On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Dan,
It's up to each project to get their releases correct - Yes. But not
everyone hangs out on the d...@maven or gene...@incubator. Hence the request
to broadcast.
I really don't understand the why? - No one is trying to mandate
Thanks Brett, I kept meaning to separate the maven project parts from
the common ones, and this is a good start.
--Brian (mobile)
On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote:
For unrelated reasons, I today split out the Apache-ness part of the
Maven release process
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
Actually, the vote was kind of withdrawn to update it to new descriptors.
Thus, its not available yet. In anycase, no need to spam all the PMCs,
especially those not using Maven. Just keep an eye on the annou...@maven
Why not sent it through bo...@? All Chairs are subscribed to that
list, several board members have in the past raised concerns about the
releases created using maven. This would unequivocally show that maven
has delivered a working solution, and notify all PMC chairs of the
general Apache
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 06:18, Niall Pemberton
niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
It is not about making podlings thoughtlessly
For unrelated reasons, I today split out the Apache-ness part of the Maven
release process (still syncing):
http://maven.apache.org/developers/release/apache-release.html
It could still use more work, but that's all I have time for right now if
someone wants to patch it (eg, to explain the
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV
Hi,
Please update the message subject if you're no longer discussing the
original topic of the thread.
I have no idea what Maven release practices have to do with the
Subversion acceptance vote.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
It is not about making podlings thoughtlessly follow checklists.
It is about TEACHING them what are the important aspects of
.
In the second case, SVN should work without DAV protocol, which isn’t
acceptable by majority of people.
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 14:21, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@sun.com wrote:
On Nov 6, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
But with all that said, how about we do this: we'll do a 1.6.7 release
from the 1.6.x branch after we
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Igor Burilo igor.bur...@polarion.org wrote:
Mark Phippard-3 wrote:
I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
compatible code. Basically, you just need to build
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Igor Burilo igor.bur...@polarion.org
wrote:
isn’t guaranteed (you and Michael Pilato are sceptic regarding Serf). Nobody
Hang on - let's be clear here: ra_serf passes *all* of the Subversion
regression tests just fine and has done
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 07:06, Niall Pemberton
niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...
It already has the Apache License (v2), and it uses a NOTICE file (per
the license), and our packaging is tighter/stronger than typical
Apache
What is happening in some Java projects, via Maven's release plugin,
is disturbing since the source release only exist in the subversion
repository
This problem has been solved and is no longer valid. Any
repetition of the old news is total fud. We have for many months now
been providing
Brian,
Do you mind sending an email to pmcs AT apache.org to inform them that they should be using this new version of Apache
pom? And any other additional instructions needed to enable this feature to work.
thanks,
dims
On 11/11/2009 03:51 PM, Brian Fox wrote:
What is happening in some
On Wed November 11 2009 4:52:23 pm Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Brian,
Do you mind sending an email to pmcs AT apache.org to inform them that they
should be using this new version of Apache pom? And any other additional
instructions needed to enable this feature to work.
Why? It's up to each
Dan,
It's up to each project to get their releases correct - Yes. But not everyone hangs out on the d...@maven or
gene...@incubator. Hence the request to broadcast.
I really don't understand the why? - No one is trying to mandate using a specific pom across all PMC(s). Just the fact
that
Actually, the vote was kind of withdrawn to update it to new descriptors.
Thus, its not available yet. In anycase, no need to spam all the PMCs,
especially those not using Maven. Just keep an eye on the annou...@maven
list. When available, it will be announced there.
Dan
On Wed
I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever
-- dims
On 11/11/2009 05:43 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
Actually, the vote was kind of withdrawn to update it to new descriptors.
Thus, its not available yet. In anycase, no need to spam all the PMCs,
especially those not using
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever
I think it's worth noting, I've had several projects asking for it to
be available so they can use it and ditch their homebrew solutions.
When it's
Thanks Brian!
On 11/11/2009 06:22 PM, Brian Fox wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Davanum Srinivasdava...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is a pretty important issue worth spamming but whatever
I think it's worth noting, I've had several projects asking for it to
be available so they
Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble
following along with all the noise.
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:48, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble
following along with all the noise.
At the root, it is a discussion about LGPL dependencies in an incoming podling.
Neon is LGPL. Serf is
On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:48, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Is this topic really appropriate for incubator general? I'm having trouble
following along with all the noise.
At the root, it is a discussion about LGPL
Craig L Russell wrote on Mon, 9 Nov 2009 at 14:12 -0800:
Hi Greg,
I'm afraid that you have totally mistranslated my message and I have no idea
why.
I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I'm trying to be reasonable.
I don't perceive your reaction as positive.
I'm not going to continue
Greg Stein wrote:
Sponsors
* Champion: Greg Stein
Cool
* Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
Rall
Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
It puts certain committers above others, an inequitable situation.
If the PPMC
Greg Stein wrote:
The Subversion project would like to join the Apache Software
Foundation to remove the overhead of having to run its own
corporation. The Subversion project is already run quite like an
Apache project, and already counts a number of ASF Members amongst
its committers.
Greg Stein wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
I'm a little confused. I'm reading a really long rant here, but I expect
if you look at what nearly all mentors do in their respective podlings,
this is exactly what they
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com
wrote:
To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
necessary for graduation - not the
Joe Schaefer wrote:
From: Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com
Let me put it another way: if the IPMC accepts a proposal with one
mentor, then I'm fine with that one mentor acting on behalf of the
IPMC without the need to constantly go back to the IPMC for approval.
-- justin
For
Greg Stein wrote:
Yup. And I'll note that that limbo you describe has been an issue
with the Board for a long while now. That is why the Board instructed
the IPMC to request all podlings to list two items in their reports:
1) when did you arrive?
2) what is left?
Specifically to focus
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
Would a waiver be possible for Diversity (large project dominated by 1
or 2 vendors)? For the minimum required binding votes (small
communities of 2 committers)?
Such things have been requested, and granted in the past, based on the
demonstrated ability of the project
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
...Let me put it another way: if the IPMC accepts a proposal with one
mentor, then I'm fine with that one mentor acting on behalf of the
IPMC without the need to constantly go back to the IPMC for approval
I see
and it's good that you work on it now,
because licensing issues (Neon license incompatibility) are very important
for us. Hope that you will manage to do it if for SVN 1.7.
Thanks, Igor
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
...I am seeking a
waiver of the make a release requirement. And you can simply wait
for me to send that, rather than continuing to speculate about whether
I'm going to rely on seniority or on experience
I like that - at
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
Sponsors
* Champion: Greg Stein
Cool
* Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
Rall
Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project
Igor Burilo wrote:
C. Michael Pilato wrote:
Our goal is to bring our Serf integration up to the quality (in terms of
both user experience and proper API adherence) of our Neon one so that
Serf
can safely become the new default DAV RA implementation, yes. It's mostly
there, but still
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
...
I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently ship
Neon in a separate tarball from Subversion's core code for the
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
...
I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:23, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
...
* Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
Rall
Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
It puts certain committers above others, an inequitable
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 07:06, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
Sponsors
* Champion: Greg Stein
Cool
* Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
Rall
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:23 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
Sponsors
* Champion: Greg Stein
Cool
* Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel
Rall
Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
The binaries doesn't matter, Apache releases source code, licensed under
Apache license v2.0. And we only distribute certain licensed dependencies.
As Greg said, we need to provide solutions that does not force
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
I'm a little confused. I'm reading a really long rant here, but I expect
if you look at what
The binaries doesn't matter, Apache releases source code, licensed under
Apache license v2.0. And we only distribute certain licensed dependencies.
As Greg said, we need to provide solutions that does not force downstream
users into the (L)GPL world. So, a project that requires these dependencies
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
Yup. And I'll note that that limbo you describe has been an issue
with the Board for a long while now. That is why the Board instructed
the IPMC to request all podlings to list two items in their
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
...
I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently ship
Neon in a
nice technology is blocked by legal tricks. So the perfect solution will be
to replace Neon by Serf, because it will resolve a lot of issues described
above with SVN acceptance.
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On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Mark Phippard wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
...
I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
use an education
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING
podlings
how to work here at Apache.
I'm a little confused. I'm reading a
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
to.
That would a completely new philosophy for an Apache project,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:16, Blair Zajac bl...@orcaware.com wrote:
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:59, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net wrote:
...
I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I could
use an education
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we plan
to.
That
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:23, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
...
And that is exactly what I'd like to do. But when the Incubator
*imposes* requirements of release that does not meet the project's own
quality guidelines, for an
Mark Phippard wrote:
I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB
and libintl support. Of the three, the only thing an Eclipse
Mark Phippard wrote:
As an SVN committer, I can say that this is not something that is of
concern to me (and I dare say I probably speak for all or at least
most of the other committers when I say that).
Thanks for that reassurance...
Finally, I will also add that we have had our SVN Corp
William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
Mark Phippard wrote:
I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
compatible code. Basically, you just need to build without Neon, BDB
and libintl support. Of the
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:52 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Mark Phippard wrote:
I gave counsel to the Eclipse Foundation and explained that they could
provide a fully functioning JavaHL library to users with only EPL
compatible code. Basically, you just need to build
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
We're making a 1.6.7 release in the next 2-3 weeks, as I stated
before. The Incubator can see how that works (I also gave pointers to
1.6.6).
+1 Since Subversion release procedures already meet most Apache
policies,
Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:48, William A. Rowe, Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
wrote:
Quite frankly, all svncorp releases could, with reasonable documentation
[read: mailing list archives, CLA's and code grant] be licensed as ASF
releases under the AL 2.0, irrespective of their
- Original Message
From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:08:40 AM
Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
[PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Greg wrote:
Look at the context
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:02, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
We're making a 1.6.7 release in the next 2-3 weeks, as I stated
before. The Incubator can see how that works (I also gave pointers to
1.6.6).
I have no idea why the term Board even comes up in your response.
What's that got to do with my problems with the IPMC attempting to
impose make-work on the svn podling?
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:03, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Greg Stein wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at
Branko Čibej wrote:
Wait a minute. Are you implying that the project *should* release
binaries? Wouldn't such a requirement apply to, say, APR, to keep this
close to home?
s/should/may/
Greg pointed out I make win32 binaries and these are not mandated, I do so
only because I trusted that
Mark Phippard wrote:
I do not believe the project wants to be in the business of providing
binaries and we have an existing ecosystem of people that are
providing them successfully.
As long as non-committer artifacts aren't hosted here, that is no trouble.
If nobody on SVN wants to create
Joe Schaefer wrote:
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From: William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:08:40 AM
Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
[PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Greg wrote
Greg Stein wrote:
I have no idea why the term Board even comes up in your response.
What's that got to do with my problems with the IPMC attempting to
impose make-work on the svn podling?
Because when you post to a broad-list such as general@, you are
communicating to all incubating podlings
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever --
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 14:23, Garrett Rooney
roo...@electricjellyfish.net wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, some documentation needs to be brought in sync.
See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
I'm nitpicking, but even there we only ask the podlings to
demonstrate ability to create
- Original Message
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:25:40 PM
Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
[PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM
(was:
[PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
Unfortunately, some documentation needs to be brought in sync.
See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
I'm nitpicking, but even there we only ask the podlings to
demonstrate
On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all.
The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do
we plan
to.
That
- Original Message
From: Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:58:28 PM
Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
[PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote
poll gene...@incubator
for an opinion, running the idea by a few of the more vocal participants
It was right here on gene...@incubator. Part of the [PROPOSAL][VOTE]
Subversion thread.
...
What I'm looking to see personally is the execution of votes and signature
exchange happening on an apache
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To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 2:54:28 PM
Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 17:35, Joe Schaefer wrote
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann
jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato cmpil...@collab.net
wrote:
Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The
Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever --
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
PS: +1 to start incubation obviously. The record is 2 weeks set for
MerlinDeveloper back in 2003...you have 9 days left to try and beat it
Hey, you
Leo Simons wrote:
I have no idea what might be going on in your head, but from where I
sit, it seems like you might be overreacting just a _bit_ to a
tongue-in-cheek e-mail post script. Have some green tea.
There were also some suggestions about us making a release for the sake
of making a
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
So what are you teaching with e-mails like this, Greg?
When you disagree with someone, SHOUT a bit and write a long rant?
Or
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
...
The Incubator PMC is here to TEACH podlings. Stop and think before
attempting to apply rules and procedures.
+1.
The
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:14, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
how to work here at Apache.
So what are you teaching with e-mails like this, Greg?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole.
Nope... The whole IPMC has been tasked with oversight. The mentors are
proxies for the whole IPMC.
Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
to ensure they have the correct licensing headers, notices and other
bits in place before
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:27, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
to
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Martijn Dashorst
martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com
wrote:
To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole.
Nope... The
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
to ensure they have the correct licensing headers, notices
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole. The IPMC as a
whole has only two roles: approving a proposal and recommending
graduation
Also,
Hi Greg,
I am not on either side of the debate here, but Martijn is correct in
pointing that the formal standard was applied to *all* podlings to
date. There's more than a few projects in the ASF that were originally
developed in the open, with strong communities. And in those cases
that
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:11, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org wrote:
Hi Greg,
I am not on either side of the debate here, but Martijn is correct in
pointing that the formal standard was applied to *all* podlings to date.
I understand, and will simply ask was that the right thing to do?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
Also, to be clear, as an IPMC member I spend quite a bit of time with
projects where I am not a mentor, casting (binding) votes on things
like their releases. I will continue to do that, inline with procedure
and policy and
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
This is where I think the Incubator has gone awry: the claim that you
are an IPMC member implies that you have merit on a project (in the
form of a binding vote) is false.
Not sure if I am looking at the same
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote:
...I'm mildly uncomfortable with mentors who aren't actually involved in
the project telling a community what to do - but I accept that as a
necessity of the Incubation process. However, I'm much more
uncomfortable
On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I mean, really... how many other projects that are 9.5 years old(*) do
we expect to see arriving here? And of those, how many *started* with
the ideas and precepts of the Apache Software Foundation? I suspect it
will be zero, so wasting a lot of
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
OTOH, podlings that don't have 3 active mentors can't get 3 binding
votes internally, so IPMC members have to jump in sometimes. Thanks to
those of us who do!
I view the proposal accepting the projects with the
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:53, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org wrote:
On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I mean, really... how many other projects that are 9.5 years old(*) do
we expect to see arriving here? And of those, how many *started* with
the ideas and precepts of the
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Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bertrand
in context:
http://old.nabble.com/-PROPOSAL--VOTE--Subversion-tp26203843p26269837.html
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