Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, July 17, 2012 5:36 am, Bill Kenworthy wrote: SNIPPED Virtualisation ? I am running qemu (windows, gentoo), vbox (windows, gentoo, fedora) and gxemul (ultrix) all 32 bit guests on 32 bit systems on either 32 or 64 bit hardware running gentoo - can you confirm you need 64bit for 64bit

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
There is no reason to use 32bit. Am 17.07.2012 04:28 schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com: So the same old query again I guess. What architecture should I use for a machine with 3GB RAM and a 64bit processor? I believe 64bit should be given serious consideration only if RAM is gt

[gentoo-user] Re: 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/07/12 05:22, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: So the same old query again I guess. What architecture should I use for a machine with 3GB RAM and a 64bit processor? I believe 64bit should be given serious consideration only if RAM is gt or = 4 GB, even there 32bit is allowable with PAE if I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jul 17, 2012 10:08 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: --- 8 IMO, it's worth the 'overhead' to run 64-bit, if only for the greater number of GPRs and other architectural improvements. There's honestly a lot of good stuff in x86-64 beyond the larger address space. The increased

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Leiking
64bit means bugs.?? But I use 64. 2012/7/17 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info: On Jul 17, 2012 10:08 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: --- 8 IMO, it's worth the 'overhead' to run 64-bit, if only for the greater number of GPRs and other architectural improvements. There's honestly a

Re: [gentoo-user] Running a USB graphics cards with Linux?

2012-07-17 Thread Kilian Zott
thats a strange comparison since usb is a serial bus vga is not even digital, so how can you talk about throughput? lol 2012/7/16 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi there, On 02/15/2012 09:14 PM, gk wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 07/17/2012 07:19 PM, Leiking wrote: 64bit means bugs.?? But I use 64. 2012/7/17 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info: On Jul 17, 2012 10:08 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: --- 8 IMO, it's worth the 'overhead' to run 64-bit, if only for the greater number of GPRs and other

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP This is all on an amd64 system. I don't know what it's like in 32-bit x86 on Gentoo, as I've never run that form of Gentoo; I let multilib handle things there. -- :wq Correct me if I'm wrong please but as I remember

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Running a USB graphics cards with Linux?

2012-07-17 Thread frares
Em , Kilian Zott kil...@diezotts.de escreveu: thats a strange comparison since usb is a serial busvga is not even digital, so how can you talk about throughput? lol 2012/7/16 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Running a USB graphics cards with Linux?

2012-07-17 Thread Kilian Zott
You could compare the frame rate, but an analog signal cant be compared to a digital signal ^^ if you resolute your analog voltage in 8 bit (256 steps each subpixel, so 24bit color depth) you get some offset on the transmission so you could not use an analog interface in order to transmit data

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP This is all on an amd64 system. I don't know what it's like in 32-bit x86 on Gentoo, as I've never run that form of Gentoo; I let multilib

Re: [gentoo-user] Running a USB graphics cards with Linux?

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Kilian Zott kil...@diezotts.de wrote: thats a strange comparison since usb is a serial bus vga is not even digital, so how can you talk about throughput? lol Information doesn't need to be digital. Terms like 'bandwidth' really do apply. VGA does place some

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Running a USB graphics cards with Linux?

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Kilian Zott kil...@diezotts.de wrote: You could compare the frame rate, but an analog signal cant be compared to a digital signal ^^ if you resolute your analog voltage in 8 bit (256 steps each subpixel, so 24bit color depth) you get some offset on the

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012, 07:52:08 schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: So the same old query again I guess. What architecture should I use for a machine with 3GB RAM and a 64bit processor? I believe 64bit should be given serious consideration only if RAM is gt or = 4 GB, even there 32bit is

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012, 19:34:32 schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: Is it only me or the ~amd64 branch has become really unstable in the few days? (Yeah I know ~amd64 can be unstable to any extent it wants to, but just a qualitative question) It is you. Some gnome/freedesktop/whatthehell stuff

Re: [gentoo-user] consolekit is not active in awesome.

2012-07-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Samstag, 14. Juli 2012, 19:07:09 schrieb Leiking: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-930032.html?sid=5c01cd2a5c1d5d0da75c6ac 01abf04a0 next time post something more than just some link I am way too lazy to click. Since it is not clear from your subject I have a question: are you glad and

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012, 07:52:08 schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: So the same old query again I guess. What architecture should I use for a machine with 3GB RAM and a 64bit processor? I believe 64bit

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Alecks Gates
On Jul 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: *snip* The only use case that might come up is wine - I don't know anything about that beast. Haven't had any use for it in years. -- #163933 I use wine daily on 64 bit with no problems. You can generate a 32

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Video-codecs? I haven't seen a video in years that was not playable by 64bit ffmpeg based players but worked with 32bit. SNIP Lots of wmv files won't play in 64-bit. That's the only one I have trouble

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Ángstróm Distribution: Sourcecode download?

2012-07-17 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:17:50 +0200 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, does someone know a way to download the Angstrom-Distribution and the according toolchain to build the binarie via crosscompiling on my Gentoo-system (I only found the binaries...) ? Thank you very much in advance for

[gentoo-user] Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread João Matos
Hi list. I've been using gentoo amd64 multilib for at least five year, and the system is working pretty well. But the recent discussion about 64 bit over 32 made me wonder about changing the profile to a non-multilib. So I run 'revdep-rebuild --verbose' just to check what do I have that still

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Hampicke
Video-codecs? I haven't seen a video in years that was not playable by 64bit ffmpeg based players but worked with 32bit. SNIP Lots of wmv files won't play in 64-bit. That's the only one I have trouble with. They play fine in 32-bit Gentoo. Mark, was thinking of you and your videos that

Re: [gentoo-user] Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, João Matos jaon...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list. I've been using gentoo amd64 multilib for at least five year, and the system is working pretty well. But the recent discussion about 64 bit over 32 made me wonder about changing the profile to a non-multilib. So

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Video-codecs? I haven't seen a video in years that was not playable by 64bit ffmpeg based players but worked with 32bit. SNIP Lots of wmv files won't play in 64-bit. That's the only one I have trouble with. They

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Video-codecs? I haven't seen a video in years that was not playable by 64bit ffmpeg based players but worked with 32bit. SNIP Lots of

Re: [gentoo-user] Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM, João Matos jaon...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose that I'll have no problem with wine or nvidia-drivers based on preview discussion. But how about grub, zsnes, skype or some .bin games installed

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Hampicke
And really, as I use a lot of VM's all day long, it doesn't seem overly important any more. It's trivial to just run a Windows VM to play wmv files whereas finding someone in the Linux world who actually cares about supporting and promoting the wmv format seems like a waste of my time and

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz wrote: Video-codecs? I haven't seen a video in years that was not playable by

Re: [gentoo-user] Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Hampicke
So I run 'revdep-rebuild --verbose' just to check what do I have that still depends on emul-linux-x86* and I've found: app-emulation/wine-1.4 sys-boot/grub-0.97-r10 www-plugins/google-talkplugin-2.1.7.0 x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.59 games-emulation/zsnes-1.51-r2 skype For grub you

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Michael Hampicke gentoo-u...@hadt.biz

Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP There are containers and codecs. Most containers are supported, leaving the codecs. Can you post the output of 'mplayer -identify $filename' on that file? Point me toward a samples archive and I'll post a file.

Re: [gentoo-user] Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread Dale
Michael Hampicke wrote: So I run 'revdep-rebuild --verbose' just to check what do I have that still depends on emul-linux-x86* and I've found: app-emulation/wine-1.4 sys-boot/grub-0.97-r10 www-plugins/google-talkplugin-2.1.7.0 x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-295.59 games-emulation/zsnes-1.51-r2

[gentoo-user] Re: Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/07/12 21:08, João Matos wrote: Hi list. I've been using gentoo amd64 multilib for at least five year, and the system is working pretty well. But the recent discussion about 64 bit over 32 made me wonder about changing the profile to a non-multilib. There is no advantage in

[gentoo-user] Re: 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/07/12 19:43, Alecks Gates wrote: On Jul 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: *snip* The only use case that might come up is wine - I don't know anything about that beast. Haven't had any use for it in years. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Multilib or not?

2012-07-17 Thread João Matos
well, I think I'm good with multlib. Thank you all. 2012/7/17 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com On 17/07/12 21:08, João Matos wrote: Hi list. I've been using gentoo amd64 multilib for at least five year, and the system is working pretty well. But the recent discussion about 64 bit over

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Alecks Gates
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/07/12 19:43, Alecks Gates wrote: On Jul 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: *snip* The only use case that might come up is wine - I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/07/12 19:43, Alecks Gates wrote: On Jul 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com mailto:volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: *snip* The only use case that might come up is wine - I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Ángstróm Distribution: Sourcecode download?

2012-07-17 Thread meino . cramer
Daniel Wagener st...@gmx.net [12-07-17 19:00]: On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:17:50 +0200 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, does someone know a way to download the Angstrom-Distribution and the according toolchain to build the binarie via crosscompiling on my Gentoo-system (I only found the

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Ángstróm Distribution: Sourcecode download?

2012-07-17 Thread James
meino.cramer at gmx.de writes: does someone know a way to download the Angstrom-Distribution and the according toolchain to build the binarie via crosscompiling on my Gentoo-system (I only found the binaries...) ? Thank you very much in advance for any help! You may find this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: 32bit or 64bit

2012-07-17 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Jul 18, 2012 2:52 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/07/12 19:43, Alecks Gates wrote: On Jul 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com