Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

[Pam Doore]

I have been a foster failure 4 times.  Once I saw how well the foster's did
with the the other cats and I fell in love, they had to stay :-D.

As far as treating shelter pets, I know that at my shelter there is a set
amount per pet and anything above that comes from a special account which
has been newly set up.  We do not have a vet at our shelter, we have to
take the cats and dogs to the vet clinic and there really is no shelter
discount for medicine or office visits.  I can't make decisions for pets
based on money alone.  My goal is always the quality of life.

I wish you and Gilbert all the best in getting him the right meds to keep
him pain-free :-D.  I love the image of a 15lb kitty snoozing on your chest
:).


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On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:

> They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives.  I have 3
> 15 pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on.  Thank God they
> take turns.  Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot?  Homey gets into a trance
> and digs deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little
> red spots are.  Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can
> give pain treatment as you see fit?
> I end up adopting everyone that comes my way.  After just a couple of days
> I could not let them go.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> >
>
> Amani...
> As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to
> research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In
> the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re:
> drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him
> hurting  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay
> my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to
> be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential
> problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as
> he is a Foster   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap
> per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local
> community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for
> nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not
> yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies
> life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter
> during his final days  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and
> loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly
> around with me longer  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting
> on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..
>
> Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

[dlgegg]

They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives.  I have 3 15 
pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on.  Thank God they take 
turns.  Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot?  Homey gets into a trance and digs 
deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little red spots are. 
 Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can give pain treatment as 
you see fit?
I end up adopting everyone that comes my way.  After just a couple of days I 
could not let them go.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 

Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..


Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Amani Oakley]

Bob

I know you have had trouble with the clinic in terms of offering you 
medications, but if it were me, I would also want to try dexamethasone by 
injection if possible. It is much more powerful than the prednisone in reducing 
swelling and helping in reducing pain and neurological symptoms in brain 
lesions.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[dlgegg]

I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other 
FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own.  I 
am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least 
check it out for herself.  

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few 
> days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night 
> during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing 
> signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest 
> amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle 
> part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very 
> fast.
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sheri Burbridge
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be 
> difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of 
> life they deserve. 
> 
> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that 
> went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy 
> but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
> 
> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <dlg...@windstream.net 
> <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote:
> 
> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
> favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
> could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he 
> can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that 
> is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e 
> with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
> 
>  ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net <mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > 
> wrote:
> > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Ardy Robertson]

I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few 
days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during 
the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of 
pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that 
would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He 
seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri 
Burbridge
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

 

Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be 
difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of 
life they deserve. 

My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that 
went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but 
I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.

 

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <dlg...@windstream.net 
<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote:

While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can 
be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is 
impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with 
you both and give him a peaceful passing.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net <mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > 
wrote:
> My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest,
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
for as long as I can.
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[dlgegg]

Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me.  Even 
Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger.  It was hard to 
hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who 
was willing to help me.  Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished 
that I felt guilty for doing this to her.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Hi Marge
> 
> My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and 
> that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally 
> prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and 
> especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed 
> to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I 
> have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, 
> I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to 
> the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the 
> transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> 
> 
> 
> For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right 
> at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the 
> end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The 
> injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.
> 
> But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that 
> works for Gilbert
> 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
> >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
> >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding 
> >pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having 
> >to give it orally when the mouth hurts.
> >
> >Amani
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >ROBERT CHAPEL
> >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Thanks Sheri...
> >
> >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
> >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of 
> >experience with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was 
> >plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to 
> >Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't 
> >know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...  
> >Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer 
> >something injectable or something that could be added to his food   The 
> >only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort 
> >is subq ...   so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange 
> >for a longer period of more comfort...
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Margo

My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and 
that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally 
prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and 
especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to 
him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have 
never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree 
with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site 
you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal 
in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well.

Amani

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Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..



For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at 
the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. 
Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was 
much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.

But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works 
for Gilbert


Margo


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>From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
>the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy 
>they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it 
>orally when the mouth hurts.
>
>Amani
>
>-Original Message-
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>ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Thanks Sheri...
>
>The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
>which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
>with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
>Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
>appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
>to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
>mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
>something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
>medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
>he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of 
>more comfort...
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani, Margo et al
Thank you for the input  I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine 
having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall...  was hoping 
there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence 
on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when 
their pain is not joint related... He's already been on  one course of 
Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they 
are not giving it to him chronically. and yes...I agree..ANY thing 
that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus...  I was fairly 
into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it 
for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but 
others swear by Herbs (  potency is so variable it's hard to say for 
certain)  When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I 
would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration 
of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME...  I'm over a 
barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for 
pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very 
difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of 
fostering the cat  But... I doubt they would have an issue they 
already know what I will propose if they don't agree Buprenorphine 
isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the 
syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in 
prefilled syringes  Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in 
MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing 
eating. but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as 
the tumor grows.   Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with 
the shelter vet and director..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Margo]

For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at 
the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. 
Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was 
much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.

But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works 
for Gilbert


Margo


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>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
>the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy 
>they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it 
>orally when the mouth hurts.
>
>Amani
>
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>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Thanks Sheri...
>
>The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
>which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
>with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
>Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
>appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
>to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
>mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
>something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
>medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
>he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of 
>more comfort...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Margo]

Buprenex/buprenorphine. It is what I have used in many cats, it's very 
effective, dose is easily adjusted for each cat, and it's simple to give. I get 
it from Diamndbackdrugs;

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_date_column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1_post_id=2060=BUPRENORPHINE_filter_submit=Search

but most shelters should have it. Oral is best, works the fastest, and just has 
to go IN the cat's mouth, NOT be swallowed. I had a cat with oral SCC, and she 
seemed happy and pain free to the end.

Since this is a Foster cat, I don't think the shelter is going to pursue much 
in the way of treatment, but as Amani said prednisolone can only help. And 
readily available.

Thank you for being his soft place to fall, and a final loving home. So many 
never find that. I know how hard it is, please know you are making a huge 
difference in a small, but very important, life.

Margo

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>From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 12:20 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>
>My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
>Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
>beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
>paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
>and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
>motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
>I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
>shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
>to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
>amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
>have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
>in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
>or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
>heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
>was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
>apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
>gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
>sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
>" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
>little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
>affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
>his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
>watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
>any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
>your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
>already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
>would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
>and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
>room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
>so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
>for as long as I can.
>Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
>
>Bob
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Amani Oakley]

Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy 
they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it 
orally when the mouth hurts.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more 
comfort...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Amani Oakley]

Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by 
reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around 
the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like 
mannitol or decadron.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more 
comfort...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for 
Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I 
have a LOT of experience with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my 
Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a 
while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a 
bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the 
group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts mouth 
hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I 
guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer 
period of more comfort...




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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Sheri Burbridge]

Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly
be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the
quality of life they deserve.

My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that
went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy
but I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM  wrote:

> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around
> his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This
> way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him
> and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting
> attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you
> have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[dlgegg]

While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can 
be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is 
impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with 
you both and give him a peaceful passing.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.

Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob






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