Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Edward M
On 07/29/14 11:18, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:00:26PM -0700, Edward MN wrote: On 07/26/14 15:55, walt wrote: On 07/26/2014 10:39 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [894019.770058] [Hardware Error]: MC4 Error (node 0): DRAM ECC error detected on the NB. […] and this, my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 11:14, schrieb Edward M: On 07/29/14 11:18, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:00:26PM -0700, Edward MN wrote: On 07/26/14 15:55, walt wrote: On 07/26/2014 10:39 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: [894019.770058] [Hardware Error]: MC4 Error (node 0): DRAM ECC

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 11:14, schrieb Edward M: I just went to Alternate, clicked on their cheapest ASUS Am3 board: ECC yes. See? Easy.

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Dale
Philip Webb wrote: 140730 behrouz khosravi wrote: Now it is obvious English is not my mother tongue! I suspect that may be true of a majority of Gentooers : we're all used to interpreting others' words trying to be careful to be clear when we do know English well. English is the only

[gentoo-user] Ideapad-laptop

2014-07-30 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
So I got a new Lenovo G50. I found all the required drivers in kernel itself. Seems to be quite Linux friendly so far (not installed desktop yet). There's one problem though. The kernel module ideapad-laptop which apparently recognizes the hotkey stuff, backlight and some other things doesn't let

Re: [gentoo-user] Ideapad-laptop

2014-07-30 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 30 Jul 2014 11:53:25 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: So I got a new Lenovo G50. I found all the required drivers in kernel itself. Seems to be quite Linux friendly so far (not installed desktop yet). There's one problem though. The kernel module ideapad-laptop which apparently

Re: [gentoo-user] Ideapad-laptop

2014-07-30 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On 30-Jul-2014 4:30 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 30 Jul 2014 11:53:25 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: So I got a new Lenovo G50. I found all the required drivers in kernel itself. Seems to be quite Linux friendly so far (not installed desktop yet). There's one

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: pretty easy actually. When I looked for ECC support, ALL Asus boards supported it officially - and a whole bunch of Gigabyte boards according to their forums. Interesting, the Gigabyte board I'm using

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 July 2014 05:37:08 Dale wrote: English is the only language I know and even I mess it up at times. Yes, but then you are American ;) -- Regards Peter

[gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread James
behrouz khosravi bz.khosravi at gmail.com writes: Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org wrote: In my make.conf I have... USE_BASE=-* a52 aac bzip2 cxx fortran ncurses netifrc nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive openssl posix readline ssl threads vim-syntax zlib USE_CPU=mmx mmxext sse

[gentoo-user] Re: a question about updating process

2014-07-30 Thread James
behrouz khosravi bz.khosravi at gmail.com writes: I guess I got it know ! And I must say that the way Gentoo is working now, is simple, no doubts. If you are really interested in using GIT with gentoo, then read up on overlays and layman layman -L shows experimental and code_hacks in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:30 + (UTC), James wrote: YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely avoiding bloat_ware_city Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :) But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal collection of flags. Python is CRITICAL on gentoo, so ask

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 13:25, schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: pretty easy actually. When I looked for ECC support, ALL Asus boards supported it officially - and a whole bunch of Gigabyte boards according to their forums.

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2014 05:37:08 Dale wrote: English is the only language I know and even I mess it up at times. Yes, but then you are American ;) True but sometimes, I suck at it. For the record, I am bad to leave the word not or n't out. Talk about a monumental

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 29.07.2014 19:04, schrieb behrouz khosravi: Hello everyone. I just concurred my fear and jumped to installing gentoo! So far so good! Before installing on my laptop and desktop, I am trying on virtual box and the system is running Fluxbox very good.(default profile) Now I am thinking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 17:02, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:30 + (UTC), James wrote: YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely avoiding bloat_ware_city Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :) But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal collection of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread behrouz khosravi
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:37 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: ... Thanks for your advice. They were surely helpful. http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/ (Sven is a great human! He not only overseas much of the documentation, he one of the SeLinux folks, should you venture into those

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use is in a lot of cases neither small, nor not bloated. Usually it comes from the same

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/29/14 21:04, behrouz khosravi wrote: | Hello everyone. I just concurred my fear and jumped to installing | gentoo! So far so good! Before installing on my laptop and | desktop, I am trying on virtual box and the system is running | Fluxbox

Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/07/2014 19:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 29.07.2014 19:04, schrieb behrouz khosravi: Hello everyone. I just concurred my fear and jumped to installing gentoo! So far so good! Before installing on my laptop and desktop, I am trying on virtual box and the system is running Fluxbox

[gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread James
behrouz khosravi bz.khosravi at gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:37 PM, James wireless at tampabay.rr.com wrote: Thanks for your advice. They were surely helpful. My pleasure. This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the times seldomly realize

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:02:11 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely avoiding bloat_ware_city Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :) But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal collection of flags. Python is CRITICAL on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ECC-ram, it is worth it.

2014-07-30 Thread Edward M
On 07/30/14 03:16, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 30.07.2014 11:14, schrieb Edward M: I just went to Alternate, clicked on their cheapest ASUS Am3 board: ECC yes. See? Easy. Yes, easy. I looked at many Asus boards and they do mention ECC in the Specs page. I stand corrected. Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: a question about updating process

2014-07-30 Thread behrouz khosravi
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:12 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Sorry for being blunt, but you just do not realize just how rediculous this line of reasoning/questioning is? Well, honestly I don't blame myself! I am new to the Linux (FOSS) world and I don't know very much about it. After

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/07/2014 20:56, James wrote: Usually it comes from the same headspace that ricing comes from. Wow, dude! a serious compliment from one of my many heros! Do remember that my knowledge of ricing comes from the very coolest and early vintige motorcycles: The word ricing has a fine

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: Small software can be bloated, large software can be bloat-free. It's all about what is useful. functional != bloated, but all too often lightweight, bloat free software can also be described as limited or functionally challenged. That is true. Some code can be really

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 30 July 2014 20:26:48 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use is in a lot of cases neither small, nor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles* the running speed, dude! It does! I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster on my new machine compared to my old one ;) aaah a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale: Neil Bothwick wrote: Small software can be bloated, large software can be bloat-free. It's all about what is useful. functional != bloated, but all too often lightweight, bloat free software can also be described as limited or functionally challenged.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/07/2014 22:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles* the running speed, dude! It does! I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster on my new

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.07.2014 22:43, schrieb Alan McKinnon: On 30/07/2014 22:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles* the running speed, dude! It does! I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and maybe you did exactly the wrong thing. KDE is very modular and reuses its modules as much as it can. Which also means: memory is only used once. There were once a very good (in my not so humble opinion. It think very highly of myself) comparism here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote: The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot since tho. Even on my old rig which had 3GBs of ram and

[gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Mick
Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') emerge -uD1a $(qlist -IC 'virtual/perl-*') as advised by perl-cleaner, before I ran perl-cleaner successfully. Following all this depclean give me a

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/07/2014 23:47, Mick wrote: Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') emerge -uD1a $(qlist -IC 'virtual/perl-*') as advised by perl-cleaner, before I ran perl-cleaner

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Kerin Millar
On 30/07/2014 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/07/2014 23:47, Mick wrote: Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') emerge -uD1a $(qlist -IC 'virtual/perl-*') as advised by perl-cleaner,

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 30 Jul 2014 23:02:38 Kerin Millar wrote: On 30/07/2014 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/07/2014 23:47, Mick wrote: Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] resolv.conf is different after every reboot

2014-07-30 Thread Kerin Millar
On 28/07/2014 16:34, Grand Duet wrote: 2014-07-28 1:00 GMT+03:00 Kerin Millar kerfra...@fastmail.co.uk: On 27/07/2014 21:38, Grand Duet wrote: 2014-07-27 22:13 GMT+03:00 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:33:47 +0300, Grand Duet wrote: That's what replaces it when

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Kerin Millar
On 30/07/2014 23:12, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 30 Jul 2014 23:02:38 Kerin Millar wrote: On 30/07/2014 22:58, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/07/2014 23:47, Mick wrote: Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On 31/07/14 04:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles* the running speed, dude! It does! I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster on my new machine

Re: [gentoo-user] a question about updating process

2014-07-30 Thread Stroller
On Wed, 30 July 2014, at 3:42 pm, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Gentoo … I really like it ! Are you kidding? Really? ... you just do not realize just how rediculous this line of reasoning/questioning is? I think you must have misunderstood. Stroller.

[gentoo-user] Cant compile Openvz sources

2014-07-30 Thread Facundo Curti
Hi all! :D I'm having troubles to compile the openvz kernel :( I tryed making the config by my self, making it with make x86_64_defconfig , and using this: http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/rhel6-2.6.32/042stab053.5/configs/config-2.6.32-042stab053.5.x86_64 config file. (The official

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote: The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot since tho. Even on my old rig which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale: While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else. and maybe you did exactly the wrong

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 31.07.2014 02:26, schrieb Dale: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote: The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 31.07.2014 03:55, schrieb Walter Dnes: On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale: While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else.

Re: [gentoo-user] Arrh - my KDE look has disappeared

2014-07-30 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 29/07/2014 3:09 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 11:47:55 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: Fired up the 'puter last night and instead of a backdrop showing the dog doing something stupid, a task bar, the start button thingy, and a few other bits and pieces, I had the default

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USE flags handling

2014-07-30 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
okular is not a 'stinking pdf reader'. Nice try. But just like konqueror it is just a wrapper around kparts and is able to deal with a lot more files than just pdf and postscript. That is what 'modular' and 'code reuse' really means. And the opposite to what gnome does. 'oh, there is an

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 30 July 2014 23:47:19 CEST, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Having updated some perl packages, I ran perl-cleaner which failed with some blockers, I ran: emerge --deselect --ask $(qlist -IC 'perl-core/*') emerge -uD1a $(qlist -IC 'virtual/perl-*') as advised by perl-cleaner, before I

Re: [gentoo-user] depclean wants to remove all perl?

2014-07-30 Thread Mick
On Thursday 31 Jul 2014 06:14:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: I always check the list from depclean to see if there is any package and/or version that I am actually using. If yes, I add it to the world file. (Emerge --noreplace) I don't add packages to my world file, let alone specific versions,