Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-23 Thread thegeezer
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: OK so because of how much time has been spent arguing about systemd with little technical content, i've spent some time on the freedesktop site reading Lennart's blog and also going through the source to find answers to my

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 01:32:36AM +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote: Am Samstag, 22.02.2014 um 21:15 What do I have to do to get this thing emerged? Thanks! Sometimes it is helpful to increase the backtrack value. Some weeks ago I had a similar problem and could I solve it with emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alan. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:06:15AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Mick. On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:32:42PM +, Mick wrote: On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 22:06:15 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 22/02/2014 23:15, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. I've just tried an emerge -puND world, after a shockingly long interval. I got the error message: !!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Monday 17 Feb 2014 07:01:53 Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: 17.02.2014 00:19, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote: [ snip ] Isn't there too many if you believe and if you agree? A church of systemd? ;) As I said to

[gentoo-user] Compiles take much longer than in the past

2014-02-23 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Hey list, I'm observing on this olde Centrino laptop that emerges take much, much longer for certain packages than they did in the past. There was a bigger update on 25. Jan (the first since 20. Oct) and another one on 22. Feb. Examples can be found at the bottom, they show increases from 15 to

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info message? Perhaps post the entire emerge output. I tried it again without the -p, and got the same output. I think this is a portage bug. At the very least, it's poor

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Alan. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info message? Perhaps post the entire emerge output. I tried it again without the -p, and got the same

[gentoo-user] libpng slot usage

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
Hello, I am trying to compile fltk-1.1.10 both using an ebuild from [1] and with just the downloaded source. I think this version needs libpng 1.2 which is installed in one of the slots. Using the source code and cmake with FLTK_USE_SYSTEM_PNG off it complies fine. I can see that it

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 18:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Alan. On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 14:13, Alan Mackenzie wrote: - are you sure that's an emerge failure and not just a convoluted info message? Perhaps post the entire emerge output. I tried

[gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the next dependency tree: banshee -

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
Mick, You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? Please trim your posts. On 2014-02-22 6:32 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 22:06:15 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 22/02/2014

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 17:25:18 Tanstaafl wrote: Mick, You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? Please trim your posts. Sorry for this, I wasn't being lazy. I usually do trim my posts, except for

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-02-23 12:42 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 17:25:18 Tanstaafl wrote: You do realize that blind bottom posting is far WORSE than blind top-posting (done here intentionally to make a point), don't you? Please trim your posts. Sorry for this, I wasn't

Re: [gentoo-user] technical review of systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:06 AM, thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: [ snip ] Corrupt filesystems or logs? logs. currently if fsck runs anywhere on boot i get zero log about what was done, so i prefer to do this on a running system. / is obviously special, so this is a pro that fsck is logged,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [ snip ] I am not sure if people object to the Lennart-way of messing up Linux, under the blessings of RHL, or if they just don't like the immediate outcome. Actually, most people that actually *try* using systemd and reads

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Kerem Gülver
I remember having past a similar problem by this steps: unmerge it. try to update and write the offered package choices on corresponding files, i.e: *.mask/use. update it with --newuse option. Doesn't work, try first installing the aforementioned package and then update. It's actually not a bug,

[gentoo-user] Re: flashcards?

2014-02-23 Thread James
Edward M edwardm.gentoo.java at live.com writes: I'm looking for an application to create flashcards for study. Hello, You may want to take a look at anki. app-misc/anki Thanks, I'll give it a test drive James

[gentoo-user] Re: Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Jonathan Callen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Alan, The easiest method may be to parse the error given: On 02/23/2014 07:13 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: ### !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow the*nix design principles, but being modern and with the same features (all of them optional, of course) of systemd will have more chances; although I

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple package instances ..... Help me understand this emerge error, please.

2014-02-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:59:14 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Personally, I think portage has gone too far and the complex solutions are causing problems that are worse than what they attempt to solve. Amzing solutions (like sub-slots) aren't really much use in the real world if the package

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Fox
On 02/23/2014 07:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow the*nix design principles, but being modern and with the same features (all

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mick
On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow the*nix design principles, but being modern and with the same features (all of them optional, of

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [ snip ] Well, I'm no authority on this since I can't code, My point exactly. but here's a starter for 10: http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html Funny you mention this; the second definition is by Robert Pike,

[gentoo-user] Re: libpng slot usage

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:54:07 +0100, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am trying to compile fltk-1.1.10 both using an ebuild from [1] and with just the downloaded source. I think this version needs libpng 1.2 which is installed in one of the slots. Using the source code and cmake

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/02/2014 01:12, Mick wrote: On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow the*nix design principles, but being modern and with the same

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd. Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd.

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially giving them message stuff it, I'm not dealing with this. You called me, you fix it. The

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread eroen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially giving them message

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

2014-02-23 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote: On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox halfsocial...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/02/2014 01:12, Mick wrote: On Sunday 23 Feb 2014 22:32:32 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Poison BL.
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 03:07:09AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the point

[gentoo-user] RAID 1 vs RAID 0 - Read perfonmance

2014-02-23 Thread Facundo Curti
Hi. I am again, with a similar question to previous. I want to install RAID on SSD's. Comparing THEORETICALLY, RAID0 (stripe) vs RAID1 (mirrior). The performance would be something like this: n= number of disks reads: raid1: n*2 raid0: n*2 writes: raid1: n raid0: n*2 But, in real

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
24.02.2014 05:07, Alan McKinnon wrote: [ ...] We don't do error handling. We don't even try and deal with it at the point it occurred, we just chuck it back up the stack, essentially giving them message stuff it, I'm not dealing with this. You called me, you fix it. Doesn't sound like good

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

2014-02-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
24.02.2014 02:32, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 23/02/2014 20:18, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I don't think forking would attract much developers. Writing something new trying to follow the*nix design principles, but being modern and with the same features (all of them optional, of course) of systemd

Re: [gentoo-user] RAID 1 vs RAID 0 - Read perfonmance

2014-02-23 Thread Kerin Millar
On 24/02/2014 06:27, Facundo Curti wrote: Hi. I am again, with a similar question to previous. I want to install RAID on SSD's. Comparing THEORETICALLY, RAID0 (stripe) vs RAID1 (mirrior). The performance would be something like this: n= number of disks reads: raid1: n*2 raid0: n*2