Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Ardy Robertson]

Praying for a miracle for Michael……. And thinking of you and your parents too.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri 
Knight
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

 

So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it needed 
to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test results 
which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:

 

Update.

 

So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of 
specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet could 
see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he started it 
on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had to have a 
second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to work. He is 
still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the vet yesterday (14 
Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still dropping, but his 
platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more colour in his mouth and 
tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was running a slight temperature so 
his medrol (not sure what that is) was upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 
Feb. So kind of mixed results but still not looking good with the red blood 
cell production.

 

Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood 
cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing more 
that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach critical levels 
by Monday. 

 

My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the 
world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey. The 
vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add to this 
he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.

 

It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate on 
top of being so far away from him.

 

Terri

 

 

On 22 Jan 2017 09:49, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol 
(Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: Stanozolol 
in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible mechanisms of 
action.

 

Here is the abstract of the paper:

 

To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the treatment of 
osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with 23 treated and 
23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy was assessed by 
serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total bone mass) by neutron 
activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by single-photon absorptiometry, 
and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body calcium increased 4.4% from baseline 
values (P less than 0.01) in the treated group and remained unchanged in the 
control group; the difference in the change in TBC between the treated and 
control groups was significant (P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on 
TBC persisted throughout the 29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements 
of RBM indicated no significant differences between the treated and placebo 
groups, suggesting a possible differential response to therapy at various 
skeletal sites. No new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated 
group (compared with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of 
serum and urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and 
an increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group. 
These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was 
significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone biopsy 
specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated and control 
groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed SGOT elevations 
or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no time were these 
effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of medication. The data 
suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the net total bone mass 
above pretreatment levels. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Terri Knight


Sent: January-21-17 1:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

 

So an update.

 

I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I left 
him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and Michael's vet 
has been great with doing research and getting new options from specialists.

 

I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs were 
for and what we were doing already

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Amani Oakley]

Terri

I just noticed your email, which was held up, you mentioned you were trying to 
post lab results. I didn’t get the lab results. I don’t know if you still want 
input into them, but if so, send them to me directly if you would like.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri 
Knight
Sent: February-17-17 10:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it needed 
to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test results 
which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:

Update.

So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of 
specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet could 
see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he started it 
on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had to have a 
second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to work. He is 
still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the vet yesterday (14 
Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still dropping, but his 
platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more colour in his mouth and 
tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was running a slight temperature so 
his medrol (not sure what that is) was upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 
Feb. So kind of mixed results but still not looking good with the red blood 
cell production.

Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood 
cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing more 
that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach critical levels 
by Monday.

My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the 
world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey. The 
vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add to this 
he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.

It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate on 
top of being so far away from him.

Terri

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Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Maira Favela]

Im sorry for both you, michael and your parents. Unfortunately, it's for
the best. At least you know that you and your famiy did everything you
could do for Mikey and that when he passes, he will be surrounded with the
people who love him. :'-(

On Feb 17, 2017 7:19 PM, "Terri Knight" <tkmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it
> needed to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test
> results which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:
>
> Update.
>
> So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of
> specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet
> could see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he
> started it on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had
> to have a second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to
> work. He is still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the
> vet yesterday (14 Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still
> dropping, but his platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more
> colour in his mouth and tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was
> running a slight temperature so his medrol (not sure what that is) was
> upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 Feb. So kind of mixed results but
> still not looking good with the red blood cell production.
>
> Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood
> cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing
> more that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach
> critical levels by Monday.
>
> My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the
> world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey.
> The vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add
> to this he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.
>
> It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate
> on top of being so far away from him.
>
> Terri
>
>
> On 22 Jan 2017 09:49, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol
> (Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: *Stanozolol
> in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible
> mechanisms of action.*
>
>
>
> Here is the abstract of the paper:
>
>
>
> *To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the
> treatment of osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with
> 23 treated and 23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy
> was assessed by serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total
> bone mass) by neutron activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by
> single-photon absorptiometry, and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body
> calcium increased 4.4% from baseline values (P less than 0.01) in the
> treated group and remained unchanged in the control group; the difference
> in the change in TBC between the treated and control groups was significant
> (P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on TBC persisted throughout the
> 29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements of RBM indicated no
> significant differences between the treated and placebo groups, suggesting
> a possible differential response to therapy at various skeletal sites. No
> new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated group (compared
> with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of serum and
> urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and an
> increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group.
> These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was
> significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone
> biopsy specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated
> and control groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed
> SGOT elevations or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no
> time were these effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of
> medication. The data suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the
> net total bone mass above pretreatment levels.*
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Terri Knight
>
> *Sent:* January-21-17 1:12 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
>
>
>
> So an update.
>
>
>
> I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I
> lef

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Terri Knight]

So my last email I sent a few days ago didn't seem to go through as it
needed to be moderated due to its size. I attached a pic of the blood test
results which clearly the system didn't like. This was my email:

Update.

So Michael was first put on Epo a few weeks ago due to the suggestions of
specialists that my vet contacted, he was not on it for long as the vet
could see it was not working. I then organized to get Winstrol for him, he
started it on 1 February but due to his blood count being super low he had
to have a second transfusion on 3 February to give the Winstrol a chance to
work. He is still on Doxy as far as I know and cortisone. He visited the
vet yesterday (14 Feb) with this update: his red blood cells are still
dropping, but his platelets are up and the vet said he had a bit more
colour in his mouth and tongue, he has lost a bit more weight and was
running a slight temperature so his medrol (not sure what that is) was
upped for 3 days, back to the vet on 17 Feb. So kind of mixed results but
still not looking good with the red blood cell production.

Unfortunately his latest test results shows a decline again, his red blood
cells went from 10.42% on Tuesday to 8.18% on Friday and there is nothing
more that can be done. At his current rate of decline he will reach
critical levels by Monday.

My parents and I (but mostly my parents since I'm on the other side of the
world) have to make a heartbreaking decision of when it's time for Mikey.
The vet says that when he reaches 6% he will be feeling terrible and to add
to this he has no more energy he just lies down in one spot all the time.

It is with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes that I have accept his fate
on top of being so far away from him.

Terri


On 22 Jan 2017 09:49, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol
(Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: *Stanozolol
in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible
mechanisms of action.*



Here is the abstract of the paper:



*To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the treatment
of osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with 23
treated and 23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy was
assessed by serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total bone
mass) by neutron activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by
single-photon absorptiometry, and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body
calcium increased 4.4% from baseline values (P less than 0.01) in the
treated group and remained unchanged in the control group; the difference
in the change in TBC between the treated and control groups was significant
(P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on TBC persisted throughout the
29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements of RBM indicated no
significant differences between the treated and placebo groups, suggesting
a possible differential response to therapy at various skeletal sites. No
new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated group (compared
with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of serum and
urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and an
increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group.
These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was
significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone
biopsy specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated
and control groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed
SGOT elevations or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no
time were these effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of
medication. The data suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the
net total bone mass above pretreatment levels.*



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Terri Knight

*Sent:* January-21-17 1:12 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope



So an update.



I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I
left him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and
Michael's vet has been great with doing research and getting new options
from specialists.



I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs
were for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we
don't always get the same drugs or they have different names.



He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the
tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael
the anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for
production of anything in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and
he was already on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the
common side effect of nausea. H

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Amani Oakley]

I probably can’t attach the actual papers regarding the use of Stanazolol 
(Winstrol) in osteoporosis, but the title of one of the papers is: Stanozolol 
in postmenopausal osteoporosis: therapeutic efficacy and possible mechanisms of 
action.

Here is the abstract of the paper:

To assess the efficacy of the anabolic steroid stanozolol in the treatment of 
osteoporosis, a 29-month double-blind study was performed with 23 treated and 
23 control postmenopausal osteoporotic women. Drug efficacy was assessed by 
serial determinations of total body calcium (TBC--total bone mass) by neutron 
activation analysis, regional bone mass (RBM) by single-photon absorptiometry, 
and by spinal roentgenograms. Total body calcium increased 4.4% from baseline 
values (P less than 0.01) in the treated group and remained unchanged in the 
control group; the difference in the change in TBC between the treated and 
control groups was significant (P less than 0.03). The effect of the drug on 
TBC persisted throughout the 29-month period. In contrast to TBC, measurements 
of RBM indicated no significant differences between the treated and placebo 
groups, suggesting a possible differential response to therapy at various 
skeletal sites. No new spinal compression fractures were noted in the treated 
group (compared with three new fractures in the control group). Assessment of 
serum and urine values indicated a decrease in the level of urinary calcium and 
an increase in the level of total urinary cyclic AMP in the treated group. 
These changes were observed even though the level of serum iPTH was 
significantly decreased during the study. An analysis of changes in bone biopsy 
specimens revealed no significant differences between the treated and control 
groups. Seventy-six percent of the treated subjects developed SGOT elevations 
or other side effects from the stanozolol therapy; at no time were these 
effects sufficiently severe to cause termination of medication. The data 
suggest that long-term use of stanozolol increases the net total bone mass 
above pretreatment levels.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri 
Knight
Sent: January-21-17 1:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

So an update.

I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I left 
him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and Michael's vet 
has been great with doing research and getting new options from specialists.

I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs were 
for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we don't 
always get the same drugs or they have different names.

He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the 
tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael the 
anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for production 
of anything in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and he was already 
on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the common side effect 
of nausea. He did change him to Doxy with strict instructions to give it to him 
with food and watch his reaction to it.

Just before I left Michael went for blood count again and was still steadily 
dropping, the vet got got hold of specialists but no good news. After I left my 
dad told me our vet spoke to more specialists and we had a new option. He gets 
an injection every few days and the vet said we should see where it will lead 
by Monday. I'm not sure what the new meds are but my mom has joined this 
mailing list and my dad will soon too. I told the to keep this platform updated 
and I will too.

Terri

On 12 Jan 2017 07:24, <dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> 
wrote:
when i had cncer, they gave me epogen.  i had a reaction to it and they stopped.

 gidge...@aol.com<mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote:
> Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they 
> start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think 
> has been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 
> time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the 
> injections to find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen 
> is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and 
> they search for that perfect dosage.
>
>
> Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work 
> and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things 
> may go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby 
> Kit.  I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also 
> she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to 
> see the blood work.  If you want, y

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Margo]

Not sure why the Vet would say that Baytril and Doxocycline are simlilar, other than both are antibiotics. Baytril (Enrofloxacin), is a second-generation fluoroquinolone.Doxycycline is an advanced analogue of the tetracycline family of antibiotics.Recently I has a cat with severe anemia switched from Doxy to Zenequin (another fluoroquinolone) and he improved dramatically, but he isn't FeLV+ (although we kept testing because he presented as classically infected) and it now seems the the problem was an odd mycoplasma.As for the erythropoietin/darbopoietin, it seems to be most often used in cats with kidney related anemia, but in humans it can be helpful for anemia caused by other conditions. I would never say don't try it, but its an expensive trial.Hoping you find a  good balance for Michael,Margo-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Sent: Jan 21, 2017 1:49 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope





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Terri
 
I don’t agree with him on the bone marrow. Winstrol can be used on humans with osteoporosis because it stimulates bone marrow cell production. There have been
 papers written on it. Did he give the Winstrol? I couldn’t be sure from your post.
 
Also, no Baytril is not like Doxy. Doxy is known to interfere with RNA synthesis and thus has some effect on viruses, and other non-bacterial agents. As far as
 I know, Baytril doesn’t.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Terri Knight
Sent: January-21-17 1:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
 

So an update.

 


I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I left him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and Michael's vet has been great with doing research and getting new options from specialists.


 


I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs were for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we don't always get the same drugs or they have different names.


 


He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael the anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for production of anything
 in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and he was already on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the common side effect of nausea. He did change
 him to Doxy with strict instructions to give it to him with food and watch his reaction to it.


 


Just before I left Michael went for blood count again and was still steadily dropping, the vet got got hold of specialists but no good news. After I left my dad told me our vet spoke to more specialists and we had a new option. He gets
 an injection every few days and the vet said we should see where it will lead by Monday. I'm not sure what the new meds are but my mom has joined this mailing list and my dad will soon too. I told the to keep this platform updated and I will too.


 


Terri



 

On 12 Jan 2017 07:24, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
when i had cncer, they gave me epogen.  i had a reaction to it and they stopped.

 gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think has been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 time a week and when it is
 within normal range, begin to space out the injections to find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and they search for that perfect dosage.
>
>
> Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things may go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby Kit.  I immediately put her
 on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to see the blood work.  If you want, you can send to me privately at
gidge...@aol.com
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terri <tkmoo...@gmail.com>
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
>
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested 

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Amani Oakley]

Terri

I don’t agree with him on the bone marrow. Winstrol can be used on humans with 
osteoporosis because it stimulates bone marrow cell production. There have been 
papers written on it. Did he give the Winstrol? I couldn’t be sure from your 
post.

Also, no Baytril is not like Doxy. Doxy is known to interfere with RNA 
synthesis and thus has some effect on viruses, and other non-bacterial agents. 
As far as I know, Baytril doesn’t.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri 
Knight
Sent: January-21-17 1:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

So an update.

I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I left 
him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and Michael's vet 
has been great with doing research and getting new options from specialists.

I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs were 
for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we don't 
always get the same drugs or they have different names.

He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the 
tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael the 
anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for production 
of anything in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and he was already 
on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the common side effect 
of nausea. He did change him to Doxy with strict instructions to give it to him 
with food and watch his reaction to it.

Just before I left Michael went for blood count again and was still steadily 
dropping, the vet got got hold of specialists but no good news. After I left my 
dad told me our vet spoke to more specialists and we had a new option. He gets 
an injection every few days and the vet said we should see where it will lead 
by Monday. I'm not sure what the new meds are but my mom has joined this 
mailing list and my dad will soon too. I told the to keep this platform updated 
and I will too.

Terri

On 12 Jan 2017 07:24, <dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> 
wrote:
when i had cncer, they gave me epogen.  i had a reaction to it and they stopped.

 gidge...@aol.com<mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote:
> Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they 
> start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think 
> has been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 
> time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the 
> injections to find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen 
> is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and 
> they search for that perfect dosage.
>
>
> Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work 
> and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things 
> may go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby 
> Kit.  I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also 
> she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to 
> see the blood work.  If you want, you can send to me privately at 
> gidge...@aol.com<mailto:gidge...@aol.com>
>
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terri <tkmoo...@gmail.com<mailto:tkmoo...@gmail.com>>
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
>
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed 
> he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I 
> thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for 
> felv, and vaccinated him every year.
>
> On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could 
> be wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any 
> further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and 
> vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be 
> and she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do 
> except a blood transfusion at some stage.
>
> After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would 
> not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for 
> a previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. 
> It helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found 
> a vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and 
> what had happened earlier t

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Terri Knight]

So an update.

I had to leave to start working in South Korea without my baby Mike, but I
left him in my parents capable hands. They have done a great job and
Michael's vet has been great with doing research and getting new options
from specialists.

I spoke to my vet about Amani's advice and he explained what those drugs
were for and what we were doing already, Michael is in South Africa so we
don't always get the same drugs or they have different names.

He was already on a cortisone injection which was a better option than the
tablet form (until he improves), he was more than willing to give Michael
the anabolic steroid but said that it doesn't actually do anything for
production of anything in the bone marrow it is to help with appetite, and
he was already on Baytril which was similar to Doxycycline but without the
common side effect of nausea. He did change him to Doxy with strict
instructions to give it to him with food and watch his reaction to it.

Just before I left Michael went for blood count again and was still
steadily dropping, the vet got got hold of specialists but no good news.
After I left my dad told me our vet spoke to more specialists and we had a
new option. He gets an injection every few days and the vet said we should
see where it will lead by Monday. I'm not sure what the new meds are but my
mom has joined this mailing list and my dad will soon too. I told the to
keep this platform updated and I will too.

Terri

On 12 Jan 2017 07:24,  wrote:

> when i had cncer, they gave me epogen.  i had a reaction to it and they
> stopped.
>
>  gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> > Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can
> they start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which
> I think has been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give
> the shot 1 time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space
> out the injections to find the right dose to  hold it in that normal
> range.  Epogen is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage
> is skipped and they search for that perfect dosage.
> >
> >
> > Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood
> work and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated,
> things may go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to
> my baby Kit.  I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid
> Immuno.  Also she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really
> would like to see the blood work.  If you want, you can send to me
> privately at gidge...@aol.com
> >
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Terri 
> > To: felvtalk 
> > Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone.
> >
> > My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I
> noticed he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or
> so I thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative
> for felv, and vaccinated him every year.
> >
> > On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what
> could be wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she
> didn’t do any further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed
> cortisone every day and vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked
> what his lifespan would be and she told me not very long and that there was
> nothing else we could do except a blood transfusion at some stage.
> >
> > After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he
> would not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been
> given for a previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a
> vet opened. It helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I
> finally found a vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about
> his history and what had happened earlier that morning, by this time his
> leg was fine so the vet gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was
> moaning in pain and told me to bring him back later if it didn’t help. I
> took him back where a different vet saw him, he did blood tests and the
> results were terrible, he also felt that he had some sort of neurological
> issue so he had to be admitted to hospital. His platelet and red blood cell
> count was extremely low and he was not responding to treatment, I made the
> decision for him to have a blood transfusion which he received on 3 Jan
> Tuesday evening. I fetched him on Wednesday and had him tested again on the
> Friday, his results were still better but there was no sign of his body
> regenerating. On the weekend he just seemed to improve so much, is appetite
> was back and he had interest in playing like his old self again, but
> Monday’s results did not reflect his behavior. His body was not
> regenerating and his counts had dropped 

Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[dlgegg]

when i had cncer, they gave me epogen.  i had a reaction to it and they stopped.

 gidge...@aol.com wrote: 
> Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they 
> start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think 
> has been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 
> time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the 
> injections to find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen 
> is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and 
> they search for that perfect dosage.  
> 
> 
> Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work 
> and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things 
> may go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby 
> Kit.  I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also 
> she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to 
> see the blood work.  If you want, you can send to me privately at 
> gidge...@aol.com
> 
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Terri 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone.
>  
> My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed 
> he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I 
> thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for 
> felv, and vaccinated him every year.
>  
> On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could 
> be wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any 
> further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and 
> vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be 
> and she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do 
> except a blood transfusion at some stage.
>  
> After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would 
> not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for 
> a previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. 
> It helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found 
> a vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and 
> what had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the 
> vet gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me 
> to bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different 
> vet saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt 
> that he had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to 
> hospital. His platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was 
> not responding to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood 
> transfusion which he received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on 
> Wednesday and had him tested again on the Friday, his results were still 
> better but there was no sign of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just 
> seemed to improve so much, is appetite was back and he had interest in 
> playing like his old self again, but Monday’s results did not reflect his 
> behavior. His body was not regenerating and his counts had dropped slightly.
>  
> My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and 
> don’t know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any 
> advice or suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on 
> Baytril and a nutritional tonic.
>  
> Kind regards,
> Terri Knight
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[gidget43]

Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they start 
him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think has 
been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 time a 
week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the injections to 
find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen is given 3 times 
a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and they search for that 
perfect dosage.  


Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work 
and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things may 
go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby Kit.  I 
immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also she was put 
on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to see the blood 
work.  If you want, you can send to me privately at gidge...@aol.com


Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Terri 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope



Hi everyone.
 
My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed he 
had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I thought. I 
got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for felv, and 
vaccinated him every year.
 
On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could be 
wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any 
further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and 
vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be and 
she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do except a 
blood transfusion at some stage.
 
After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would 
not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for a 
previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. It 
helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found a 
vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and what 
had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the vet 
gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me to 
bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different vet 
saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt that he 
had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to hospital. His 
platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was not responding 
to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood transfusion which he 
received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on Wednesday and had him 
tested again on the Friday, his results were still better but there was no sign 
of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just seemed to improve so much, is 
appetite was back and he had interest in playing like his old self again, but 
Monday’s results did not reflect his behavior. His body was not regenerating 
and his counts had dropped slightly.
 
My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and don’t 
know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any advice or 
suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on Baytril and a 
nutritional tonic.
 
Kind regards,
Terri Knight
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[Amani Oakley]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but my suggestion would be to put him on 
1 mg of Stanazolol (Winstrol) 2x a day, along with ¼ tablet of 100 mg 
Doxycycline 2x a day (or less if you get the Doxy in a liquid form which can be 
more easily calibrated to weight) plus ½ a tablet of 5 mg prednisolone 2x a 
day, plus apo-metoclopromine 2x a day if needed (if he is having trouble eating 
or keeping the food down).

The blood transfusion you gave him will hold him for a while, though you 
haven’t indicated what his red cells, haematocrit, haemoglobin, etc., levels 
are. The transfusion will allow for proper oxygenation, etc., while you 
hopefully work to up the numbers of red cells being produced by his bone marrow 
(something I have had excellent success with, by using the Winstrol).

If you haven’t already followed the discussion about Winstrol, I will forewarn 
you that it can be very difficult to convince some vets to prescribe it. They 
will quote the risk of liver damage which is overhyped, but in any event, 
rather irrelevant when faced with a critical situation like the one your little 
boy faces now. Vets may also be reluctant to prescribe it because it is 
associated with doping scandals in professional sports, but unless your cat is 
planning to run in the Olympics or play professional baseball, I never could 
understand this illogical response. Your vet will need to obtain Winstrol from 
a compounding pharmacy, and my suggestion would be to ask for it (if possible) 
in fast-dissolve pill form, which I have found very easy to use intact in 
pilling my cats, and others in this group have reported is easy to dissolve 
into food if that is preferred.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri
Sent: January-10-17 6:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

Hi everyone.

My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed he 
had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I thought. I 
got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for felv, and 
vaccinated him every year.

On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could be 
wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any 
further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and 
vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be and 
she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do except a 
blood transfusion at some stage.

After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would 
not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for a 
previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. It 
helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found a 
vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and what 
had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the vet 
gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me to 
bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different vet 
saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt that he 
had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to hospital. His 
platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was not responding 
to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood transfusion which he 
received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on Wednesday and had him 
tested again on the Friday, his results were still better but there was no sign 
of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just seemed to improve so much, is 
appetite was back and he had interest in playing like his old self again, but 
Monday’s results did not reflect his behavior. His body was not regenerating 
and his counts had dropped slightly.

My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and don’t 
know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any advice or 
suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on Baytril and a 
nutritional tonic.

Kind regards,
Terri Knight

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