Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-26 Thread B Harder 
Quotable:
I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
with Fossil.
 On Jul 25, 2014 6:18 PM, "Joe Prostko"  wrote:

> Congratulations!   I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
> to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
> Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
> I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
> with Fossil.
>
> The occasion of the seven year anniversary reminds me of something
> I've been meaning to ask on the list.  It has been asked in the past
> according to my check of the archives, but is there any chance you
> would be willing to go on Floss Weekly and talk about Fossil?  I know
> that you were on there to talk about SQLite quite some time ago, but I
> would love for there to be a show featuring Fossil.  I know that
> Randal's current way for projects to get on the show is that he will
> only schedule a time if the project leader(s) contacts him directly.
> In any case, I hope you will consider going on the show (alone or with
> another core committer), as it would be a great way to let more people
> know about the awesomeness that is Fossil.
>
> - joe
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> > The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code
> was
> > this past Monday.  Time flies.
> >
> > The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac (http://www.cvstrac.org/)
> > which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system built atop CVS.  CVSTrac
> became
> > the inspiration for Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which
> is a
> > similar tool for SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which
> is
> > still in active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features
> > needed in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with
> CVS+CVSTrac,
> > or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration
> management
> > system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of Fossil for a
> year
> > or more prior to the first self-commit on 2007-07-21, but none of those
> > early prototypes survive.
> >
> > Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between the
> > CVSTrac and Fossil source codes.  There is a clear genetic relationship
> > between the two systems.
> >
> > Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of
> SQLite.
> > (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The SQLite
> > documentation sources (
> http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01)
> > were split off from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a
> few
> > months after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code
> did
> > not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite
> > version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The
> move
> > from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.
> >
> > CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
> > knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known
> user
> > of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.)
> Fossil
> > will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a
> great
> > deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.
> >
> > --
> > D. Richard Hipp
> > [email protected]
> >
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Joe Prostko 
Congratulations!   I must say that Fossil is the best thing to happen
to my development workflow this year, as I am pretty sure that using
Git has resulted in the premature death of too many of my brain cells.
I'm glad to be able to replace Git in every place that I possibly can
with Fossil.

The occasion of the seven year anniversary reminds me of something
I've been meaning to ask on the list.  It has been asked in the past
according to my check of the archives, but is there any chance you
would be willing to go on Floss Weekly and talk about Fossil?  I know
that you were on there to talk about SQLite quite some time ago, but I
would love for there to be a show featuring Fossil.  I know that
Randal's current way for projects to get on the show is that he will
only schedule a time if the project leader(s) contacts him directly.
In any case, I hope you will consider going on the show (alone or with
another core committer), as it would be a great way to let more people
know about the awesomeness that is Fossil.

- joe

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code was
> this past Monday.  Time flies.
>
> The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac (http://www.cvstrac.org/)
> which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system built atop CVS.  CVSTrac became
> the inspiration for Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a
> similar tool for SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is
> still in active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features
> needed in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac,
> or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration management
> system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of Fossil for a year
> or more prior to the first self-commit on 2007-07-21, but none of those
> early prototypes survive.
>
> Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between the
> CVSTrac and Fossil source codes.  There is a clear genetic relationship
> between the two systems.
>
> Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of SQLite.
> (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The SQLite
> documentation sources (http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01)
> were split off from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few
> months after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did
> not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite
> version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The move
> from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.
>
> CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
> knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known user
> of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.) Fossil
> will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a great
> deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.
>
> --
> D. Richard Hipp
> [email protected]
>
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Ron W 
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Michai Ramakers 
wrote:

> (one
> CVSTrac thing which I still miss in some more fancypants
> issue-trackers is the concept of ticket-groups).


You could probably do that in Fossil by adding additional ticket fields and
customizing the TH1 ticket handling code.

Shortly after I discovered Fossil, I customized the ticket handling to work
with our process flow. I posted an early version of that to this list -
about 2.5 years ago.
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Michai Ramakers 
On 25 July 2014 17:57, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code was
> this past Monday.  Time flies.
>
> The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac (http://www.cvstrac.org/)
> which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system built atop CVS.
> ...

Congratulations!
Also thx to the developers and community for great ideas, support and
generally nice ML-atmosphere.

FWIW, just dug up some old mails and timelines of my own stuff.

First mention of 'fossil' here was in a mail to a friend who was
working together with me on a project; we were both looking for a
replacement for CVS + CVSTrac, which was also really, really nice (one
CVSTrac thing which I still miss in some more fancypants
issue-trackers is the concept of ticket-groups).

That mail was from 2011-04-02. My first post on this list was from
2011-05-01, and at 2011-07-03 I had moved my humble set of projects
from CVS to Fossil; haven't touched CVS since, except to pull in
software that happens to be in a CVS repo.

(Apart from Fossil and CVS, I used RCS by choice, SourceGear Vault,
PVCS Version Manager, M$ TFS (iirc) and Git because of employer's
infrastructure, and Bazaar "because I needed that source".)

Michai
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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Philip Bennefall 
I only discovered Fossil about 3 months ago, but I'm already very 
comfortable using it and have switched all my projects to it. I came 
from SVN and haven't looked back once.


Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall
On 7/25/2014 5:57 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code 
was this past Monday.  Time flies.


The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac 
(http://www.cvstrac.org/) which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system 
built atop CVS. CVSTrac became the inspiration for Trac 
(http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a similar tool for 
SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is still in 
active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features needed 
in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac, 
or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration 
management system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of 
Fossil for a year or more prior to the first self-commit on 
2007-07-21, but none of those early prototypes survive.


Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between 
the CVSTrac and Fossil source codes. There is a clear genetic 
relationship between the two systems.


Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of 
SQLite.  (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The 
SQLite documentation sources 
(http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01) were split off 
from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few months 
after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did 
not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite 
version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The 
move from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.


CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years. To my 
knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known 
user of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 
2013.) Fossil will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and 
Fossil has a great deal more momentum and a much larger user base than 
CVSTrac ever had.


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D. Richard Hipp
[email protected] 


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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman 

Happy Birthday to Fossil and congratulations to Richard!

Miles Fidelman

Richard Hipp wrote:
The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code 
was this past Monday.  Time flies.


The logical predecessor of Fossil was CVSTrac 
(http://www.cvstrac.org/) which was a wiki and trouble-ticket system 
built atop CVS. CVSTrac became the inspiration for Trac 
(http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/CvsTrac) which is a similar tool for 
SVN that became far more popular than CVSTrac and which is still in 
active use.  Fossil was originally created to provide features needed 
in SQLite development, features that I couldn't get with CVS+CVSTrac, 
or with Monotone or Git or Mercurial or any other configuration 
management system available at the time.  I worked on prototypes of 
Fossil for a year or more prior to the first self-commit on 
2007-07-21, but none of those early prototypes survive.


Code archeologists will be able to find a lot of commonality between 
the CVSTrac and Fossil source codes. There is a clear genetic 
relationship between the two systems.


Fossil was created for the purpose of aiding in the development of 
SQLite.  (Other uses for Fossil, though welcomed, are secondary.)  The 
SQLite documentation sources 
(http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/timeline?a=2000-01-01) were split off 
from the SQLite source tree in CVS on 2007-11-12, just a few months 
after Fossil began self-hosting.  But the core SQLite source code did 
not move to Fossil until 2009-08-11, just after the release of SQLite 
version 3.6.17, over two years after Fossil became self-hosting.  The 
move from CVS to Fossil has proven to be a boon for SQLite development.


CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years. To my 
knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known 
user of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 
2013.) Fossil will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and 
Fossil has a great deal more momentum and a much larger user base than 
CVSTrac ever had.


--
D. Richard Hipp
[email protected] 


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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Gour 
Richard Hipp  writes:

> The seventh anniversary of the first self-commit of Fossil source code was
> this past Monday.  Time flies.

Congratulations, Richard!!

The (D)VCS world would be much poorer without existance of Fossil: ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: [fossil-users] Fossil is now 7 years old

2014-07-25 Thread Stephan Beal 
Congratulations on an undisputably successful project :)

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> CVSTrac was in active use by SQLite for a little over 7 years.  To my
> knowledge, nobody uses CVSTrac any more.  (OpenSSL was the last known user
> of CVSTrac and they switched over to Git at the beginning of 2013.) Fossil
> will soon overtake CVSTrac in terms of years of use, and Fossil has a great
> deal more momentum and a much larger user base than CVSTrac ever had.
>

With libfossil slowly taking shape, i think there's still a lot more
momentum to build...

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