g
> wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem uses a
> encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> Jim K
> BB wrote:
> > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's old
> > and doesn't know tech.
> >
> > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> >
> > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1
>  
> > or such?
> >
> > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has
> provided
> > fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as
> > measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and there
> > is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It
> > does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly reliably.
> >
> > Peter
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org 
> >
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org 
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org 
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>
> 
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>   

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

thanks Jim, so the ClearWire modem is, just that, a modem.

The person I am working with is a chat friend, and so I'm working blind in
two ways. 1) I can't see their equipment AND 2) I don't know them well, and
visa versa, so I'm talking about  security issues where the trust level is
weak, as it should be.  Also, I notice that ClearWire is somewhat obscure
and there isn't much tech talk on the web about the innards of this
equipment.

My objective is to prove to this person that they have some encryption on
their wired/wireless mix of computing systems. Thats about it.  Put their
mind at ease, somewhat, given the sloppy state of personal security in the
computing world.

Further, I am more computer artist then technician, so I'm weak also.  I've
been letting another do my Broadband access and now I have to learn myself.
I pay for access to a WRT54GL w/ DD-WRT now I'm going to setup my own.

Not to bend your ear, but I felt it was important to know my situation.  I
have enough hardware experience to know not to blow things up.  I also have
my own dummy network setup of Windoz and Linux systems spread around the
house.

Brian


On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys wrt54g
> wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem uses a
> encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
> Jim K
> BB wrote:
> > thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's old
> > and doesn't know tech.
> >
> > Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
> >
> > Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1 
> > or such?
> >
> > Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has provided
> > fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as
> > measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and there
> > is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It
> > does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly reliably.
> >
> > Peter
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org 
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > ___
> > EUGLUG mailing list
> > euglug@euglug.org
> > http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> >
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Jim K]

I use clearwire but don't have the voice bundle. I use a linksys wrt54g
wireless router the linksys supports wpa. The clearwire modem uses a
encryption method but I am not sure of the method used.
Jim K
BB wrote:
> thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's old
> and doesn't know tech.
>
> Does the equipment have a WPA setting?
>
> Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1 
> or such?
>
> Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has provided
> fairly consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as
> measured by on-line servers is typically 10-20 percent and there
> is a fairly high jitter, indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It
> does stream Netflix at the basic level, and fairly reliably.
>
> Peter
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org 
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>
> 
>
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>   

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[BB]

thanks for getting back to me, I'm trying to help a friend who's old and
doesn't know tech.

Does the equipment have a WPA setting?

Can you access it via a browser, via 192.168.0.1 or such?

Any way to reset the equipment, reset button or such?

Brian

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a Clearwire connection.  Over the past year it has provided fairly
> consistent 600-800 Kbs down and 150-400 Kbs up.  QOS as measured by on-line
> servers is typically 10-20 percent and there is a fairly high jitter,
> indicating VOIP my be unreliable.  It does stream Netflix at the basic
> level, and fairly reliably.
>
> Peter
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
>
>
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[toman]

LinuxRocks! wrote:

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:19:03AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:19:03 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
To: euglug@euglug.org

oh for the aup for servers ill have to look it up in the end user 
licenes or call and ask they have a few different planes my plane for 
now is 768k down 128k up ive looked at  streaming video and saw no dif 
between comcast and clearwire after i fixed my little networking prob 
on my machine it was kinda out of wake for a day but its fixed now.



So... there is this...
http://www.clearwire.com/maps/eugene.htm it hasnt changed in the 6 mos 
or so ive been on clearwire, but they say they are always adding area...


  
I'm waiting for them to come to Cottage Grove. They claim they will, but 
I'm thinking that the same old rural
internet economics is rearing its ugly head. Eugene was originally a 
test market anyway, and now that they've
covered, what, 80% of the market (?) I doubt they'll put any serious 
effort into it.



  J. Toman



The have 3 plans, 1 for business, budget $30/mo, premium $38/mo
then there is an additional $5 for modem rental.
budget plan is 512k/128k and premium/business is 1.5M/256k

Jamie
  

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] clearwire AUP

[LinuxRocks!]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:48:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:48:17 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> Subject: [Eug-lug] clearwire AUP
> 
> well i found the aup online i havent had the time to see if it allows 
> running servers on it though hope this helps
I never looked for their AUP, but if they want, they can block any 
traffic they like. I havnt tried, but i hear they block the ports that 
VIOP uses (want some pain? try using vonage with clearwire!)

Jamie

> ___
> Try the New Netscape Mail Today!
> Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List
> http://mail.netscape.com
> 
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[LinuxRocks!]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:19:03AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:19:03 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> 
> oh for the aup for servers ill have to look it up in the end user 
> licenes or call and ask they have a few different planes my plane for 
> now is 768k down 128k up ive looked at  streaming video and saw no dif 
> between comcast and clearwire after i fixed my little networking prob 
> on my machine it was kinda out of wake for a day but its fixed now.

So... there is this...
http://www.clearwire.com/maps/eugene.htm it hasnt changed in the 6 mos 
or so ive been on clearwire, but they say they are always adding area...

The have 3 plans, 1 for business, budget $30/mo, premium $38/mo
then there is an additional $5 for modem rental.
budget plan is 512k/128k and premium/business is 1.5M/256k

Jamie

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Quentin Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group 
> Sent: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:07:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> 
> 
> On 4/1/06, LinuxRocks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Apr 
> 01, 2006 at 04:27:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:27:14 -0500
> >From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
> >To: euglug@euglug.org
> >Subject: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> >
> >We just got clearwire for our internet conection. I was amazed at how
> >easy it was to get and set up. We placed our order on thursday at 
> about
> >4 p.m and got the modem the next day at about 1 p.m. Does any one else
> >have clearwire there is a plug on their website saying that it can be
> >used mobile like in a car ect.ect I was thinking it would be kinda 
> cool
> >to set one of these things up at a remote location like in a park or
> >somthing any ways just food for thought.
> What sort of transfer speeds and latencies are you seeing with that? 
> Does their AUP specifically prohibit servers?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> -Regards-
> 
> -Quentin Hartman-
>   ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
> 
> 
> ___
> Try the New Netscape Mail Today!
> Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List
> http://mail.netscape.com
> 
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[steveklloyd]

oh for the aup for servers ill have to look it up in the end user 
licenes or call and ask they have a few different planes my plane for 
now is 768k down 128k up ive looked at  streaming video and saw no dif 
between comcast and clearwire after i fixed my little networking prob 
on my machine it was kinda out of wake for a day but its fixed now.


-Original Message-
From: Quentin Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group 
Sent: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:07:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire


On 4/1/06, LinuxRocks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Apr 
01, 2006 at 04:27:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:27:14 -0500
From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
To: euglug@euglug.org
Subject: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

We just got clearwire for our internet conection. I was amazed at how
easy it was to get and set up. We placed our order on thursday at 

about

4 p.m and got the modem the next day at about 1 p.m. Does any one else
have clearwire there is a plug on their website saying that it can be
used mobile like in a car ect.ect I was thinking it would be kinda 

cool

to set one of these things up at a remote location like in a park or
somthing any ways just food for thought.
What sort of transfer speeds and latencies are you seeing with that? 
Does their AUP specifically prohibit servers?




--
-Regards-

-Quentin Hartman-
  ___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug


___
Try the New Netscape Mail Today!
Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List
http://mail.netscape.com

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[steveklloyd]

I havent pinged it to see how the latency works but so far im tickled 
pink with it I could never do this with comcast. This thursday im going 
to get out my car adapter with my wireless router and have the wife 
drive us around town to see how well it works and try to build a map 
with a topo program i have. Ill post the reuslts here maby even atache 
the map with it if the groupe mail setting allow it.


-Original Message-
From: LinuxRocks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group 
Sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:20:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

 On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:10:50AM -0700, Bob Miller wrote:

Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:10:50 -0700
From: Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: euglug@euglug.org
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
Mail-Followup-To: euglug@euglug.org

LinuxRocks! wrote:

> transfer speeds and latency varies quite a bit. most of the time 

its
> faster than DSL, but slower than cable internet. Latency isnt as 

bad as
> you might think (being cell tech, not wire), but most of the time i 

dont

> notice it (like right now, im on a shell session, and there is no
> percievable lag). Im in glenwood right now, and I have 5 

bars(signal

> strength), it works with just one, but more bars is betters.

Could you give us some numbers?  Maybe the last two lines of output
from "ping -c 100 www.google.com"?

My IDSL line from Eschelon says...

   100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99584ms
   rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 49.918/52.287/64.784/1.874 ms

Heres ping from my router (linksys, not clearwire):
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=56.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=62.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=61.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=56.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=64.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=244 time=67.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=244 time=54.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=244 time=57.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=244 time=61.5 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=10 ttl=244 time=65.8 ms

and heres from lappy (connected to linksys, which is connected to
clearwire router)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping -c 100 www.google.com
PING www.l.google.com (66.102.7.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=65.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=59.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=58.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=54.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=243 time=57.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=243 time=52.4 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=243 time=64.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=243 time=62.6 ms

--- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.471/59.361/65.800/4.417 ms

as far as bandwidth, i can get multiple downloads doing over 100K each
(probably 200-300k total), uploads cap at about 30K total.

Uptime is actually pretty decent, the linksys wrt54g is less reliable
than the clearwire router.

Since i cant drive and use the comptuer at the same time, i cant say 
how

well that works, but I have had it setup in the car, and pulled over,
opened the laptop and just used it...

the cost/benefit of the technology works pretty good for me right 
now...

hopefully today, i will get a cell phone that can actually tether to a
laptop, and i'll see how well that works... i'll have to read up in
wimax and see what thats all about

Jamie





--
Bob Miller  K
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug


___
Try the New Netscape Mail Today!
Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List
http://mail.netscape.com

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[LinuxRocks!]

On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:10:50AM -0700, Bob Miller wrote:
> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:10:50 -0700
> From: Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> Mail-Followup-To: euglug@euglug.org
> 
> LinuxRocks! wrote:
> 
> > transfer speeds and latency varies quite a bit. most of the time its 
> > faster than DSL, but slower than cable internet. Latency isnt as bad as 
> > you might think (being cell tech, not wire), but most of the time i dont 
> > notice it (like right now, im on a shell session, and there is no 
> > percievable lag). Im in glenwood right now, and I have 5 bars(signal 
> > strength), it works with just one, but more bars is betters.
> 
> Could you give us some numbers?  Maybe the last two lines of output
> from "ping -c 100 www.google.com"?
> 
> My IDSL line from Eschelon says...
> 
>100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99584ms
>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 49.918/52.287/64.784/1.874 ms
Heres ping from my router (linksys, not clearwire):
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=56.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=62.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=61.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=56.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=244 time=60.7 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=244 time=64.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=244 time=67.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=7 ttl=244 time=54.6 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=8 ttl=244 time=57.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=9 ttl=244 time=61.5 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.99: icmp_seq=10 ttl=244 time=65.8 ms

and heres from lappy (connected to linksys, which is connected to 
clearwire router)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping -c 100 www.google.com
PING www.l.google.com (66.102.7.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=65.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=59.8 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=58.9 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=54.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=5 ttl=243 time=57.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=6 ttl=243 time=52.4 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=7 ttl=243 time=64.0 ms
64 bytes from 66.102.7.104: icmp_seq=8 ttl=243 time=62.6 ms

--- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.471/59.361/65.800/4.417 ms

as far as bandwidth, i can get multiple downloads doing over 100K each 
(probably 200-300k total), uploads cap at about 30K total. 

Uptime is actually pretty decent, the linksys wrt54g is less reliable 
than the clearwire router. 

Since i cant drive and use the comptuer at the same time, i cant say how 
well that works, but I have had it setup in the car, and pulled over, 
opened the laptop and just used it...

the cost/benefit of the technology works pretty good for me right now... 
hopefully today, i will get a cell phone that can actually tether to a 
laptop, and i'll see how well that works... i'll have to read up in 
wimax and see what thats all about

Jamie



> 
> -- 
> Bob Miller  K
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Bob Miller]

LinuxRocks! wrote:

> transfer speeds and latency varies quite a bit. most of the time its 
> faster than DSL, but slower than cable internet. Latency isnt as bad as 
> you might think (being cell tech, not wire), but most of the time i dont 
> notice it (like right now, im on a shell session, and there is no 
> percievable lag). Im in glenwood right now, and I have 5 bars(signal 
> strength), it works with just one, but more bars is betters.

Could you give us some numbers?  Maybe the last two lines of output
from "ping -c 100 www.google.com"?

My IDSL line from Eschelon says...

   100 packets transmitted, 100 received, 0% packet loss, time 99584ms
   rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 49.918/52.287/64.784/1.874 ms

-- 
Bob Miller  K
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[dooger watts]

The main problem with these dogs is they're one of the major lobbyists 
bribing congress to outlaw wimax in amerika.


Land of the free, home of the buck . . .

LinuxRocks! wrote:

The problem i have is that you cannot buy the equipment. I want to 
modify mine with an extended antanna, but they wont sell me the unit, 
and dont make an antenna :( 



___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[LinuxRocks!]

On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:07:38PM -0700, Quentin Hartman wrote:
> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:07:38 -0700
> From: "Quentin Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group" 
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> 
> On 4/1/06, LinuxRocks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 04:27:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:27:14 -0500
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
> > > To: euglug@euglug.org
> > > Subject: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> > >
> > > We just got clearwire for our internet conection. I was amazed at how
> > > easy it was to get and set up. We placed our order on thursday at about
> > > 4 p.m and got the modem the next day at about 1 p.m. Does any one else
> > > have clearwire there is a plug on their website saying that it can be
> > > used mobile like in a car ect.ect I was thinking it would be kinda cool
> > > to set one of these things up at a remote location like in a park or
> > > somthing any ways just food for thought.
> 
> 
> What sort of transfer speeds and latencies are you seeing with that? Does
> their AUP specifically prohibit servers?

transfer speeds and latency varies quite a bit. most of the time its 
faster than DSL, but slower than cable internet. Latency isnt as bad as 
you might think (being cell tech, not wire), but most of the time i dont 
notice it (like right now, im on a shell session, and there is no 
percievable lag). Im in glenwood right now, and I have 5 bars(signal 
strength), it works with just one, but more bars is betters.

The problem i have is that you cannot buy the equipment. I want to 
modify mine with an extended antanna, but they wont sell me the unit, 
and dont make an antenna :( 

Jamie


> 
> --
> -Regards-
> 
> -Quentin Hartman-

> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[Quentin Hartman]

On 4/1/06, LinuxRocks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 04:27:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:27:14 -0500> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106> To: euglug@euglug.org> Subject: [Eug-lug] Clearwire>> We just got clearwire for our internet conection. I was amazed at how
> easy it was to get and set up. We placed our order on thursday at about> 4 p.m and got the modem the next day at about 1 p.m. Does any one else> have clearwire there is a plug on their website saying that it can be
> used mobile like in a car ect.ect I was thinking it would be kinda cool> to set one of these things up at a remote location like in a park or> somthing any ways just food for thought.
What sort of transfer speeds and latencies are you seeing with that? Does their AUP specifically prohibit servers?-- -Regards--Quentin Hartman-
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire

[LinuxRocks!]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 04:27:14PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:27:14 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> X-Mailer: Netscape WebMail 15106
> To: euglug@euglug.org
> Subject: [Eug-lug] Clearwire
> 
> We just got clearwire for our internet conection. I was amazed at how 
> easy it was to get and set up. We placed our order on thursday at about 
> 4 p.m and got the modem the next day at about 1 p.m. Does any one else 
> have clearwire there is a plug on their website saying that it can be 
> used mobile like in a car ect.ect I was thinking it would be kinda cool 
> to set one of these things up at a remote location like in a park or 
> somthing any ways just food for thought.
yeah... do it all the time... It work real good in eugene, and 
springfield, however it wont work at all when it doesnt work, and there 
are spots in town it wont work.
I set mine up with a wifi router, and run it in my car, then I have 
internet access for about a block around the car.

Jamie

> ___
> Try the New Netscape Mail Today!
> Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List
> http://mail.netscape.com
> 
> ___
> EUGLUG mailing list
> euglug@euglug.org
> http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire broadband internet with linux?

[Mr O]

More than likely the most popular, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera,
Netscape and other variants. Probably not lynx or links though
;)



--- Jeff Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can't have fun with it until I can get down to a meeting and
> get the linux 
> changed with the CD's that Jim has for mandrake 9.1, Mr. O.,
> now that's 
> intersting news to hear. But which linux browser would it
> worth with tho, if 
> they say its for windows?


__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire broadband internet with linux?

[Jeff Newton]

Can't have fun with it until I can get down to a meeting and get the linux 
changed with the CD's that Jim has for mandrake 9.1, Mr. O., now that's 
intersting news to hear. But which linux browser would it worth with tho, if 
they say its for windows?




Mr O wrote:

Yup. Should work fine. It's configured through a browser and
advertised to work with routers as well. Not as fast as a land
based technology but very portable. I've already talked with the
regional manager and a sales guy. Trust me, one of the first
things I asked was "is it going to be a Windows only solution
for setup?"

Other than that, have fun with it and let us know how it goes.

The geek,
Mr O.

___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Clearwire broadband internet with linux?

[Mr O]

Yup. Should work fine. It's configured through a browser and
advertised to work with routers as well. Not as fast as a land
based technology but very portable. I've already talked with the
regional manager and a sales guy. Trust me, one of the first
things I asked was "is it going to be a Windows only solution
for setup?"

Other than that, have fun with it and let us know how it goes.

The geek,
Mr O.

--- Jeff Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey guys, does anyone know if the new Clearwire internet
> service works with 
> linux? I'm considering this, when I get the laptop working.
> Which reminds, me 
> I've been saying this for months now and still haven't drug my
> butt out east to 
> get this thing to work.
> 
> Jeff
>



 
Yahoo! Sports 
Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football 
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
___
EUGLUG mailing list
euglug@euglug.org
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug