Hi,
I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to
just mount the /usr partition.
I've found
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr
which didn't work for me. So, I've modified it, see
On Tue 27 Mar 2012 08:05:42 AM IST, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 26/03/12 15:54, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
Hi,
I upgraded to gentoo-sources 3.3, but it seems there's either a bug or
feature in the kernel. ALSA doesn't seem to forward line-in input to the
output, while the same happens with
Hello,
I'm using cvlc for streaming television data from /dev/video0 (on a x64 dual
xeon system with 16GB RAM). I'm using a Hauppauge HVR 1900 with the unstable
branche and self-build 3.2.11 kernel. The device /dev/video0 is created and if
I run cat /dev/video0 x.mpg the stream of the video
On Mon, March 19, 2012 1:31 am, Pandu Poluan wrote:
When I started administering remote servers, Citrix's XenServer is Good
Enough⢠to deploy in production, so now it's the first thing I install
on a
virgin box, even if said virgin box will host only one VM.
This provides me with a usable
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking for simple method to create a simple
initramfs to just mount the /usr partition.
I've found
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr
If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The
I've been working with Gentoo Prefix/Portage on a Mac Powerbook G4 for the
past few weeks, and other than a few minor glitches easily rectified, I'm
extremely happy with the way it works and works well.
I do have a few minor questions concerning the appearance of updates to
ebuilds, as well as
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking for simple method to create a simple
initramfs to just mount the /usr partition.
I've found
Hello, Gentoo.
I've been thinking about the problem of the conflation of every
executable into /usr. If /usr isn't on /, the system can't boot without
special preperations. Nothing new here.
The method usually discussed is to copy the booting software into an
initramfs on a partition other
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:26:12 -0400
Daniel Ibn Zayd daniel.ibnz...@inquisitor.com wrote:
I've been working with Gentoo Prefix/Portage on a Mac Powerbook G4
for the past few weeks, and other than a few minor glitches easily
rectified, I'm extremely happy with the way it works and works well.
Daniel Ibn Zayd writes:
1) I installed portage according to the bootstrap instructions, setting
binutils-apple to version 3.2 (now 3.2.6) according to my version of
XCode. Nonetheless, doing a world update pretend run always gives me
this:
Code:
[ebuild NS]
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Gentoo.
I've been thinking about the problem of the conflation of every
executable into /usr. If /usr isn't on /, the system can't boot without
special preperations. Nothing new here.
The method usually discussed is
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM
My question: what, technically, prevents me from copying the booting
software instead to /sbin and booting the system that way?
Nothing; in fact, this was the general solution to the problem of something
else in
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if
the you can just use $x tools work on stable. I've got three
previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now
because of this udev+/usr nonsense. I
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
[snip]
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to realize
that the idea of tiny partition that contains just what I need to boot and
mount /usr is becoming not so tiny anymore. The distinction
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM
My question: what, technically, prevents me from copying the booting
software instead to /sbin and booting the system that way?
Nothing; in
If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default
installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an
initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are.
I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed
instructions; for your
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
SNIP
There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you can ensure that any
hard-coded paths to those binaries are updated properly.
Surely this is the same,
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:23, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
Hi. I upgraded genkernel and openrc to see what would happen with the
initrd mounting /usr -- since I use an initrd anyway.
Well, it mounts OK, but when it comes time to do the e2fsck, that fails
because its mounted. Is there a
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to
realize that the idea of tiny partition that contains just what I
need to boot and mount /usr is becoming not so tiny anymore. The
distinction between what is boot
Joseph syscon780 at gmail.com writes:
I need this application so I installed one via layman paddymac hylafax+
however the init script did wasn't install.
How to write the init script for this hylafax+?
As way pointed out, you will most like become the maintainer so:
Here are a few links
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote:
If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if
the you can just use $x tools work on stable. I've got three
previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:27 AM
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM
My question: what, technically, prevents me from copying
Mike Edenfield wrote:
If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default
installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an
initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are.
I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:20:44 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
With the latest genkernel, my initrd mounts /usr, however the fsck is
never done because its mounted -- any solution for this?
ISTR this coming up recently and the solution being to run fsck from the
shutdown runlevel.
--
Neil
Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like
that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it
helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities
of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to learn
how to use
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote:
Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like
that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it
helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities
of
Michael Hampicke wrote:
Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like
that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it
helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities
of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
SNIP
I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel
because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do
this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years.
SNIP
I
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Mike Edenfield wrote:
I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable
udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an
initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the
systems I'm tried
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to
realize that the idea of tiny partition that contains just what I
need to boot and mount /usr is becoming not so tiny
On 03/27/12 14:47, James wrote:
Joseph syscon780 at gmail.com writes:
I need this application so I installed one via layman paddymac hylafax+
however the init script did wasn't install.
How to write the init script for this hylafax+?
As way pointed out, you will most like become the
Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Mike Edenfield wrote:
I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable
udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an
initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:55:37 +0200
c...@chrekh.se wrote:
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start
to realize that the idea of tiny partition that contains just
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote:
May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon.
Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of
the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less
manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy bothers you, Kubuntu will
be living
From: c...@chrekh.se [mailto:c...@chrekh.se]
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to
realize that the idea of tiny partition that contains just what I
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote:
May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon.
Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of
the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less
manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:09:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
copy old config
make oldconfig
make all make modules_install
copy kernel to /boot
make all modules_install install
does everything the last two lines do in a single command.
That to me seems a LOT easier and it also works very
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:30:41 -0500, Dale wrote:
The other way around. When I boot using the init thingy, if I login as
a user, dale in this case, I can not su to root. I think the error was
something like authentication failed or something to that effect.
I can reboot the exact same
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote:
May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon.
Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of
the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael Hampicke wrote:
SNIP
I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel
because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do
this with genkernel. I've been doing it
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either
switch to another distro
SNIP
Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you
don't know...
I don't understand why any of this /usr /udev
Michael Mol wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Sebastian Beßler wrote:
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote:
May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon.
Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of
the Ubuntu family anymore. That means
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64).
Fortunately a mount -a followed by
emerge -1 lvm2-previous version
has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked).
I subsequently found the bug below.
allan
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't
work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I
wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap.
Hey, it does
From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk]
Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a config
file that
lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build
automatically
pulls everything in for me. The only other thing I need is the init
script. So I
get
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other post.
Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another
distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just move
everything to / and
Hi, Mike.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 03:56:01PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: c...@chrekh.se [mailto:c...@chrekh.se]
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to copy
(not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - the exact
same programs, modulo noise - to have the SW in /sbin necessary to mount
/usr.
Your
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't
work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I
wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap.
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to
copy (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs -
the exact same programs, modulo noise - to have the SW in /sbin
necessary to mount /usr.
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it
doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either
switch to another distro
SNIP
Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you
don't know...
I don't understand
Mike Edenfield wrote:
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other
post.
Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another
distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no
idea how to fix it. None at all.
I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd?
There's no requirement to use it today, at least on
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to copy
(not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - the exact
same
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either
switch to another distro
SNIP
Just remember, with distros it's
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it
doesn't work like it should for me, there's no
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no
idea how to fix it. None at all.
I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd?
There's no requirement to
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to
copy (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs -
the exact
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was
to copy (not
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com
wrote: SNIP
Right now, my plan is to mask
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
SNIP
Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no
idea how to fix it. None at all.
I understand. My question
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Your package manager only knows about the copy in the original
location.
So? The same applies to a copy in the initramfs.
No it does not. the initramfs is built using the versions installed on
your system, and unloaded as soon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:35:44 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Why is nobody else on this thread willing to take up its main point, the
exact equivalence between the known, ugly, initramfs solution and the as
yet half-baked idea of putting the same binaries into /sbin?
Bewause everyone else
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:35:44 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was
to
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote:
That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly
isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall
and not format /home.
That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to reinstall just roll back
to the
Hello again, Alan.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:39:27AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hello, Neil.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote:
That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly
isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall
and not format /home.
That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com
wrote: SNIP
Right now, my
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
[snip]
Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no
longer a problem. Sorted.
And /var ??
But what about using LVM? People was all for me using
David W Noon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
InitRAMFS - boot expert sought:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
[snip]
Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no
longer a problem. Sorted.
And /var ??
But what about using LVM?
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 18:18 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote:
Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like
I love genkernel, it just makes life so much easier, you don't have
enter every command manually. And still keeps it the gentoo-way: you can
configure
Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages
somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr
and from the few seconds the error message is on the the screen I cant
see why as the parameters it prints look good, so I am looking for a
way to go back
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to
copy (not move) booting
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org wrote:
From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de]
Hi, Alan.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
That is precisely what the
On Tuesday 03/27/12 21:19:00 CST, Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking for simple method to create a simple
initramfs to just mount the /usr partition.
I've found
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