Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 05 April 2015 21:05:15 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 19:03:43 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Sunday 05 April 2015 18:29:05 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Do you see anything that is actually broken? Apart from perl-cleaner and portage? Emerge exiting silently

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, April 03, 2015 8:52:18 AM Stroller wrote: On Thu, 2 April 2015, at 4:37 pm, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer it this way. I do not want all the nice easy-to read/edit configuration stuff in /etc/portage encrypted some Windows Registry break-alike.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 05 April 2015 12:24:20 Mick wrote: ---8 and then portage proceeds in emerging them. So something must not be right with your circumstances, but I am not sure what ... It has me scratching my head too. Thanks for the report. -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-04-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:41:12 +0200, lee wrote: On Linux now there's the Magic SysRq Key feature for that. I always can't remember which keys to press with that, so I have it disabled. BUSIER backwards.

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 07:21:01 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: It's like being a teenager again, the longer you leave tidying your room, the longer it takes when your mum makes you do it :) Don't want to harp on it, but I almost never have to clean my world file, and when I do I don't need

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Or leave /etc/portage full of cruft and crap and fix any problem it may cause later on, when you have even less time ;-) Hmm, have an hour of free time now, at the cost of maybe having an hour less of free time a year

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Mick
On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 10:50:53 Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, Today's routine update included dev-lang/perl-5.20.2 and two perl virtuals. Since emerging those portage has stopped working: perl-cleaner gives it a list of 71 packages to emerge but portage does nothing with them - it just

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 05/04/2015 11:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, Today's routine update included dev-lang/perl-5.20.2 and two perl virtuals. Since emerging those portage has stopped working: perl-cleaner gives it a list of 71 packages to emerge but portage does nothing with them - it just exits

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 06:39:31 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 04 Apr 2015 20:35:31 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: My portage summary logs don't

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Mick
On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 14:19:16 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 06:39:31 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 04 Apr 2015 20:35:31

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-04-05 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:41:12 +0200, lee wrote: On Linux now there's the Magic SysRq Key feature for that. I always can't remember which keys to press with that, so I have it disabled.

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: It's like being a teenager again, the longer you leave tidying your room, the longer it takes when your mum makes you do it :) Don't want to harp on it, but I almost never have to clean my world file, and when I do I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 04:41:33 -0500, Dale wrote: I got into that situation once, you just need to bite the bullet and work through the output. It's not as bad as it looks as the same entry can cause multiple reports, so once you clean up a couple of entries the output can get significantly

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On 5 April 2015 14:27:27 BST, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: Or leave /etc/portage full of cruft and crap and fix any problem it may cause later on, when you have even less time ;-) Hmm, have an hour of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to poweroff the system from user?

2015-04-05 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:41:12 +0200, lee wrote: On Linux now there's the Magic SysRq Key feature for that. I always can't remember which keys to press with that, so I have it disabled. BUSIER backwards. And when the keyboard is unresponsive, it won't work. It usually

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 02:24:13 -0500, Dale wrote: It seems you can't win with that thing. LOL You can win, by running it reasonably often and actually doing something about the output. Ignore a few lines and they soon become a few more, and then a few more still... Thing is, it seems

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 07:33:06 -0500, Dale wrote: eix-test-obsolete Many thanks, it certainly seems to. It seems to do a bit more besides, unruly in its verboseness, but I won't bother trying to interpret the rest of its output. It's one reason I don't use it much.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Mick
On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 06:39:31 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 04 Apr 2015 20:35:31 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: My portage summary logs don't seem to be rotated any more. ls -lt `pwd`/summary.log* -rw-rw-r-- 1

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer

2015-04-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 00:52:30 -0400, Boricua Siempre wrote: Geentoo power first quantum super computer in 2101 and power all galactic cofederation computers. It was first supercomputer to crack secret of time travel in 2307 and become self conchious in 2402. Add this to

Re: [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 02:24:13 -0500, Dale wrote: It seems you can't win with that thing. LOL You can win, by running it reasonably often and actually doing something about the output. Ignore a few lines and they soon become a few more, and then a few more still...

[gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list, Today's routine update included dev-lang/perl-5.20.2 and two perl virtuals. Since emerging those portage has stopped working: perl-cleaner gives it a list of 71 packages to emerge but portage does nothing with them - it just exits silently. Then perl-cleaner lists some hundreds of

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Mick
On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 16:31:43 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: I guess I have to figure out what the error message shown below is all about: 501 Not authorised --- Reply not authenticated This is most likely chrony: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/289231 If logrotate works as

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Alex Corkwell i.am.the.mem...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:31:43PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 14:19:16 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun,

Re: [gentoo-user] amavisd: running or not running???

2015-04-05 Thread Urs Schütz
On 04/05/15 14:57, Jarry wrote: Hi Gentoo-users, I have this strange problem: I can not start amavisd because it is running, and at the same time I can not stop amavisd because it is not running. How's that possible? vs4 ~ # /etc/init.d/amavisd start * WARNING: amavisd has already been

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
log needs rotating considering log /var/log/chrony/statistics.log log needs rotating considering log /var/log/chrony/tracking.log log needs rotating rotating log /var/log/chrony/measurements.log, log-rotateCount is 4 dateext suffix '-20150405' glob pattern '-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 11:50:53 schrieb Peter Humphrey: Hello list, Today's routine update included dev-lang/perl-5.20.2 and two perl virtuals. Since emerging those portage has stopped working: perl-cleaner gives it a list of 71 packages

Re: [gentoo-user] portage summary logs not rotated any more

2015-04-05 Thread Alex Corkwell
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:31:43PM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 14:19:16 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: An observation

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 05 April 2015 13:44:25 Alan McKinnon wrote: When I occasionally run into bizarre weirdness like this, I usually wait one hour, re-sync and try again. If it still fails, then go looking further. Significant updates to the CVS tree are not atomic and every now and then you can do a

[gentoo-user] amavisd: running or not running???

2015-04-05 Thread Jarry
Hi Gentoo-users, I have this strange problem: I can not start amavisd because it is running, and at the same time I can not stop amavisd because it is not running. How's that possible? vs4 ~ # /etc/init.d/amavisd start * WARNING: amavisd has already been started vs4 ~ # /etc/init.d/amavisd

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 05 April 2015 18:29:05 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Do you see anything that is actually broken? Apart from perl-cleaner and portage? Emerge exiting silently after being given a list of packages to emerge doesn't exactly seem like normal behaviour to me. It was told emerge -v1 ...[list

Re: [gentoo-user] Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 19:03:43 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Sunday 05 April 2015 18:29:05 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Do you see anything that is actually broken? Apart from perl-cleaner and portage? Emerge exiting silently after being

[gentoo-user] Re: Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Martin Vaeth
Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Minor updates (5.x.y - 5.x.y+1) do not need any rebuilds or reinstallations of modules. This is at most partially correct: At least, after the update, the install directories change; here from /usr/lib/perl5/{vendor_perl,}/5.20.1 to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is perl broken?

2015-04-05 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 21:53:35 schrieb Martin Vaeth: Moreover, I didn't check before the rebuild, but after the rebuild there is no 5.20.1 in @INC. (So it might be even the case that the rebuild is *necessary*). Sure about this?

[gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to full multilib

2015-04-05 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: I think we need to get away from solutions that clutter up configuration in the first place. I'm not under any illusions that this will ever be perfect, but I do think we can do better. Amen. Agreed, but this is about managing the options we