Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Alexander Sabourenkov
Hi. Interesting - Someone else mentioned the same thing. The amr(4) manpage doesn't seem to be updated to mention the latest cards though. I did notice the driver hasn't been really updated in a while either. Wouldn't this cause a problem with identifying the newer cards? The

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Jaime Bozza
Interesting - Someone else mentioned the same thing. The amr(4) manpage doesn't seem to be updated to mention the latest cards though. I did notice the driver hasn't been really updated in a while either. Wouldn't this cause a problem with identifying the newer cards? The

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-13 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
One thing I would like to see is a list of favoured non-raid multiport cards that are not dumb. We have a server running a rocket RAID controller (largely to get 8 ports of SATA). It doesn't do hot swap, it doesn't do SMART and I'm beginning to believe it might occasionally corrupt sectors

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Feb-12 16:07:03 +1030, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regularly ship systems overseas where the power fails frequently. The inability to boot because one disk got hosed is Bad News (tm). A decent UPS can help here. It depends on your exact situation, I was just pointing out

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-12 Thread Artem Kuchin
On 2007-Feb-12 16:07:03 +1030, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regularly ship systems overseas where the power fails frequently. The inability to boot because one disk got hosed is Bad News (tm). A decent UPS can help here. No, i can't. I have seen UPS (even APC) fail in some

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-12 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 03:25:57PM -0600, Jaime Bozza wrote: I want to second the recommendation for Areca controllers. We have two systems - The first is using an 1160 (16-port PCI-x) with 16 400GB drives, the 2nd is using the newer 1261ML card (16 port PCI Express, mini SAS connectors) with

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-12 Thread Jaime Bozza
Jaime, can you expand a bit about what sort-of motherboard you installed the 1261ML in? I've yet to find any mainstream motherboards which have a PCIe x8 slot. Most have x1, some have x4, and many have x16. I've seen one Supermicro board which has a x8 slot but is only wired for x4 (has 4

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-12 Thread Geoffrey Giesemann
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 12:11:42PM +0300, Artem Kuchin wrote: On 2007-Feb-12 16:07:03 +1030, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regularly ship systems overseas where the power fails frequently. The inability to boot because one disk got hosed is Bad News (tm). A decent UPS can

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-11 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hello! On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 06:15:53PM +0300, Artem Kuchin wrote: Under gmirror OS must issue two commands to write to disks and some commands to check/set mark that mirrored data is intact. Under hardware RAID OS issue sonly one command to write and no checking command, since raid

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-11 Thread hg
In mpc.lists.freebsd.stable, you wrote: : For modern CPUs this extra work is measurably neglegible. With all of the interrupt activity it seems counterintuitive that it would be negligible in that the processor is incurring many extra cache faults to service the controller.

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-11 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Monday 12 February 2007 00:34, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: One guy that I happen to know, who was responsible for the database backend servers of Germany's biggest web mail provider at the time, ran extensive benchmarks. Result: for RAID 1, RAID 0 and RAID 1+0 there is no difference in

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-11 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hi, all! On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:40:18AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 00:34, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: One guy that I happen to know, who was responsible for the database backend servers of Germany's biggest web mail provider at the time, ran extensive

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-11 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Monday 12 February 2007 10:21, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: Software RAID won't help you if your primary disk gets an error in, say, the second stage loader. I don't really buy this booting arguement. What's the failure scenario here? If the system is up and running, it will just keep

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Artem Kuchin
hi! I am the original poster of this thread. I have read many interesting reply during these two days. However, as i said in the original message due to certification issues i am pretty limited to INTEL controllers and i have not seen a single relevant reply about them. This is interesting.

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Alexander Sabourenkov
Artem Kuchin wrote: hi! I am the original poster of this thread. I have read many interesting reply during these two days. However, as i said in the original message due to certification issues i am pretty limited to INTEL controllers and i have not seen a single relevant reply about them.

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Jaime Bozza
Hardware RAID1 buys you nothing in perfomance and reliability for a prolonged headache with drivers, bios insanity and monitoring+control tools. Intel does seem to have a few hardware-based RAID controllers here: http://www.intel.com/products/server/raid/ I don't see any driver or support

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Alexander Sabourenkov
Jaime Bozza wrote: Hardware RAID1 buys you nothing in perfomance and reliability for a prolonged headache with drivers, bios insanity and monitoring+control tools. Intel does seem to have a few hardware-based RAID controllers here: http://www.intel.com/products/server/raid/ I don't see any

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Clayton Milos
- Original Message - From: Artem Kuchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd? Alexander Sabourenkov wrote: Artem Kuchin wrote: hi! I am the original

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Friday 09 February 2007 09:15, Artem Kuchin wrote: Alexander Sabourenkov wrote: Artem Kuchin wrote: hi! I am the original poster of this thread. I have read many interesting reply during these two days. However, as i said in the original message due to certification issues i am

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-09 Thread Mike Andrews
Josh Paetzel wrote: What hardware RAID buys you over gmirror is that you can boot from it. [snip] From a raw speed perspective on an unloaded CPU a 3.0ghz processor is probably just as fast or faster than the embedded processor on a RAID card running at a few hundred mhz. Sure, once you

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Stefan Lambrev
Hello, Artem Kuchin wrote: Hello! I need a raid controller for FBSD 6.2 which has the following options 1) Full SATA-II support 2) Good rperfomance (over 50MB read, over 30 write) in mirror mode 3) No weird problems with freebSD (like with SRCS16) 4) Utility to monitor status of raids

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Clayton Milos
Hello, Artem Kuchin wrote: Hello! I need a raid controller for FBSD 6.2 which has the following options 1) Full SATA-II support 2) Good rperfomance (over 50MB read, over 30 write) in mirror mode 3) No weird problems with freebSD (like with SRCS16) 4) Utility to monitor status of raids

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Rink Springer
Hi, On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:42:39PM +0300, Artem Kuchin wrote: I need a raid controller for FBSD 6.2 which has the following options I can highly recommend the Areca family of SATA-II controllers. I have a ARC-1110 (4 poort RAID controller) with 4x 320GB Western Digital SATA-II drives

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Clayton Milos
Hi, On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:42:39PM +0300, Artem Kuchin wrote: I need a raid controller for FBSD 6.2 which has the following options I can highly recommend the Areca family of SATA-II controllers. I have a ARC-1110 (4 poort RAID controller) with 4x 320GB Western Digital SATA-II drives

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Alexey Karagodov
http://www.3ware.com/ 2007/2/8, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:47:10PM +0200, Clayton Milos wrote: I can highly recommend the Areca family of SATA-II controllers. I have a ARC-1110 (4 poort RAID controller) with 4x 320GB Western Digital SATA-II drives

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thursday 08 February 2007 08:52 am, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:47:10PM +0200, Clayton Milos wrote: I can highly recommend the Areca family of SATA-II controllers. I have a ARC-1110 (4 poort RAID controller) with 4x 320GB Western Digital SATA-II drives attached to

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Jaime Bozza
They kick ass is what they are like. :) I had a 3U box with a 12 port controller sitting next to my desk for a few weeks and my only goal was to confuse/break the 3Ware controller. No amount of power plug pulling, pulling multiple drives, quickly re-arranging drives could confuse the

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Jaime Bozza
I want to second the recommendation for Areca controllers. We have two systems - The first is using an 1160 (16-port PCI-x) with 16 400GB drives, the 2nd is using the newer 1261ML card (16 port PCI Express, mini SAS connectors) with 16 500GB drives. Comments below: 1) Do these controllers, from

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Mike Andrews
Jaime Bozza wrote: Everyone has their reasons - I liked the RAID 6 feature, plus the OOB management of Areca, plus my history with 3ware wasn't good. :( For what it's worth, 3Ware's latest PCI-E cards (9650 series) now support RAID 6. The updated twa driver that supports them hasn't yet

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 02:51:58PM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote: On Thursday 08 February 2007 02:17 pm, Mike Andrews wrote: Jaime Bozza wrote: Everyone has their reasons - I liked the RAID 6 feature, plus the OOB management of Areca, plus my history with 3ware wasn't good. :( For what

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Geoffrey Giesemann
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 04:34:57PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote: -They added a moving part (2-wire fan, no tach) to a mission-critical part. That seems real stupid. After the bearings die in 2-3 years, what happens to your card? Does it melt or just start acting weird? If the

RE: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Jaime Bozza
For what it's worth, 3Ware's latest PCI-E cards (9650 series) now support RAID 6. The updated twa driver that supports them hasn't yet been merged into FreeBSD (see kern/106488 which I filed 2 months ago) but you can download either the source or the binary for it from 3Ware that works just

Re: What is a good choice of sata-ii raid controller for freebsd?

2007-02-08 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Geoffrey Giesemann wrote: On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 04:34:57PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote: -They added a moving part (2-wire fan, no tach) to a mission-critical part. That seems real stupid. After the bearings die in 2-3 years, what happens to your card? Does it melt