[gentoo-user] dev-python/pygobject-2.28.6-r52 elog message query

2013-03-27 Thread Mick
Is this in any way significant? Anything I should do about it? * Messages for package dev-python/pygobject-2.28.6-r52: * Unable to establish /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pygtk.py symlink * Unable to establish

Re: [gentoo-user] Best whois client?

2013-03-27 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 26 Mar 2013 18:57:18 Michael Mol wrote: On 03/26/2013 01:54 PM, Stroller wrote: Searching portage, I find there are quite a number of alternative whois clients. I think I have always used net-misc/whois in the past I now notice that a BSD whois is available, a generic and an

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread fantasticfears
sys-kernel/dracut ​ still requires udev, please update it. ​And what to do with udev USE flag?​ ​ On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.atwrote: Am 26.03.2013 15:57, schrieb Mike Gilbert: apcupsd-3.14.10-r1 still installs its rules into /lib/udev/rules.d ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 08:34:29AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:01:30 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Running MAKEOPTS=-j1 as default on a multi-core processor seems an awful waste of resources, unless it is needed for something else, in which case I don't run emerge at

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread gottlieb
On Tue, Mar 26 2013, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:43:25 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: It's better to limit the number of jobs to 2*CPUs (or cores) with a load control like --load-average=N where N is number of CPUs. I have two i7-3520Ms. Each has hyperthreading so counts

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this *anywhere*?? On 2013-03-27 6:32 AM, fantasticfears fantasticfe...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this *anywhere*?? Hold your horses. The devs will work

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about this

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Mar 26 2013, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:43:25 +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: It's better to limit the number of jobs to 2*CPUs (or cores) with a load control like --load-average=N where N is number of CPUs.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 27.03.2013 15:34, schrieb Michael Mol: On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going *completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Jake Margason
I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. One question though. why does everyone seem to be migrating towards systemd? How is it superior? is openrc just a dead project is that why? On

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-03-27 10:33 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going*completely* away, *totally* replaced by systemd? If so, has there been any kind of formal announcement about

[gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:46:01 -0400 Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-03-27 10:33 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Ok... So, what is this all about? Does all of this mean that udev is now going*completely* away,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 27/03/13 at 11:27am, »Q« wrote: Eventually, as I understand it, GNOME and KDE will require systemd because they want full control of they system. For people not using GNOME or KDE, other init systems will still be possible, with either udev or a udev alternative. I have no idea how far

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jake Margason jmargason...@gmail.com wrote: I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. Don't do top posting, please. One question though. why does

[gentoo-user] kmod module-init-tools + udev-171-r10

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi all, Just a question... Can I replace module-init-tools with kmod and stay with udev-171-r10 for the time being? Asked another way - is kmod fully supported by older releases of udev like 171-r10? Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] kmod module-init-tools + udev-171-r10

2013-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Hi all, Just a question... Can I replace module-init-tools with kmod and stay with udev-171-r10 for the time being? Asked another way - is kmod fully supported by older releases of udev like 171-r10? If you

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Jake Margason jmargason...@gmail.com wrote: I ran away from Arch last year to get away from all this systemd stuff. I hope that you guys will continue to support openrc for as long as possible. Don't do top

[gentoo-user] Sync, emerge -puND world, and WHAM!!! ~100 packages to merge.

2013-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Gentoo! Has anybody else seen this? I did a sync, then emerge -puND world and got a list of ~100 packages to merge. About a third of them seem to be new perl stuff, 13 packages with gnome, and a lot of this and that. Most worrying is sys-fs/udisks-2.1.0. Should I be worried about this

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 08:07:06PM +0530, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote @Walter, I'm also on a dual core machine, and as per my observation over long emerges, load doesn't cross 2.2. I have also observed that if it is limited to 2, system seems to be under utilized, because make checks the 1

[gentoo-user] git log kernel

2013-03-27 Thread shawn wilson
Is there a way I can get git to only show commits for lines that are evaluated after #ifdef, #ifndef, etc? Maybe I can preparse (strip out code) with gcc and then have some git magic to show me what I want? If I do: git log v3.8..v3.8.4 I get about a fourth of the stuff that I don't care about.

[gentoo-user] Re: Sync, emerge -puND world, and WHAM!!! ~100 packages to merge.

2013-03-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-03-27, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Has anybody else seen this? I did a sync, then emerge -puND world and got a list of ~100 packages to merge. About a third of them seem to be new perl stuff, 13 packages with gnome, and a lot of this and that. When that happened to me, it was

Re: [gentoo-user] Sync, emerge -puND world, and WHAM!!! ~100 packages to merge.

2013-03-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Gentoo! Has anybody else seen this? I did a sync, then emerge -puND world and got a list of ~100 packages to merge. About a third of them seem to be new perl stuff, 13 packages with gnome, and a lot of this and that.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 26.03.2013 22:40, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 21:58:29 +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote: I havent't had any failed builds that were related to the --jobs option. The only exception is when rebuilding my kernel modules. I have to build spl first, then zfs-kmod. But that's

[gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:33:05 +0530 Yohan Pereira yohan.pere...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/03/13 at 11:27am, »Q« wrote: Eventually, as I understand it, GNOME and KDE will require systemd because they want full control of they system. For people not using GNOME or KDE, other init systems will

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
From a technical point of view (the quality of the code and the time it takes to fix bugs), I believe everyone (even Lennart's most fervent detractors) will agree that systemd is a superb piece of software. The problem is the philosophy behind it; if you agree with said philosophy, systemd is

Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 27/03/13 at 11:27am, »Q« wrote: Eventually, as I understand it, GNOME and KDE will require systemd because they want full control of they system. For people not using GNOME or KDE, other init systems will still be possible, with either udev or a udev alternative. I have no idea how

[gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-03-27, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The real drive behind systemd is enterprise cloud type computing for Red Hat. The rest is snake oil and much of the features already exist without systemd. With more snake oil of promises of faster boot up on a portion of the code

Re: [gentoo-user] udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-03-27 3:43 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The real drive behind systemd is enterprise cloud type computing for Red Hat. I'd be interested in hearing more on this... Link(s) to online articles is fine...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 04:00 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-27, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The real drive behind systemd is enterprise cloud type computing for Red Hat. The rest is snake oil and much of the features already exist without systemd. With more snake oil of promises

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-03-27 4:41 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/27/2013 04:00 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-27, Kevin Chadwickma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The real drive behind systemd is enterprise cloud type computing for Red Hat. The rest is snake oil and much of the features

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/03/2013 22:41, Michael Mol wrote: The case for systemd is twofold: ... 2) Reduce the amount of CPU and RAM consumed when you're talking about booting tens of thousands of instances simultaneously across your entire infrastructure, or when your server instance might be spun up and down

[gentoo-user] user folder in path when mounting

2013-03-27 Thread Grant
I've been mounting my external HD in thunar. When I clicked the device icon, the HD was mounted to /media/VOLUME_LABEL/. Now I see the path has changed to /run/media/grant/VOLUME_LABEL/ and the grant folder is: drwxr-x---+ 3 root root which I think is preventing my automated remote backups

Re: [gentoo-user] Best whois client?

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/27/2013 06:08 AM, Mick wrote: Like Stroller I've been using net-misc/whois for ever and it does what I want, but don't know what the other packages may be able to do/do better. I would also be interested to find out why people prefer

Re: [gentoo-user] Is 'MAKEOPTS=--jobs --load-average=5' silly?

2013-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:54:39 +0100, Michael Hampicke wrote: emerge @module-rebuild seems to work just fine on my machine. Thx for the tip, I did not know of this @set @x11-module-rebuild is worth knowing about too :) -- Neil Bothwick Fine day for a good workout. Steal something heavy.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/27/2013 05:51 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/03/2013 22:41, Michael Mol wrote: The case for systemd is twofold: ... 2) Reduce the amount of CPU and RAM consumed when you're talking about booting tens of thousands of instances simultaneously across your entire infrastructure, or

Re: [gentoo-user] Best whois client?

2013-03-27 Thread Kevin Brandstatter
from eix, it says that jwhois can do recursive queries whatever that means. -Kevin On 03/27/2013 06:37 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 03/27/2013 06:08 AM, Mick wrote: Like Stroller I've been using net-misc/whois for ever and it does what I want, but don't know what the other packages may

[gentoo-user] Re: udev blocks systemd etc

2013-03-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-03-27, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: The case for systemd is twofold: 1) Boot-to-desktop session management by one tool. Ah, the old universal generic tool approach. I've seen a lot of money and time poured into black-hole projects with names containing words like universal