Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi..

[dlgegg]

If wishes did come true, I would win the sweepstakes and empty the shelters of 
unwanted creatures.  I would resuce children also but they say I am too old 
(76).

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Thank you all for your kind words... I guess when it comes to FeLV ( and 
more than likely all cats and most creatures small, medium and large)... 
we're all preaching to the choir...   I know all of you would feel very 
much the same as I and that I would offer similar words of condolence 
and encouragement (not that it isn't still nice and very much 
appreciated)    I've watched many of you put heroic effort into saving 
your Buddies and still others save every stray that ever meandered up to 
their door.  It's heartwarming and so encouraging to know that all of 
you are out there doing what you can for these sweet creatures( and some 
perhaps not so sweet..but in need none the less : ) ..  If more 
people were like all the caring people on this forum there would BE no 
homeless animals and shelters would merely be a very temporary stopover 
and, perhaps, a convenient place to pick up one or two extra cats if 
none happened to take up residence on your stoop that week... But..  If 
wishes were horses then beggars would ride...

thank you all...
Bob


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> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing
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> I am so sorry that he passed, but glad that he was in his bed, with 
> you at his side.  Maybe he did not have long  but his time with you 
> was a time filled with love.  Yes, it will take some time to get over 
> this hurt, but as you say, you will be able to give another FELV cat 
> love.  You will always have memories.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>> Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom 
>> I
> had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and 
> most recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to 
> keep treating him..
> Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
> started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
> weeks to 14?? I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
> to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
> but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply 
> was not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
> He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
> with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive 
> all these months stroking him..? I had actually made arrangements to 
> put him down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that 
> morning.? I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
> It's been a tough go...?? The little guy never really knew more than a 
> few months of health.
> There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
> ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
> sweet gentle little soul that never so much as? attempted to scratch 
> me despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him 
> alive There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started 
> with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year 
> lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put 
> him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice 
> and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me press on .
> So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
> big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
> certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home 
> to another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. 
> and to give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much 
> a Kitten in his 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your kind words... I guess when it comes to FeLV ( and 
more than likely all cats and most creatures small, medium and large)... 
we're all preaching to the choir...   I know all of you would feel very 
much the same as I and that I would offer similar words of condolence 
and encouragement (not that it isn't still nice and very much 
appreciated)    I've watched many of you put heroic effort into saving 
your Buddies and still others save every stray that ever meandered up to 
their door.  It's heartwarming and so encouraging to know that all of 
you are out there doing what you can for these sweet creatures( and some 
perhaps not so sweet..but in need none the less : ) ..  If more 
people were like all the caring people on this forum there would BE no 
homeless animals and shelters would merely be a very temporary stopover 
and, perhaps, a convenient place to pick up one or two extra cats if 
none happened to take up residence on your stoop that week... But..  If 
wishes were horses then beggars would ride...


thank you all...
Bob


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   5. Re: Yogi's Passing (Amani Oakley)


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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:07:56 -0600
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Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing
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I am so sorry that he passed, but glad that he was in his bed, with 
you at his side.  Maybe he did not have long  but his time with you 
was a time filled with love.  Yes, it will take some time to get over 
this hurt, but as you say, you will be able to give another FELV cat 
love.  You will always have memories.


 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom 
I
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and 
most recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to 
keep treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
weeks to 14?? I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply 
was not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive 
all these months stroking him..? I had actually made arrangements to 
put him down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that 
morning.? I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...?? The little guy never really knew more than a 
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as? attempted to scratch 
me despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him 
alive There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started 
with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year 
lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put 
him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice 
and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home 
to another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. 
and to give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much 
a Kitten in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this 
time I will FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next 
little guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to? all of you for being there for FeLV cats...? You all are 
the one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have 
had


Bob
Warwick NY

Re: [Felvtalk] yogi

[bchapel]

Margo:
My best understanding leaves me with the impression that any erythropoietin 
analogs or substitutes would be of rather limited utility since they do not 
stimulate the formation of the progenitor cells needed to produce new rbcs.  If 
an anemia is " non regenerative(as yogis is said to be though I still haven't 
gotten my hands on the blood report thanks to the holidayss) all you ca do is 
keep putting " air in the tires( as it were) because the leak itself cannot be 
repaired. That is both expensive, uncomfortable for the animal and ultimately 
doomed to failure
That is why there is all the excitement about winstrol ( and anabolic 
sreroidsin general) as they often have the effect of stimulating formation of 
new progenitor cells and putting the RBC factory back on line  this while the 
doxy does its best to stop the virus from commandeeringthese new cells and 
infecting them with viral RNA this is my take from what Amani has written on 
the topic so helpfully
What I don't know is if EPO or Dario and the like are as helpful as   Say.   A 
transfusion( I'm figuring not as it's far less expensive than an infusion of 
packed RBCs because it depends on their being at least SOME progenitor cells 
left to provid the machinery to make some new rbcs
Really I wish this weren't so but I believe thi is the case

Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi...and decisions to be made...

[dlgegg]

Every time one of my animals has pased, that has been my concern, that they are 
comfortable and know I love them.  I am sure that they do know, but have no 
real way of communicating that to me.  


 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Ardy, Amani, Margo Sandy Lorrieeveryone who has responded..   
it's so nice to not feel completely alone in making these decisions and 
to profit from the experience and thoughts of others on this matter.  It 
worries me terribly how limited the choices become for saving a cats 
life when one is impeded by fiscal concerns.  I had many cats when 
younger and never had to decide between getting the furnace cleaned or 
buying still another medicine for my catethical dilemnas abound. 
Do I hold off on getting the brakes fixed and try still another vet and 
hope he willl prescribe what I need Blood work even bi weekly at 60+ 
dollars along with all the meds he's still getting etc.. Mind you I 
would blow it all for a
GUARANTEE of several more months with my little guy but I'm trying to 
put a price tag on hopeand this becomes VERY difficult when a 
formerly 7 pound energetic little cat stumbles into your lap every time 
you sit down... now 5 lbs 6 oz's, skin and bones with a pronounced 
Cataract over his right eye... a tiny little mew that was always his 
trademark and walks in circles for minutes trying to find the place that 
is most comfortable and warm ( You know how hard it is to pet a 
collectiion of skin and bones??  I try to focus on his head because 
it is the only part of him that feels normal..   The little guy 
appears to be having problems thermoregulating since his Body Mass is so 
reduced and he has a fever. so I now have a heating pad set up on 
the bed ( and of course the other bigger guy commandeers it as soon as 
yogi moves elsewhere for a moment..   He's still alive, still eating 
and using the litter box but it disturbs me no end that he might die 
while I am NOT there and I'm spending WAY more time around the house 
than I should and sleeping less than I should because I don't want him 
alone when he passes ( this...WAY more for me than for him as I suspect 
it is not one of his prime concerns  I just want to be sure that he 
goes comfortably.
BTW I am lucky enough to have a vet ( she is a " holistic vet" and 
does little allopathic practice) who consults at the shelter who will 
put him down if the time comes that this is necessary...in a comfortable 
" non medicinal smelling room over at the shelter where he has been seen 
before. It's not nearly as traumatic as going all the way to the 
other vet ( a half hour drive).
Thanks for all your well wishes.  I'm not a big believer in miracles 
but that doesn't stop me from hoping for one...

Bob in Warwick NY


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> Hi Robert,
> I'm so sorry it might be coming to the end for your little sweetie. 
> When I lost my Tigger, I could not decide what to do either. By the 
> time I was ready to call the vet to put him down, they were closed, 
> and their emergency answering service said they were all over an hour 
> away, so they were not available, and in the end - it ended up being 
> the best solution. We held Tigger and he felt comfortable with us. He 
> hated going to the vet and was afraid, and I did not like putting him 
> through it at this most critical time. He passed within a few minutes, 
> and was comfortable and not afraid with us talking to him, telling him 
> how much we loved him. Of course it was horrible for us, but in this 
> situation, it turned out to be better for him to be at home. But 
> whatever decision you make, it will be the best one because you have 
> done so much for your fur-babies, they love and appreciate you.
> Ardy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi...and decisions to be made...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy, Amani, Margo Sandy Lorrieeveryone who has responded..   
it's so nice to not feel completely alone in making these decisions and 
to profit from the experience and thoughts of others on this matter.  It 
worries me terribly how limited the choices become for saving a cats 
life when one is impeded by fiscal concerns.  I had many cats when 
younger and never had to decide between getting the furnace cleaned or 
buying still another medicine for my catethical dilemnas abound. 
Do I hold off on getting the brakes fixed and try still another vet and 
hope he willl prescribe what I need Blood work even bi weekly at 60+ 
dollars along with all the meds he's still getting etc.. Mind you I 
would blow it all for a
GUARANTEE of several more months with my little guy but I'm trying to 
put a price tag on hopeand this becomes VERY difficult when a 
formerly 7 pound energetic little cat stumbles into your lap every time 
you sit down... now 5 lbs 6 oz's, skin and bones with a pronounced 
Cataract over his right eye... a tiny little mew that was always his 
trademark and walks in circles for minutes trying to find the place that 
is most comfortable and warm ( You know how hard it is to pet a 
collectiion of skin and bones??  I try to focus on his head because 
it is the only part of him that feels normal..   The little guy 
appears to be having problems thermoregulating since his Body Mass is so 
reduced and he has a fever. so I now have a heating pad set up on 
the bed ( and of course the other bigger guy commandeers it as soon as 
yogi moves elsewhere for a moment..   He's still alive, still eating 
and using the litter box but it disturbs me no end that he might die 
while I am NOT there and I'm spending WAY more time around the house 
than I should and sleeping less than I should because I don't want him 
alone when he passes ( this...WAY more for me than for him as I suspect 
it is not one of his prime concerns  I just want to be sure that he 
goes comfortably.
BTW I am lucky enough to have a vet ( she is a " holistic vet" and 
does little allopathic practice) who consults at the shelter who will 
put him down if the time comes that this is necessary...in a comfortable 
" non medicinal smelling room over at the shelter where he has been seen 
before. It's not nearly as traumatic as going all the way to the 
other vet ( a half hour drive).
Thanks for all your well wishes.  I'm not a big believer in miracles 
but that doesn't stop me from hoping for one...


Bob in Warwick NY


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Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:06:41 -0600
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
Vol 32, Issue 58

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Hi Robert,
I'm so sorry it might be coming to the end for your little sweetie. 
When I lost my Tigger, I could not decide what to do either. By the 
time I was ready to call the vet to put him down, they were closed, 
and their emergency answering service said they were all over an hour 
away, so they were not available, and in the end - it ended up being 
the best solution. We held Tigger and he felt comfortable with us. He 
hated going to the vet and was afraid, and I did not like putting him 
through it at this most critical time. He passed within a few minutes, 
and was comfortable and not afraid with us talking to him, telling him 
how much we loved him. Of course it was horrible for us, but in this 
situation, it turned out to be better for him to be at home. But 
whatever decision you make, it will be the best one because you have 
done so much for your fur-babies, they love and appreciate you.

Ardy


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Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
in a FeLV catGot a call on